FC/OT: Sarkisian says firing of prominent college football coach has him worried for the health of the sport.

Nittering Nabob

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You had your facts wrong. It wasn’t a raise.
It technically was.

BGJ asked for an acceleration of compensation wherein $$ got moved forward in the remaining term of his contract in lieu of lower $$ later.

I don’t expect you to understand the concept of the present value of money.
 

PSUHarry

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It technically was.

BGJ asked for an acceleration of compensation wherein $$ got moved forward in the remaining term of his contract in lieu of lower $$ later.

I don’t expect you to understand the concept of the present value of money.

It technically was.

BGJ asked for an acceleration of compensation wherein $$ got moved forward in the remaining term of his contract in lieu of lower $$ later.

I don’t expect you to understand the concept of the present value of money.
Payment terms and a raise are to different things. Words are important.

Perhaps you never got a raise so you don’t know. Hoping ignorance is bliss for you.
 

TheBigUglies

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His agent is Jimmy Sexton, same as BGJ and Saban, so no need to take his comments serious. Anyone who seems to defend BGJ and speak out against his firing has Sexton as an agent. Nothing to see here just a bunch on pinheads trying to manipulate news and tell you how you should think.
 

Ludd

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The "adults" were in charge. They offered opportunities to participate in collegiate sports to their students. They formed the teams, the conferences, the other associations. They governed it all. They saw the opportunity for a pay day, and they took it. Oh boy, did they take it. They milked every last drop of money they could from these kids ... and they rewarded them with the realistic opportunity to get a sociology degree for their efforts. They had every chance to, at any point in time, make the game less "professional" and focus on the academic/amateur aspects of the student-athlete. Because there was money to be had, they did the opposite of that. They had every chance to head off any compensation/rights disputes by setting things up properly, and addressing the needs and concerns of the players. They had all the power. Instead, they kept the money-making machine humming, and kept biggering, and biggering, and biggering. They set the system up like they did, because it was the most convenient for them to produce maximum revenue for themselves, while restricting the rights of the people who actually gave the product its entertainment value.

So, when the players finally stand up for themselves, and there's absolutely no structure in place to address their issues, leading to a complete wild west situation ... it's the PLAYERS' fault?!?

Holy crap.

Just when I think I can't be any more surprised by how myopic and just plain wrong-minded people can be, they can still let me down.
You’re describing how all businesses work. The “adults” start the business, set the rules, decide how it will be run, and if it’s successful, they make a lot of money while the workers make a lot less money. It’s called the real world. But I get it, the caring people are only outraged by athletes who spend three to four years playing a game they choose to play.
 

Ludd

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I count 94. We were told we would be humbled when we joined the BIG. Instead in our second year we destroyed this conference and could have scored 80 in multiple games. At scum we were poised to go up 17-0 but a phantom holding call held us down.
I've never seen an offense like our 94 team before or since and if Joe kept the pedal to the floor the numbers would have been staggering. And in retrospect he should have because in the end we got F-ed.
Kijana could have had 2500 plus yards but he didn't play the second half of most games. We slaughtered USC 35-0 at the half and Kijana didn't see the field in the second half except for perhaps a series.
And since then we’ve been humbled, so they weren’t far off.
 

BCS PSU

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And since then we’ve been humbled, so they weren’t far off.
Let's face it. For PSU to even play for a NC now let alone win one, a lot of things are going to have go right, which almost happened in 2024. That doesn't mean that PSU can't be an extremely successful program and make the playoffs on a regular basis, which it should just based on resources. However, if you're in it for NCs, then you probably should root for another team other than PSU. By the way, the greatest name in college football history, ND, hasn't won a NC since 1988, although they have played for at least two since then.
 
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Moogy

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You’re describing how all businesses work. The “adults” start the business, set the rules, decide how it will be run, and if it’s successful, they make a lot of money while the workers make a lot less money. It’s called the real world. But I get it, the caring people are only outraged by athletes who spend three to four years playing a game they choose to play.

That's great, but your post was completely irrelevant.

The topic was blame for the current state of things. Midnighter suggested it would be the kids' fault. And that was monumentally stupid. I highlighted how stupid that was by walking through how this entire thing is the adults' responsibility. And your response was to say "oh yeah, well that's how it's done, so there!" Oy. Brilliant.
 

PSUForever

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All the BGJ jock sniffers on this thread are so butt hurt by Tengwall's comments but his comments are spot on. Just think about the UCLA game last year, a complete and utter embarrassment to the university.
 
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Midnighter

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Go State beat eastern washington


 

Marshall2323

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Can I ask you a serious question, because you seem to have a hang-up with how many ISU transfers are on the current roster. What did you expect Campbell to do based on the fact that he only became head coach in early December? A lot of his ISU players always were going to follow him to PSU. In fact, any coach whom PSU had hired always was going to attract a large number of his players from his previous school because it was a neccessity.

If PSU had hired the JMU coach, would you be saying Go Dukes, Beat Buffalo, because he would've brought a lot of his players with him? It's become a tiresome mantra.
Under the circumstances, I didn't expect anything. My "tireless mantra" is actually my commentary on
"college football." I don't see how any individual can Identify with a "college" squad that has 40% of their players who are singing the "alma mater" one place and put their hands over their heart at another a few months later.
As I opined after the dismissal of Franklin. "WE ARE" just like everyone else. It's all so mercenary.
While this sort of business has become common with the inception of "NIL" and the transfer portal.....I didn't feel it as much as a PSU fan who attended his first game in 1966. To me that net result of 2025 was the realization that PSU simply joined the not so exclusive club. Just because that's the way the "business is now" doesn't mean I have to embrace it.
So while I am labeled here anti Campbell or anti PSU....this sentiment is just lamenting the death of the college game I once enjoyed.
It's "minor league" football with no boundaries or loyalties with the exception of the highe$t bidder.
That's why PSU's future is unlikely to be "success at the highest level" as PSU is barely in the top 12-15 in the thickness of it's NIL wallet.
 

Marshall2323

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He didn't request a raise. He wanted changes to payment terms.
It's easier to go with the Pat Kraft generated myth. Fanboys love the mental image of CJF "sneaking" behind Kraft's back to beg for crumbs. Also, overlooked is that these sorts of financial relationships are never face to face, but rather business-like exchanges handled by agents. It's like the fairy tale that "we gave Franklin everything last year." You won't find PSU NIL on the top 5 or likely top 10 anywhere. What "we" gave Franklin or rather what he primarily fought for, were better dorms, upgrades at Lasch, removing tedious and unnecessary red tape in the application process for transfers and commits and larger salary pools for staff and assistant coaches. Damn him for that! PSU had 4 scholarship OL when he got here and the program overall was lacking compared to schools PSU recruited against. People here don't like to be confused with the facts. We deserve better! LOL
 

Marshall2323

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Can I ask you a serious question, because you seem to have a hang-up with how many ISU transfers are on the current roster. What did you expect Campbell to do based on the fact that he only became head coach in early December? A lot of his ISU players always were going to follow him to PSU. In fact, any coach whom PSU had hired always was going to attract a large number of his players from his previous school because it was a neccessity.

If PSU had hired the JMU coach, would you be saying Go Dukes, Beat Buffalo, because he would've brought a lot of his players with him? It's become a tiresome mantra.
Actually, since you brought up JMU....I think long term PSU may regret not hiring Bob Chesney. That was another coaching "search" Kraft mishandled. Being a coal region product with a solid Pa. foundation would have played well and generated a different level of excitement and buy in IMO.
 
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Marshall2323

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Can I ask you a serious question, because you seem to have a hang-up with how many ISU transfers are on the current roster. What did you expect Campbell to do based on the fact that he only became head coach in early December? A lot of his ISU players always were going to follow him to PSU. In fact, any coach whom PSU had hired always was going to attract a large number of his players from his previous school because it was a neccessity.

If PSU had hired the JMU coach, would you be saying Go Dukes, Beat Buffalo, because he would've brought a lot of his players with him? It's become a tiresome mantra.
Let me attempt to provide an analogy. Many years ago, for about a 3 year stretch, the conference I coached in decided to have an "exceptional senior" contest after the season. They divided the conference schools into east and west and that determined the game roster. The coaches with the best season records received the "honor" of coaching another week without compensation. The roster I was given won both games I served in as the HC. I enjoyed seeing how other athletes were accustomed to preparing in a week of practice and enjoyed the relationships. As far as any satisfaction over winning those contests with a revolving door roster? None.
 

PSU87

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I count 94. We were told we would be humbled when we joined the BIG. Instead in our second year we destroyed this conference and could have scored 80 in multiple games. At scum we were poised to go up 17-0 but a phantom holding call held us down.
I've never seen an offense like our 94 team before or since and if Joe kept the pedal to the floor the numbers would have been staggering. And in retrospect he should have because in the end we got F-ed.
Kijana could have had 2500 plus yards but he didn't play the second half of most games. We slaughtered USC 35-0 at the half and Kijana didn't see the field in the second half except for perhaps a series.
You'll have to forgive the Franklin Fan Club. They will minimize Joe's accomplishments any chance they get to make Franklin look better.
 

Ludd

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That's great, but your post was completely irrelevant.

The topic was blame for the current state of things. Midnighter suggested it would be the kids' fault. And that was monumentally stupid. I highlighted how stupid that was by walking through how this entire thing is the adults' responsibility. And your response was to say "oh yeah, well that's how it's done, so there!" Oy. Brilliant.
That’s exactly how it’s done. People bitching about how much colleges make and how much coaches make while the poor athletes got nothing are the problem. So did the adults bring the lawsuit that started all this or was it a former player? Was it the adults that filed the lawsuits every time someone wanted to transfer schools and not sit out or was it the players?
 

Moogy

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That’s exactly how it’s done. People bitching about how much colleges make and how much coaches make while the poor athletes got nothing are the problem. So did the adults bring the lawsuit that started all this or was it a former player? Was it the adults that filed the lawsuits every time someone wanted to transfer schools and not sit out or was it the players?

I weep for humanity.

Your first post was saying that this is how businesses work. That those who set up the businesses are the ones that set up the businesses. No der ... but completely irrelevant. Now you're moving on to victim blaming. Yikes.

So, when someone is raped, and the victim comes forward, and the rapist's life is ruined (and others' lives damaged, as well), do you say "the victim is to blame for lives being ruined! Did the rapist report the crime?"?

Yes, the adults set up the business model so that a lawsuit by a former player would be successful. The adults set up the business model so that lawsuits would be successful "every time someone wanted to transfer schools and not sit out."

Again, the "adults" (and I use that term loosely, as they were more like immature money-grubbing children) had every opportunity to set up their business model in a way that avoided these issues ... and, at every turn, they decided, instead, to go after the money, whether or not it exploited those doing the bulk of the work and providing the entertainment value. So now you blame the kids that are going after their rights ... and not the "adults" that set up this extremely flawed system and had no plan to deal with any blowback.

That's completely messed up. And it doesn't matter in the least if you thought the kids were being treated nicely, and getting value and blah, blah, blah.

Again, the blame for this situation lies entirely at the feet of the "adults."

It's legitimately gross, on a human level, to suggest otherwise.
 

Nittering Nabob

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I weep for humanity.

Your first post was saying that this is how businesses work. That those who set up the businesses are the ones that set up the businesses. No der ... but completely irrelevant. Now you're moving on to victim blaming. Yikes.

So, when someone is raped, and the victim comes forward, and the rapist's life is ruined (and others' lives damaged, as well), do you say "the victim is to blame for lives being ruined! Did the rapist report the crime?"?

Yes, the adults set up the business model so that a lawsuit by a former player would be successful. The adults set up the business model so that lawsuits would be successful "every time someone wanted to transfer schools and not sit out."

Again, the "adults" (and I use that term loosely, as they were more like immature money-grubbing children) had every opportunity to set up their business model in a way that avoided these issues ... and, at every turn, they decided, instead, to go after the money, whether or not it exploited those doing the bulk of the work and providing the entertainment value. So now you blame the kids that are going after their rights ... and not the "adults" that set up this extremely flawed system and had no plan to deal with any blowback.

That's completely messed up. And it doesn't matter in the least if you thought the kids were being treated nicely, and getting value and blah, blah, blah.

Again, the blame for this situation lies entirely at the feet of the "adults."

It's legitimately gross, on a human level, to suggest otherwise.
Why can’t you ever limit share your thoughts to a pithy paragraph ?