Bi-Partisan College Sports Bill

[iahawkeyes17]

Well got to start somewhere. Some good stuff in it. question is what’s it actually look like when all is said and done. (And for gods sake please don’t turn this thread into an OT boards garbage politics thread)

Bipartisan college sports bill proposes salary cap, transfer limit

A group of U.S. senators introduced a bipartisan college sports bill that aims to regulate payments to players, limit transfers and restrict coach movement during the season.

www.espn.com

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Agreed - got to start somewhere. But if anything at all happens, it will be watered down and ineffective.

Why do I say that?

Experience.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

How they gonna salary cap it, because that is a big big problem and even Texas A&M sees that coming. How do you make a kid earn less than what someone will offer him?

 

[IowaFarmBoy2]

You guys want to go back to Alabama or Georgia being the top?

 

[rchawk]

This part of the bill is pretty important.

"The Protect College Sports Act tries to resolve some of that disparity by giving the conferences an option to negotiate future TV deals as one large group and share the money more evenly as long as 75% of FBS schools agree to join together. The Big Ten and SEC would not be required to join that group. Cantwell introduced this plan in a previous bill by arguing that one large TV deal would benefit all schools, but it's not clear if leaders in the Big Ten and SEC would be interested in giving up any of the sizable financial advantage they've built."

Also, "The new bill would prohibit the SEC and Big Ten from further expanding their list of schools through conference realignment."

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

I don’t think you can stop what a kid makes from endorsements which includes collectives. You will lose in court.

already have a salary cap, it’s the $22 million each school can spend.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

I don’t think you can stop what a kid makes from endorsements which includes collectives. You will lose in court.

already have a salary cap, it’s the $22 million each school can spend.

Correct. Is Patrick Mahomes capped on his endorsements? I bet not. Chiefs can control his outside "work" activities but not what he earns outside

 

[hawkeyemark18]

This part of the bill is pretty important.

"The Protect College Sports Act tries to resolve some of that disparity by giving the conferences an option to negotiate future TV deals as one large group and share the money more evenly as long as 75% of FBS schools agree to join together. The Big Ten and SEC would not be required to join that group. Cantwell introduced this plan in a previous bill by arguing that one large TV deal would benefit all schools, but it's not clear if leaders in the Big Ten and SEC would be interested in giving up any of the sizable financial advantage they've built."

Also, "The new bill would prohibit the SEC and Big Ten sfrom further expanding their list of schools through conference realignment."

I really like the idea of one large tv deal if the Big Ten and SEC would join. I felt the NCAA went in the wrong direction in the first place setting the Big Ten and SEC apart to work out the alignment of the college football playoffs. And yes to prohibit further Big Ten and SEC expansion. This seems a necessary first step to eventual regional conference alignment.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

How they gonna salary cap it, because that is a big big problem and even Texas A&M sees that coming. How do you make a kid earn less than what someone will offer him?

By telling the kid they are legally required to punch that person in the d*ck and then politely tell him "no thanks"...............especially if they're from Wisconsin.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

This part of the bill is pretty important.

Also, "The new bill would prohibit the SEC and Big Ten from further expanding their list of schools through conference realignment."

And people wonder why I keep posting about smaller conference realignment scenarios instead of bigger ones...............

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

This part of the bill is pretty important.

"The Protect College Sports Act tries to resolve some of that disparity by giving the conferences an option to negotiate future TV deals as one large group and share the money more evenly as long as 75% of FBS schools agree to join together. The Big Ten and SEC would not be required to join that group. Cantwell introduced this plan in a previous bill by arguing that one large TV deal would benefit all schools, but it's not clear if leaders in the Big Ten and SEC would be interested in giving up any of the sizable financial advantage they've built."

Also, "The new bill would prohibit the SEC and Big Ten from further expanding their list of schools through conference realignment."

Limiting SEC and B1G's ability to expand further has zero chance of surviving in this bill. And this legislation has very little chance of passing both houses of Congress.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

I don’t think you can stop what a kid makes from endorsements which includes collectives. You will lose in court.

already have a salary cap, it’s the $22 million each school can spend.

The way I read it, I believe the schools themselves cannot organize NIL opportunities for the players, which I believe is how most NIL deals come together and is the main way schools circumvent the cap.

The players can earn money via endorsements, but they or their agent have to go land those endorsements themselves.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

Limiting SEC and B1G's ability to expand further has zero chance of surviving in this bill. And this legislation has very little chance of passing both houses of Congress.

Not even close to a law expert but I believe the bill gives the NCAA an antitrust exemption, meaning the NCAA could enforce denying the B1G and SEC adding schools with no worry of being sued on antitrust grounds. They are essentially eliminating their power to do anything about it.

 

[hawkeyemark18]

I just read the article and absorbed the details. I like that this represents a bipartisan effort regardless of whatever chances it has of passing in whatever form. The antitrust exemption to legally enforce some sensible rules seems very much a step in the right direction.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

Not even close to a law expert but I believe the bill gives the NCAA an antitrust exemption, meaning the NCAA could enforce denying the B1G and SEC adding schools with no worry of being sued on antitrust grounds. They are essentially eliminating their power to do anything about it.

I'm not either, but in that case there's nothing stopping the SEC and B1G from breaking away from the NCAA, doing their own thing, and bringing more of the top programs from other conferences along with them. I don't think there's any law that says those conferences must stay in the NCAA.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

I'm not either, but in that case there's nothing stopping the SEC and B1G from breaking away from the NCAA, doing their own thing, and bringing more of the top programs from other conferences along with them. I don't think there's any law that says those conferences must stay in the NCAA.

There’s not, but they would need to convince most of the other P4 schools to come with them for a new league to be viable. A new league with only 36 teams is not sustainable IMO. They also have to convince their TV partners to not drop or rewrite their contracts even though they are no longer in the same competition as when they were written.

Even if they maintain the TV money, it will now be split between all the other P4 teams that leave and join this new league, so each school would make less. Maybe they would make more long term, but that’s quite the risk.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

The way I read it, I believe the schools themselves cannot organize NIL opportunities for the players, which I believe is how most NIL deals come together and is the main way schools circumvent the cap.

The players can earn money via endorsements, but they or their agent have to go land those endorsements themselves.

All the collective needs to do is contact the player directly.

if people think the schools and coaches are not going to have any unofficial input on that I have a list of bridges and roads I would like to sell you.

they should stick to tightening up the transfer portal and stop pretending they can slow down the money.

 

[rchawk]

It is common for legislation to be amended before a vote. Take out the limits on conferences that make more than $1 billion expanding, and let the Big Ten and SEC be on negotiating their own TV contracts. The rest would be a great achievement.

Probably won't happen though however it is framed.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

All the collective needs to do is contact the player directly.

if people think the schools and coaches are not going to have any unofficial input on that I have a list of bridges and roads I would like to sell you.

they should stick to tightening up the transfer portal and stop pretending they can slow down the money.

nm

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

All the collective needs to do is contact the player directly.

if people think the schools and coaches are not going to have any unofficial input on that I have a list of bridges and roads I would like to sell you.

they should stick to tightening up the transfer portal and stop pretending they can slow down the money.

First of all, if you actually own any bridges or roads, I'll gladly take them off your hands for you.





Secondly............you don't want me owning any bridges or roads.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

There’s not, but they would need to convince most of the other P4 schools to come with them for a new league to be viable. A new league with only 36 teams is not sustainable IMO. They also have to convince their TV partners to not drop or rewrite their contracts even though they are no longer in the same competition as when they were written.

Even if they maintain the TV money, it will now be split between all the other P4 teams that leave and join this new league, so each school would make less. Maybe they would make more long term, but that’s quite the risk.

Maybe but I'd think if the B1G and SEC each expand to 20 pulling in the best remaining brands out there (UNC, Duke, FSU, Miami, etc.) and kept their own brand identity as conferences it would be plenty sustainable and very lucrative. Those are the programs ESPN and FOX most want. I'd think the money would be huge and even with expanding they'd be making at least as much if not more than now.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

The way I read it, I believe the schools themselves cannot organize NIL opportunities for the players, which I believe is how most NIL deals come together and is the main way schools circumvent the cap.

The players can earn money via endorsements, but they or their agent have to go land those endorsements themselves.

Sure. Wink wink.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Limiting SEC and B1G's ability to expand further has zero chance of surviving in this bill. And this legislation has very little chance of passing both houses of Congress.

This. I'm not sure how they can legislate what the conferences do as far as expansion. And frankly as much disdain as I have for what's going on in the NCAA, I really think these elected officials should be concentrating on a great many more important issues in their states and districts then who's getting paid what and who's on TV on Saturday.

 

[Nvhwk]

All depends on money that is all congress cares about these days.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

All depends on money that is all congress cares about these days.

Beginning of time to the end of time.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

Find it hat to believe the SEC and Big can split off and flurish with garbage teams like Northwestern Purdue Maryland Rutgers Minnesota just to name a few of the all time bottom feeders. That is garbage TV l, the 7 or 8 really good teams can not carry it forever. In NFL the draft gives everybody an equal chance to be good. I don’t ever see that happening in college football.

many weeks there is maybe two good matchups the entire weekend.

I think a lot of the nation would lose interest over time if their favorite team isn’t even capable of even playing for the ultimate prize.

 

[93hawkeye]

Soooooo many programs find many ways to cheat. Do we really think it will take more than 10 minutes for the sharpies out there to figure out how to cheat the salary cap?

 

[Bradjens]

How they gonna salary cap it, because that is a big big problem and even Texas A&M sees that coming. How do you make a kid earn less than what someone will offer him?

Follow the NFL modal. They can still do true nil get rid of the pay to play. The schools already pay them. If not then the ncaa should back out and get a commissioner like the nfl set rules and clean it up.
no reason to argue politics. We truly only have one party. The uni party. So let’s just hope it works.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

“True NIL”. Good luck defining that. Who is going to define “value” gained?

you lose in court.

car dealer give a kid $500,000 and somebody says he didn’t help your sales his response “imagine how bad it would be without his endorsement”.

lots of places advertise when their profits and sales are demolishing or stagnant.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Soooooo many programs find many ways to cheat. Do we really think it will take more than 10 minutes for the sharpies out there to figure out how to cheat the salary cap?

That's why you punish the cheaters to set the precedent rather than letting them skate by because it would "hurt the bottom line".