While I hate that it looks like I'm criticizing a vet on memorial day, but it's pretty obvious he's not an officer
The potential US Iran Ceasefire
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While I hate that it looks like I'm criticizing a vet on memorial day, but it's pretty obvious he's not an officer
Saudi Arabia’s position is they are only willing to sign onto the Abraham Accords, if there is a two-state solution for Palestine.
Keep in mind, Trump and MBS are allies. They have been working together since at least 2017.
They have an agreement already in place. As for what that solution for Palestine ends up being, we shall see, but I think Trump is about to leverage this moment with Iran to bring a lasting peace to the Middle East.
This plan has been in the works for a long time, and the obstacle that was preventing peace in the region, was Iran and their terrorist proxies that have been destabilizing the region for decades. With this rogue variable removed from the board, Trump and the leaders of the region can implement their solution for Israel and Palestine, and hopefully bring stability to the region.
Come on dude, you're a better troll that....as The Coach from the movie The Gentleman said:
"Now what do you got for me, make it quick, make it funny, make it sharp.....now, cut me with it"
Trump is just stringing it out because he has no idea how to actually end it because he was arrogant and didn't have a fully thought out plan. Yes, that's an intentional run-on sentence.
Another “deal” announced by Trump that didn’t happen.
Trumpkins falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
I am shocked.
Trumpkins falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
I am shocked.
Brent crude up almost 4% to 100 bucks again.
Market seems to have doubts on concluding the war today.
Still fubar.
Market seems to have doubts on concluding the war today.
Still fubar.
Excited to read the Gunter Eagleman tweet about how Brent's price rising is actually good
Crazy that this guy tigergrowl and scruddy are actually people that live among us. The cult cope is strong.
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So... the ****... what? And if not for those reports, we wouldn't know anything. Which is where exactly we were when we tore up the agreement and then later started bombing.
The idiocy of this entire line of thinking: They were lying to inspectors. How do we know? Because the inspectors figured it out.
Well then lets tear up the whole agreement and start bombing them, that should fix it.
This is why I believe Trump had no plan, none, except regime change. He really thought it would be super easy. Well he was wrong, and he fired people who warned him he was wrong. You are wrong stating the agreement was bad because they lied. Why? Because LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE! This war is hurting Americans. You should pray Trump puts back the Obama deal. If they lie on inspections, you take them to task for it, you negotiate. Thats what you do.
ALSO, theres a TON of bad reporting out there talking about violations AFTER the US withdrew from the agreement.
U.S. Withdrawal from the JCPOA
The United States officially withdrew from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on May 8, 2018. This agreement, reached in July 2015, aimed to limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.Reasons for Withdrawal
President Trump cited several reasons for the withdrawal:- Inadequate Limits on Missile Program: He claimed the JCPOA did not sufficiently restrict Iran's missile development.
- Continued Malign Activities: Trump argued that the deal allowed Iran to continue its destabilizing actions in the region.
Substantiation of Claims
Many experts and analysts have questioned the validity of these claims:- Lack of Evidence: Critics argue that the assertions regarding Iran's missile program and malign activities were not backed by substantial evidence.
- Compliance with the Deal: Prior to the U.S. withdrawal, Iran was reported to be in compliance with the JCPOA, as confirmed by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
The Obama deal was designed to give functional nukes to his Muslim handlers....period. Trump fixed that shit_. Obama crying now. He knows its over. They have a room reserved for him at gitmo. Wait til it becomes confirmed that the uranium in Iran is from the US.
Maybe you should sit this one out kiddo. The thread isn’t going so well for you.
Its being circulated on X that its from Uranium One deal that went from the US. I dont know but it wouldn't surprise me.
This is just classic Trump cult ********. Whenever Trump screws something up mightily, the key is to find a way to blame it on Obama.
I'm pretty sure Growls is just an early iteration of AI. Probably something like a beta model that only knows how to defend/deflect/excuse away any Trump issues.
It's a pretty impressive design.
I do not love this but it moves us forward. I was hoping for regime change after all this trouble. Please take note of the mention of Israel.
Axios just revealed the detailed terms of the Iran deal Trump is close to signing, possibly as soon as today...
Key details:
-A 60-day ceasefire extension, renewable by mutual consent
-The Strait of Hormuz reopens with no tolls, and Iran clears the mines it deployed
-In exchange, the U.S. lifts its blockade and issues sanctions waivers letting Iran sell oil freely
-Trump's principle: "relief for performance." Frozen Iranian funds stay frozen until a final nuclear deal is verifiably implemented
-Iran commits in the MOU to never pursue nuclear weapons and to negotiate suspending enrichment and removing its uranium stockpile
-Iran reportedly gave verbal commitments through mediators on how far it will go
-U.S. forces stay in the region for the full 60 days, withdrawing only if a final deal is reached
-The MOU explicitly ends the Israel-Hezbollah war in Lebanon
-Arab and Muslim leaders including the UAE's MBZ, Saudi, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, and Pakistan all backed the deal on a Saturday call
The most revealing detail: Netanyahu raised concerns about the Lebanon ceasefire on a Saturday call with Trump and was overridden.
The U.S. official's quote says everything.
"Bibi has his domestic considerations, but Trump has the interests of the U.S. and the global economy to think about."
That sounds better for Iran (and China) than prewar (no sanctions on oil sales) while going back to prewar on Hormuz (for zero gain on that point).
Bibi will never live up to the Lebanon side of the agreement.
Iran will agree to not pursue nukes - as they have always done - but how do you prove it?
This is what Trump is trying to get - meaning we probably won't even get all of that - yet, on its face, it's no better (and arguably worse) than the Obama deal.
How is it better than the Obama deal? Lay it out for us.
Hint: It isn't.
How much damage did we do to get this TACO agreement? People killed, injured and displaced. Prices skyrocketing (and they won't suddenly stop with this deal). Stagflation or worse. Economies around the world in crisis. An out of control deficit. Massive corruption at home. Even more harm to the environment.
There isn't even a slight chance this unprovoked criminal war was worth it.
There, there. I have moments when I don't understand things, too.
I hope you recover some day.
I don't understand the $25 bills reference but, yeah, FOX has its work cut out.
Then again, they'll just lie. No biggie; they are well-practiced.
not me, I only asked where that statement came from.. I had never seen that anyway else.
EDIT: I really thought he was going to say that the uranium came from the Hillary deal with Russia, and that uranium then made it to IRAN.
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You are a Wierd person. Dumb
as heck as well.
trundle down the hallway in your dorm room.
Gruel will be served later tonight.
My god man, don’t expose yourself to be drump level dumb.
You don’t know, but you would trash others for something you “don’t“ know?
sorry sport, yer chia is bull chia.
We were promised the US uranium from Uranium One would never leave the US, but it did.
Some was sent to Canada, which was then sent to Europe and Asia, namely the UK, France, Germany, and Japan.
After that, we don’t (officially) know where it went.
Uranium laundering.
I think Trump’s animosity towards Canada/EU/NATO, might have something to do with Uranium One. He’s been showing us they aren’t our allies for a reason. He’s been backing away from NATO for a reason. Trudeau feared Trump for a reason.
This also might explain why the EU/NATO have been unwilling to help with Iran. They don’t want Trump to succeed, because if it turns out that Iran got their hands on US uranium from Uranium One, it wouldn’t just be Obama and his administration who are responsible, Europe and Canada have dirt on their hands also.
Obviously Russia played a role as well via Rosatom, and perhaps this is why they have offered to take the enriched uranium in Iran.
I think it’s safe to say Iran is about much more than just Iran. This potentially implicates multiple heads of state around the globe.
The biggest crime in history.
Anyone who thinks this ends any other way besides US boots on the ground is delusional.
We walk away or we keep the status quo, we are either lighting the world economy on fire and/or making Iran the absolute power of the region and potentially a world power.
This whole thing is an absolute disaster and I’m guessing this is the main reason no prior U.S. president made such a move.
Only way to resolve this is full commitment unfortunately.
We walk away or we keep the status quo, we are either lighting the world economy on fire and/or making Iran the absolute power of the region and potentially a world power.
This whole thing is an absolute disaster and I’m guessing this is the main reason no prior U.S. president made such a move.
Only way to resolve this is full commitment unfortunately.