OT: Mets 2026 Season Thread

gmay8

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Think Sesame Street GIF

Thank you. I was looking for my original post.
 
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Gavin Wimsatt had elite stuff when he was on, but he was rarely on.......
Winning is a habit, but so is losing. McLean is surrounded by an organization that accepts losing. You have a president/GM who is all about analytics as the end-all be-all approach. You have a manager who is in above his head. You have injury-prone players all over the roster because the GM said they were better than the previous guys.

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Knight Shift

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Winning is a habit, but so is losing. McLean is surrounded by an organization that accepts losing. You have a president/GM who is all about analytics as the end-all be-all approach. You have a manager who is in above his head. You have injury-prone players all over the roster because the GM said they were better than the previous guys.

Winning Game Over GIF by The Art Plug
 

Doctor Worm

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He probably misses Hefner.

Another Stearns error !
I didn't hear anybody complaining about Hefner's dismissal at the time that it happened, when Mets missed the playoffs because their pitching collapsed in the last half of the season.

McLean's last two starts have been poor. His previous nine have ranged from OK to stellar. Did he miss Hefner then?

Mets have a ton of problems. Their new pitching coach with his more aggressive philosophy is not one of them.
 
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Zak57

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The Mets pitching has been top 10. The lineup has been a mess because of injuries and inconsistency of the guys we thought would be consistent. McLean blowing up like that two starts in a row actually has me more concerned he might be hurt or something. Could also be hitting a wall earlier in the year because of the stupid WBC and ramping up quicker.

We actually received some positive injury news yesterday on the injury front but will the team be too far out of it for that to matter? Could be at this point.
 
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LeapinLou

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When McClean can't hit the strike zone with his breaking pitches, the batters can sit on the fastball and take everything else. He will be fine when someone can help him fix his control issues.
 
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Rhuarc

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With the score 7-0, Semian hits a HR and they do the whole vest and construction hat thing. Shouldn't that have been avoided under those circumstances? It's a really bad look that you're having fun losing 7-1.
That's why teams shouldn't do stupid crap like that. It's a bad look.
 
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Doctor Worm

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With the score 7-0, Semian hits a HR and they do the whole vest and construction hat thing. Shouldn't that have been avoided under those circumstances? It's a really bad look that you're having fun losing 7-1.
I really don't care about dugout optics one way or the other. If the players are trying to pump up a struggling teammate, who am I to say they shouldn't?

We have plenty to complain about in terms of on-field performance. We don't need to seek out additional complaints.
 

Doctor Worm

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We all that for the first one-third of the season, the Mets offense has sucked. But until I ran some numbers, I did not have a full appreciation of the magnitude of suck. So allow me to share this with you. It would work better on a scattergraph, but I lack the energy for that.
  • At this writing, the MLB average OPS is .705.
  • 13 teams are above the average, 17 are below. Let's focus on the 17.
  • The highest ranked team among the 17 (i.e., the 14th ranked team) is the Reds at .703.
  • The 28th ranked team is the Blue Jays at .678.
  • So... the difference between the 14th team and the 28th is only 25 percentage points. Everybody is tightly bunched. Nobody is too far from league average.
  • And then you've got the Mets at .643. A full 35 points behind the 28th ranked team, with the Padres in between.
What this means is... over the first one-third of the season, the Met offense has not only sucked, it has statistical-outlier sucked. It has off-the-charts sucked.

The good news? There's still two-thirds of the season left. Well maybe that's not such good news. We shall see.
 

yesrutgers01

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We all that for the first one-third of the season, the Mets offense has sucked. But until I ran some numbers, I did not have a full appreciation of the magnitude of suck. So allow me to share this with you. It would work better on a scattergraph, but I lack the energy for that.
  • At this writing, the MLB average OPS is .705.
  • 13 teams are above the average, 17 are below. Let's focus on the 17.
  • The highest ranked team among the 17 (i.e., the 14th ranked team) is the Reds at .703.
  • The 28th ranked team is the Blue Jays at .678.
  • So... the difference between the 14th team and the 28th is only 25 percentage points. Everybody is tightly bunched. Nobody is too far from league average.
  • And then you've got the Mets at .643. A full 35 points behind the 28th ranked team, with the Padres in between.
What this means is... over the first one-third of the season, the Met offense has not only sucked, it has statistical-outlier sucked. It has off-the-charts sucked.

The good news? There's still two-thirds of the season left. Well maybe that's not such good news. We shall see.
I wonder where our DWar is too
 

Zak57

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We all that for the first one-third of the season, the Mets offense has sucked. But until I ran some numbers, I did not have a full appreciation of the magnitude of suck. So allow me to share this with you. It would work better on a scattergraph, but I lack the energy for that.
  • At this writing, the MLB average OPS is .705.
  • 13 teams are above the average, 17 are below. Let's focus on the 17.
  • The highest ranked team among the 17 (i.e., the 14th ranked team) is the Reds at .703.
  • The 28th ranked team is the Blue Jays at .678.
  • So... the difference between the 14th team and the 28th is only 25 percentage points. Everybody is tightly bunched. Nobody is too far from league average.
  • And then you've got the Mets at .643. A full 35 points behind the 28th ranked team, with the Padres in between.
What this means is... over the first one-third of the season, the Met offense has not only sucked, it has statistical-outlier sucked. It has off-the-charts sucked.

The good news? There's still two-thirds of the season left. Well maybe that's not such good news. We shall see.
Not sure how you personally feel about the advanced metrics but what makes this even more confounding...

They're a top 10 team in hard hit %, barrels, barrel %, EV and the xSLG and xwOBA would be top 10 also. They are actually still hitting the ball well process wise but have had "bad luck" based on those numbers. Throw in the the injuries to half the starters and you get what we're seeing night in and out. What can explain such a difference between actual production versus expected production is well I don't know.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Not sure how you personally feel about the advanced metrics but what makes this even more confounding...

They're a top 10 team in hard hit %, barrels, barrel %, EV and the xSLG and xwOBA would be top 10 also. They are actually still hitting the ball well process wise but have had "bad luck" based on those numbers. Throw in the the injuries to half the starters and you get what we're seeing night in and out. What can explain such a difference between actual production versus expected production is well I don't know.
This is exactly why you take these crazy analytics and throw them out the f-ing window as fast as you can and start believing old school eyes. You know it when you see it.
 
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Doctor Worm

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Not sure how you personally feel about the advanced metrics but what makes this even more confounding...

They're a top 10 team in hard hit %, barrels, barrel %, EV and the xSLG and xwOBA would be top 10 also. They are actually still hitting the ball well process wise but have had "bad luck" based on those numbers. Throw in the the injuries to half the starters and you get what we're seeing night in and out. What can explain such a difference between actual production versus expected production is well I don't know.
I will grasp any reason for hope that I can. It is my nature. :)
 

Zak57

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This is exactly why you take these crazy analytics and throw them out the f-ing window as fast as you can and start believing old school eyes. You know it when you see it.
Not really. Analytics is just information as is the eye test. The more information the better.

When you do all those things well you generally have a good offense. Other teams that high in those numbers are all top offensive teams so far. The way you apply the information is what can be questioned.
 

Doctor Worm

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Also, raise your hand if you knew that in 2025, Eric Wagaman played in 140 games and had 477 AB's with the Marlins.

(Oh put your hand down, you f'n liar.)

Wagaman had a .674 OPS last year. Subpar by MLB standards. Not bad by Mets standards.
 

RuBird

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Legit question. Many want Mendoza fired, some say it won’t matter. My question is how does this hitting coach still have a job? Now before I get these are Millionaire players that should be able to figure it out on their own I counter with why have hitting coaches then at all? The rest of the league has them. How much would a “better” hitting coach make?
 

Doctor Worm

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Legit question. Many want Mendoza fired, some say it won’t matter. My question is how does this hitting coach still have a job? Now before I get these are Millionaire players that should be able to figure it out on their own I counter with why have hitting coaches then at all? The rest of the league has them. How much would a “better” hitting coach make?
Legit question. Why did you feel compelled to make sure we understood that your question was legit? ;)

My thinking is that changing skills coaches (hitting or pitching) at midseason is almost always a mistake. The players have been hearing one voice since the start of spring training. They don't need to hear a different voice now.
 

RuBird

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Legit question. Why did you feel compelled to make sure we understood that your question was legit? ;)

My thinking is that changing skills coaches (hitting or pitching) at midseason is almost always a mistake. The players have been hearing one voice since the start of spring training. They don't need to hear a different voice now.
So you make a change at the end of the season? You think the players can turn their hitting around? Maybe I am wrong but I have heard a few pitchers over the years singing the praises of their pitching coach. Am I missing something do hitters feel the same about hitting coaches.
. There are others that know way more about this topic. Looking to pick a few brains not start an argument hence…..legit question😎
 

Doctor Worm

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So you make a change at the end of the season? You think the players can turn their hitting around? Maybe I am wrong but I have heard a few pitchers over the years singing the praises of their pitching coach. Am I missing something do hitters feel the same about hitting coaches.
. There are others that know way more about this topic. Looking to pick a few brains not start an argument hence…..legit question😎
My answer to both of your questions is "I have no idea."

What I assume will happen is that barring a dramatic turnaround (i.e. make the playoffs), Mendoza will not be back next year. Whether he survives the season is almost irrelevant. My guess is that he will.

The new manager will hire a new staff. He will decide whether the hitting coaches return.
 

gmay8

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Whelp tried to tune in for top 1…. Couple of Peterson walks, then a 2 rbi double. And I’ve seen enough. We know the offense can’t storm back from down 2.