Should there be a run rule in postseason play (regional, super and CWS)?

dawgstudent

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I say yes.

Reason I'm asking b/c we were talking about our bullpen in a group text and it made me think is there one in postseason. And there isn't.
 
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Perd Hapley

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Absolutely not.

First, you’re preventing the trailing team from having a full opportunity to salvage their season in a “do or die” game, no matter how unlikely the comeback chances are.

Secondly, you hurt the leading team as well, by preventing them from exerting their single biggest advantage gained from earning a big lead - the ability to burn through opposing pitching in a regional, super regional, or the CWS.

It’s silly. Imagine if Kellum Clark’s HR in 2021 put us up 10-0 instead of 9-0, and they just called the game at that point.
 
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Playing 5 of 7 inning is 71% of a game.

Not sure on baseball run rule, but I think you have to go 7 innings. That would be 77% of game. Not that different.

Run rules help the winning team, so I think they should exist in post season.
 

johnson86-1

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Absolutely not.

First, you’re preventing the trailing team from having a full opportunity to salvage their season in a “do or die” game, no matter how unlikely the comeback chances are.

Secondly, you hurt the leading team as well, by preventing them from exerting their single biggest advantage gained from earning a big lead - the ability to burn through opposing pitching in a regional, super regional, or the CWS.

It’s silly. Imagine if Kellum Clark’s HR in 2021 put us up 10-0 instead of 9-0, and they just called the game at that point.
I agree with your first reason, except I'd expand it to you should have the chance for a comeback even in a double elimination portion of a tournament.

For your second reason, I think a run rule helps the winning team more? A losing team can always put their shittiest pitching out there if they are going to give up. The run rule would be better for them, but not by a huge margin. For the winning team, it's always a risk to try to close out a game with worse pitchers to try to save pitchers for the next game. The run rule means they can shut it down and not have to worry about who they are putting out there.

But regardless, agree on now run rule in the post season for baseball. It's the post season. Play the full game.
 
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Bulldog Bruce

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The only question I would have is there any run differential tie breaker possibilty? If there is, play full game. If not, play the same rules.

One more unless. Is the 10 run rule in all the division 1 leagues?
 

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Baseball should have one, especially for the first round regionals. There will be some blowouts. It saves pitching and makes the subsequent games more interesting because of that. No one wants to see a blowout last longer than it should.
 

Perd Hapley

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I agree with your first reason, except I'd expand it to you should have the chance for a comeback even in a double elimination portion of a tournament.

For your second reason, I think a run rule helps the winning team more? A losing team can always put their shittiest pitching out there if they are going to give up. The run rule would be better for them, but not by a huge margin. For the winning team, it's always a risk to try to close out a game with worse pitchers to try to save pitchers for the next game. The run rule means they can shut it down and not have to worry about who they are putting out there.

But regardless, agree on now run rule in the post season for baseball. It's the post season. Play the full game.
On the 2nd reason, I kinda disagree. Unless its the final game of the regional, super regional, or CWS, the run rule helps the losing team way more. Note: this applies strictly to baseball.

If a big lead has been built by one team, it means both of 2 things have happened:

-Team A has been unable to score much on Team B

-Team A had been unable to stop Team B from scoring.

In your scenario where Team A can just use their worst pitching to “give up” that particular game, I contend that it’s actually the opposite. Team B has built the big lead in part due to strong starting pitching. That starter isn’t coming back until the following weekend regardless, so they can leave him out there longer to just pump strikes, and then bring in their back end guys to clean up whatever is left just by throwing strikes and letting the law of averages take over from there. All the while, Team A, at some point, has to stop Team B from scoring. Whether you have good pitching or bad, it’s infinitely easier to pitch with a big lead than in a tight game or with a big deficit. Having the luxury of being able to allow hits and runs at a moderate pace is something that only ever happens for a team winning in a blowout.

But regardless…..say I’m wrong and you’re right….or maybe we’re both right in certain ways. I still disagree on principle that a team should get any advantage that goes beyond the specific game in question by being allowed the gift of an early blowout win. Say it’s a winner’s bracket game where the 2-seed had to record 33 outs to win in extra innings, and the 1-seed only had to record 21 outs to blowout their 4-seed. It puts one team at a profound disadvantage from the onset.

None of this really applies to softball. I can kind of see the purpose for run rule there, because pitchers have near infinite use and don’t have the arm wear-and-tear of baseball, so its not near as much of an advantage / disadvantage either way.
 

thekimmer

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It does help the losing team because they have certainly used WAY more pitching than the winning team. My take is any NCAA-wide rule that applied in the regular season should also apply in post-season. Conference specific rules should not for obvious reasons.

That brings up a question. Even if the run-rule was suspended, is there any rule that would prevent a team that is getting their doors blown off from just forfeiting the game?

Final thought is run-rule eligible games do happen but would think they would be rare in the post season.
 
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Perd Hapley

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It does help the losing team because they have certainly used WAY more pitching than the winning team. My take is any NCAA-wide rule that applied in the regular season should also apply in post-season. Conference specific rules should not for obvious reasons.

That brings up a question. Even if the run-rule was suspended, is there any rule that would prevent a team that is getting their doors blown off from just forfeiting the game?

Final thought is run-rule eligible games do happen but would think they would be rare in the post season.
No, they can always forfeit at any time. However, I would imagine that a forfeit would be in violation of whatever contract exists between the school and the NCAA for performance obligations in postseason play, and I think the stipulations in the contract would likely be that they are essentially forfeiting all games in the tournament, not just the one in question, even if it’s double elimination and they haven’t lost yet. There may be fines or future postseason bans in place as well….for disrupting the competitive intent of a major postseason tournament. Those provisions would have to be in there, or else somebody in the past would have most assuredly tried to forfeit after giving up 8-9 runs in the 1st inning of a non-elimination game at some point in the past 50 years or so.

Therefore, they’d have no incentive to forfeit unless it’s an elimination game, and they’re just getting absolutely pounded into submission, and they don’t want to miss their flight home.