Topic from T&L - Where do you rank the Oklahoma softball win?

dawgstudent

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@Brian Hadad had it as #3 behind 2021 baseball and 2017 UConn.

Baseball
2021 - National title game

Football
2014 - Auburn
1980 - Mississippi State
1998 - Arkansas

Women's Basketball
2017 - UConn

Men's Basketball
1996 - Sweet 16 game vs UConn
 

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I think you probably have to differentiate significance vs shock value.

I don’t think it’s more significant than any of the games listed above…. But it may be the most shocking win(s) in school history regardless of sport. It’s at worst second in shock value behind 1980 Bama. The UConn WBB win was surprising but we were a 2 seed that had proven to be really good so I thought we had a puncher’s chance.

We had a pretty unremarkable regular season in softball this year. I don’t think us getting to the WCWS was on anyone’s radar. I think there was a belief we got a nice Regional draw, but nobody had us winning two in Norman against a dynasty.
 

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Significance for the school only, I'd have it at 9
2021 NC
2014 Auburn game
2017 UConn
1996 Elite Eight
1980 Bama
1971 Regional Final
1941 Orange Bowl
1935 Army game
2026 OU SR

I want to work in something from our 1909 baseball national title, but other than the perfect game against LSU, there's no penultimate moment and no national headlines.
 
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I’d say top 10 with the opportunity to move up if it helps springboard softball into an era of longterm success at a similar level (competing for the World Series regularly).
 
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tbh It's not in my top 10 moments. Happy for the lady dawgs and will be watching them in the WCWS but I'd have alot of football, basketball and baseball games well ahead of it.

2014 Auburn
98 Arkansas
80 Alabama

96 SEC Title Game
96 sweet 16
2004 Bama to win the SEC
2009 TN to win the Tourny

2021 Natty
2018 or 19 Stanford super

2017 Uconn

Just to name a few but you could throw in the two wins in Baton Rouge this century for football, Texas win in 90's, whipping michigan in gator bowl etc
 
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People may call me bigoted, but I’m just being real. In terms of its significance to the school it might be in the top 25? This is a collegiate softball regional we’re talking about. If we beat Minnesota this year in football that would be a bigger W in terms of national recognition lol.
 
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Bulldog45

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People may call me bigoted, but I’m just being real. In terms of its significance to the school it might be in the top 25? This is a collegiate softball regional we’re talking about
Super regional to get to the World Series but I get the point, I’d never watched any softball until this past weekend. That said, somebody mentioned 2 wins in tiger stadium this century. That’s actually a little depressing to think about. 2014 was significant since it helped us eventually get ranked #1 in the CFP rankings.
 

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tbh It's not in my top 10 moments. Happy for the lady dawgs and will be watching them in the WCWS but I'd have alot of football, basketball and baseball games well ahead of it.

2014 Auburn
98 Arkansas
80 Alabama

96 SEC Title Game
96 sweet 16
2004 Bama to win the SEC
2009 TN to win the Tourny

2021 Natty
2018 or 19 Stanford super

2017 Uconn

Just to name a few but you could throw in the two wins in Baton Rouge this century for football, Texas win in 90's, whipping michigan in gator bowl etc
I’d like to know why at least two of you have the 1998 Arkansas game in this list?
The win vs Arkansas did nothing for us except put us in position to DO what we did the following Saturday at ole miss which was beat ole miss to win the SEC Western Division Title.
Had we not won the Egg Bowl, on the road, there would have not been a trip to Atlanta for us.
We won the Western Division in Oxford!
Comprehending this is not that difficult folks!
 

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I think you probably have to differentiate significance vs shock value.

I don’t think it’s more significant than any of the games listed above…. But it may be the most shocking win(s) in school history regardless of sport. It’s at worst second in shock value behind 1980 Bama. The UConn WBB win was surprising but we were a 2 seed that had proven to be really good so I thought we had a puncher’s chance.

We had a pretty unremarkable regular season in softball this year. I don’t think us getting to the WCWS was on anyone’s radar. I think there was a belief we got a nice Regional draw, but nobody had us winning two in Norman against a dynasty.
Agree…..in terms of upsets, or program altering wins, it’s probably #2 only behind 2017 UConn.

In terms of overall meaningful wins, which considers the stakes, the upset factor, the visibility of the sport, and the adversity / circumstances of that particular contest, it’s probably not Top 5. Have to put 1998 Arkansas football, both UConn and Cincy games in 1996, the 2021 national title game in baseball, probably the 2013 game in the CWS that sent us to the title series, 2018 WBB vs. Louisville, 1980 Bama football, 1996 Bama football, all ahead of it.
 

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Significance for the school only, I'd have it at 9
2021 NC
2014 Auburn game
2017 UConn
1996 Elite Eight
1980 Bama
1971 Regional Final
1941 Orange Bowl
1936 Army game
2026 OU SR

I want to work in something from our 1909 baseball national title, but other than the perfect game against LSU, there's no penultimate moment and no national headlines.
Army game was 1935
 

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I’d like to know why at least two of you have the 1998 Arkansas game in this list?
The win vs Arkansas did nothing for us except put us in position to DO what we did the following Saturday at ole miss which was beat ole miss to win the SEC Western Division Title.
Had we not won the Egg Bowl, on the road, there would have not been a trip to Atlanta for us.
We won the Western Division in Oxford!
Comprehending this is not that difficult folks!
Fine, I'll throw 98 egg bowl on there too. 98 Arkansas is highlighted by some because that Arky team was the team to beat to win the west. They were very good. Good bit of luck on our end that they lost a tough, heartbreaker the week before in Knoxville to the team we would play in the title game.
 

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I’d like to know why at least two of you have the 1998 Arkansas game in this list?
The win vs Arkansas did nothing for us except put us in position to DO what we did the following Saturday at ole miss which was beat ole miss to win the SEC Western Division Title.
Had we not won the Egg Bowl, on the road, there would have not been a trip to Atlanta for us.
We won the Western Division in Oxford!
Comprehending this is not that difficult folks!
Did not realize that. In my memory, that game was for the division title.
I probably misremember a lot of stuff from when I was 10.
 

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People may call me bigoted, but I’m just being real. In terms of its significance to the school it might be in the top 25? This is a collegiate softball regional we’re talking about. If we beat Minnesota this year in football that would be a bigger W in terms of national recognition lol.
Basically you're saying football matters way more than every other sport, which is completely true. If we won the SEC championship in '98 it would be more significant than the 2021 baseball NC. You could make the argument the 96 Final Four was at least as significant if not more than the 2021 baseball NC. But as it stands, it's probably baseball NC #1, 96 Final four, and three important football games in the top 5.
 
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Outside our fan base, I believe 2017 UConn win is the biggest win in school history. The shot gets played every year during March. Also, when I travel, it is mentioned by others right up there with Dak, but his moments at State are often overshadowed by his NFL career.
 

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2)- 2014 football vs Auburn (2)
6)- 1998 football at ole miss
3)- 1980 football vs Alabama (1)
10)- 2014 football at LSU (8)
14)- 1992 football vs Florida (12)

1) - 2021 baseball National Championship
6)- 2013 baseball vs Oregon State
12)- 2001 baseball vs LSU (9) SEC Title

5)- 2017 women’s basketball vs UCONN
8)- 2018 women’s basketball vs Louisville

13)- 1996 basketball vs UCONN (3)
4) - 1996 basketball vs Cincinnati (7)
7)- 1996 basketball vs Kentucky (1) SEC Title
9)- 2002 basketball vs Alabama (8) SEC Title

11)- 2026 women’s softball vs Oklahoma (3) Advanced to World Series

Top 14 All Time Wins
I’m sure someone can come up with a list than is debatable to this one.
 

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Significance for the school only, I'd have it at 9
2021 NC
2014 Auburn game
2017 UConn
1996 Elite Eight
1980 Bama
1971 Regional Final
1941 Orange Bowl
1936 Army game
2026 OU SR

I want to work in something from our 1909 baseball national title, but other than the perfect game against LSU, there's no penultimate moment and no national headlines.
Tell me more about this 1909 baseball national title...you have peaked my interest, as I have never heard of this before.
 

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To rank this stuff, you really need clear parameters on what you're ranking...

Most impactful win to the fan base? To the outside world?

Most surprising win? Biggest upset?

This has to be the biggest surprise/upset by a Mississippi State team to put themselves in very close proximity to a national championship.

It's not bigger than a baseball national championship, but it is more surprising.

Women beating Uconn was a bigger national story, but I think even that improbable win was more likely than what the softball team just did.

The Alabama win in 1980 was a shocking upset, and a bigger deal because of the popularity of college football, but it was ultimately just 1 win in a good season.
 

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I don't see the fascination with the 2014 Auburn football game other than a bogus ranking that had no bearing on the season or where we ended up. They were a mediocre at best.
- being called number one for a few meaningless weeks as we struggled against even worst teams, lost to Bama and got blown out by OM and GT - you guys can have it.
That was a fun game to attend - but it is not on the level of meaning as any of the others listed.
other than Mullen quit right after that game
 

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For me personally, nothing beats that 1980 Bama win. State had been crap since firing Ally Mckeen except for a brief time in the mid 70's with Bob Tyler when my cuz Stan Black played. That '80 win over Bama showed what was possible at State, nothing else compares.

That Bama team had won back to back national titles and were undefeated. It was into November.


A bit from that article:
"The game had been over for nearly an hour, and the stands at Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium in Jackson, Mississippi, were still packed with delirious Bulldogs fans celebrating Mississippi State's epic 6-3 win over Alabama, widely considered to this day to be the greatest win in Mississippi State history and one of the biggest upsets in SEC history."
 

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Tell me more about this 1909 baseball national title...you have peaked my interest, as I have never heard of this before.
So around 2 decades ago I stumbled across a historical baseball society that was selecting/had selected national title winners from prior to 1947. State and Penn State were listed for 1909. I got in contact with the president, and had a discussion of how we ended up on their list.
Turns out he was the one who had actually put us up to the group for consideration for a shared title based on a variety of factors. Interestingly, one of his sources was a newspaper article from that year that made arguments for which Southern baseball team was the best. It wasn't conclusive, or even very thorough, but we were on it, and when you get down into the nuts and bolts, it's a good case, not the least of which is that no one was going to beat us when Willie Mitchell was on the mound.

I probably still have the email exchange around, although I'd be very surprised if the group is still kicking. I think they were mostly older gentlemen at the time.

ETA: Dug up the conversation and refreshed my memory. It was from 2005, and it was Cappy Cagnon, chairman of the Society for American Baseball Research's collegiate committee (records show this may date back to 1984-5), who put us on his list, as did Charles Hayes, the gentlemen I was conversing with. I can't find where I got the shared-with-Penn-State thing, as the list he sent gives the 1909 title only to us.
SABR still exists, as does the committee in question, but I don't see where their site has this info any longer.

https://sabr.org/

 
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I don't see the fascination with the 2014 Auburn football game other than a bogus ranking that had no bearing on the season or where we ended up. They were a mediocre at best.
- being called number one for a few meaningless weeks as we struggled against even worst teams, lost to Bama and got blown out by OM and GT - you guys can have it.
That was a fun game to attend - but it is not on the level of meaning as any of the others listed.
other than Mullen quit right after that game
It certainly illustrates the futility of our football history, that we consider this to be a top moment. But I can't really argue against it. The next best thing to having a Heisman winner and making the playoff, was almost having a Heisman winner and almost making the playoff.
 

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So around 2 decades ago I stumbled across a historical baseball society that was selecting/had selected national title winners from prior to 1947. State and Penn State were listed for 1909. I got in contact with the president, and had a discussion of how we ended up on their list.
Turns out he was the one who had actually put us up to the group for consideration for a shared title based on a variety of factors. Interestingly, one of his sources was a newspaper article from that year that made arguments for which Southern baseball team was the best. It wasn't conclusive, or even very thorough, but we were on it, and when you get down into the nuts and bolts, it's a good case, not the least of which is that no one was going to beat us when Willie Mitchell was on the mound.

I probably still have the email exchange around, although I'd be very surprised if the group is still kicking. I think they were mostly older gentlemen at the time.

Great story. Willie Mitchell, the first real star of Mississippi State baseball...

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Somewhere in the midst of

1. 1984 Colorado State home opener
2. 1992 Starkville regional game between Clemson and Yale
3. A satisfying meal at El Portrillo
4. A satisfying dump shortly after eating at number three.


Seriously in terms of achievement, not counting the national title, got to be right there with UConn win (womens though 96 mens is close)

I don't have it with the SEC tournament win in 96 - we were better than UK. And no 6-3 either, screw Bama.
 

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I don't see the fascination with the 2014 Auburn football game other than a bogus ranking that had no bearing on the season or where we ended up. They were a mediocre at best.
- being called number one for a few meaningless weeks as we struggled against even worst teams, lost to Bama and got blown out by OM and GT - you guys can have it.
That was a fun game to attend - but it is not on the level of meaning as any of the others listed.
other than Mullen quit right after that game
100% disagree. Outside of the baseball national championship - that day is my favorite day of being a State fan. 1996 Final Four is probably 3rd.
 
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I concur, Dawgstudent, It was a great day to be a State fan.

It felt almost as good as walking out of Mississippi Memorial Stadium on November 1, 1980.

But ultimately it was meaningless. Auburn was a nobody and we weren't that much better.
 

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I concur, Dawgstudent, It was a great day to be a State fan.

It felt almost as good as walking out of Mississippi Memorial Stadium on November 1, 1980.

But ultimately it was meaningless. Auburn was a nobody and we weren't that much better.

I get your point, but there are data driven polls that say that was still one of the best Mississippi State teams in history. So I'm sympathetic to anybody who has a soft spot for the wins that got us to #1. That was a really fun few weeks.
 

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So around 2 decades ago I stumbled across a historical baseball society that was selecting/had selected national title winners from prior to 1947. State and Penn State were listed for 1909. I got in contact with the president, and had a discussion of how we ended up on their list.
Turns out he was the one who had actually put us up to the group for consideration for a shared title based on a variety of factors. Interestingly, one of his sources was a newspaper article from that year that made arguments for which Southern baseball team was the best. It wasn't conclusive, or even very thorough, but we were on it, and when you get down into the nuts and bolts, it's a good case, not the least of which is that no one was going to beat us when Willie Mitchell was on the mound.

I probably still have the email exchange around, although I'd be very surprised if the group is still kicking. I think they were mostly older gentlemen at the time.

ETA: Dug up the conversation and refreshed my memory. It was from 2005, and it was Cappy Cagnon, chairman of the Society for American Baseball Research's collegiate committee (records show this may date back to 1984-5), who put us on his list, as did Charles Hayes, the gentlemen I was conversing with. I can't find where I got the shared-with-Penn-State thing, as the list he sent gives the 1909 title only to us.
SABR still exists, as does the committee in question, but I don't see where their site has this info any longer.

https://sabr.org/

Thank you for posting that! I stumbled across that maybe back before you did and never could find it again. It's been so long ago that if you would have asked me today, I would have said 1903 co-champs with Yale. Every time an ole miss dunkel index/better homes and garden championship was mentioned I wanted to find that data but couldn't.
 
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100% disagree. Outside of the baseball national championship - that day is my favorite day of being a State fan. 1996 Final Four is probably 3rd.
Really? Did you watch the Cincy & UConn games? Or Auburn & Florida 2014? Or the Egg bowl that clinched the West? Or the LSU & Alabama games that won SEC basketball championships. Or Morgan Williams shot to beat UConn. Or the 80 or 96 Bama game. I’ll cut you some slack on the 63 Loyola basketball game & the 1941 egg bowl.
 

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Really? Did you watch the Cincy & UConn games? Or Auburn & Florida 2014? Or the Egg bowl that clinched the West? Or the LSU & Alabama games that won SEC basketball championships. Or Morgan Williams shot to beat UConn. Or the 80 or 96 Bama game. I’ll cut you some slack on the 63 Loyola basketball game & the 1941 egg bowl.
Watched all of those. I've never been happier outside of the baseball championship than the day we beat Auburn. Something I thought I would never experience as a Mississippi State fan. #1 in the nation in football.
 

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I’d like to know why at least two of you have the 1998 Arkansas game in this list?
The win vs Arkansas did nothing for us except put us in position to DO what we did the following Saturday at ole miss which was beat ole miss to win the SEC Western Division Title.
Had we not won the Egg Bowl, on the road, there would have not been a trip to Atlanta for us.
We won the Western Division in Oxford!
Comprehending this is not that difficult folks!


Arkansas was 8-1 and ranked #9 in the country when we beat them. We got the ball back for our final drive w/ 3:06 to go trailing 21-19 after making them go 3 & out, at home in front of a good crowd. Madkin drove us down to their 17 (from our 46) and Hazelwood's kick was a come from behind 27 yarder with :07 seconds left

Ole Miss was unranked and 6-4 when we beat the hell out of them 28-6

It's "not that difficult folks" to figure it out

 
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