Is softball in MS sustainable?

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All I hear is that HS softball sucks in this state, and that all the elite travel ballers play out of state. Is this true? Are there any elite MS-based teams?

My only experience is a friend of mine whose daughter played in TN and is now at JUCO.

ETA: played HS in MS but went to TN to play travel/select
 
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All I hear is that HS softball sucks in this state, and that all the elite travel ballers play out of state. Is this true? Are there any elite MS-based teams?

My only experience is a friend of mine whose daughter played in TN and is now at JUCO.
There's next to no P4 talent here. You get a couple every few years and that's it. You can count on 1 hand over the last 10 years the girls that start in P4. Tons of lower level players though and nothing wrong with Juco, D3, NAIA, etc.
 

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There's next to no P4 talent here. You get a couple every few years and that's it. You can count on 1 hand over the last 10 years the girls that start in P4.
Is that a lack of overall talent or lack of select teams

guess it doesn’t matter if neighboring states have plenty bc kids are always going to be attracted by SEC schools even if not instate

I’ll be damned if Arkansas, Bama and Tennessee are all in Omaha too. Not to mention ole Miss’ success

Seems we have a ton from California. Has to be hard to recruit that way
 

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Is that a lack of overall talent or lack of select teams

guess it doesn’t matter if neighboring states have plenty bc kids are always going to be attracted by SEC schools even if not instate

I’ll be damned if Arkansas, Bama and Tennessee are all in Omaha too. Not to mention ole Miss’ success

Seems we have a ton from California. Has to be hard to recruit that way
It's a population thing first, then it's sufficient training, dedication to training, and there are no real top end teams here. Money is a big problem too. There are no facilities that compare to the top states. That's not to say we don't have folks trying or decent facilities, it's just not the same thing. We have one MS kid that contributes much and a second who pinch hits some. OM doesn't have it any better. USM has a terrible program with a couple MS that play much. Juco is good but this is D2 Juco here. Carey and Belhaven have good programs for their levels.
 

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It’s a coaching issue. Most high schools throw a bone to a baseball guy that doesn’t know the sport. Travel ball teams are coached by dads that would be on baseball diamonds if they had sons.

it doesn’t help that the private schools play in the fall and that messes with the travel ball season.
 
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USM went to the World Series before the SEC started sponsoring softball. And like others mentioned, Belhaven and the JUCOs have great programs.
 

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It’s a coaching issue. Most high schools throw a bone to a baseball guy that doesn’t know the sport. Travel ball teams are coached by dads that would be on baseball diamonds if they had sons.

it doesn’t help that the private schools play in the fall and that messes with the travel ball season.
HS has nothing to do with P4 players
 

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Of course it doesn’t. But MS private schools and public schools playing in different season hinders travel teams from practicing together and playing fall ball.
There aren't any top shelf travel programs in MS. Plenty play in big tournaments but almost none are in the top level of those.
 

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I'm really surprised to hear y'all write travel softball isn't up to snuff in ms because...I see facebook ads and flyers often that the ..

U6 Dugout Divas Dinger Daiseys are holding tryouts.
 
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I'm really surprised to hear y'all write travel softball isn't up to snuff in ms because...I see facebook ads and flyers often that the ..

U6 Dugout Divas Dinger Daiseys are holding tryouts.
That’s always the case. With all due respect I’m not making fun here, I’m asking the questions, because I don’t know.

Real, competitive travel ball is different than daddy ball BS. When winning and scholarships are on the line, daddy ball goes right out the window, in softball and baseball.
 
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That’s always the case. With all due respect I’m not making fun here, I’m asking the questions, because I don’t know.

Real, competitive travel ball is different than daddy ball BS. When winning and scholarships are on the line, daddy ball goes right out the window, in softball and baseball.
My girl plays for Mississippi Elite 18u. There are some good programs like Fury Platinum and Firecrackers but the original point is it’s not TOP level. That’s true. It’s getting better but it’s not there yet. The Divas teams and the diamond dolls teams are ring tournament teams. They serve a purpose for lower level players and are fun in their own way. But you want your kid on a showcase team.

all the showcase teams play round robins at the JUCOs every weekend in front of the Juco coaches. We also play a few showcase tourneys in the spring and a few in the fall in Oxford, Brandon, Baton Rouge. You’d be surprised at what big schools show up to these to watch. But it’s usually a big national team that comes in to clean up.

I have found that the most important thing in my girls “career” is camps and performing well whenever she plays, not wins. Camps are where offers are made, not tourneys.


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We used to camp at State. It was like $300. 300 girls would show up, drill for 3 hours, pitch/catch, hit for an hour, then play in a scrimmage setting. Ricketts and Bratton asks all the Jrs, Srs, and Juco transfers who was interested then pull them aside to “presumably” talk one on one with them. My kid was young at the time so I didn’t really see that part of it. But I really started paying attention to States roster. They just don’t carry Mississippi kids, so I quit taking her to their camps. That’s when I started focusing on JUCOs. If my kid ever plays any D1 or D2, her path will go through Juco.
 
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Been out of MS for about 20 years. When I was in HS in MS I don’t think our HS (which was a major one in the state) even had softball. It wasn’t even a consideration.

In TX, it is becoming huge for sure. Extremely competitive club tournaments everywhere which fizzles out when many of the girls make high school teams. I’d imagine in MS it’s more nascent than anything but I’m sure it will change.

In TX, youth have many softball options. Church leagues and YMCA are extremely beginner level for the littles, Little League has a very competitive and quickly growing landscape which has many beginners but also some advanced club players too from ages 6 to 15 years old… many of the advanced little league players also play year around club ball which I’m pretty familiar with. It’s a lot of fun going to weekend tournaments with teams from all over. Super competitive. In HS, private schools have very competitive leagues as do high schools.

Some of the girls I’ve coached play year around. Practice two to three times a week, gym several times a week, compete on several teams, batting cages every weekend there are not games, private coach lessons, etc… this is all before and prepping for high school.

MSU would be wise to recruit TX hard. The softball talent here is incredible and growing rapidly. It is night and day from the time and place I grew up in MS.
 
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Interesting story: when I was in junior high, a pastor moved to our town whose daughter had played competitive softball. She was a pitcher, and no one in our area had ever seen anything like it. We were just a 2A school, but for her first two years we destroyed everyone and won state back-to-back. We had coaches from all kinds of programs coming out to watch her play. Unfortunately, she injured her shoulder going into her senior year and was never the same after that. Honestly, one of the reasons we were able to win state was because our team got to practice against her every single day.

I believe they moved from Texas sometime in the early to mid-2000s. Her dad was shocked by how much pride and effort we put into slow-pitch softball. At the time, slow-pitch was the fall sport in Mississippi, and instead of conflicting with fast-pitch, most pitching teams fully committed to slow-pitch during that season. He wouldn’t let her play slow-pitch in the fall because they stayed focused on travel-ball fast-pitch instead. I do wonder if the focus on slow pitch for so long has hurt the state. I think we were one of the last slow-pitch states.
 

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Some of the girls I’ve coached play year around. Practice two to three times a week, gym several times a week, compete on several teams, batting cages every weekend there are not games, private coach lessons, etc… this is all before and prepping for high school.
I don't really see an issue with this in softball, as you don't see the UCL injuries there. As long as by 'gym' you mean strength training, and as long as the practices have a lot of movement, rather than standing around.
 

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My HS (in Desoto County) had a softball team, but it was easily the least cared for program at the school. Behind cheer, dance, girls soccer, even powerlifting. Just was never high on the list of priorities
 

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I believe they moved from Texas sometime in the early to mid-2000s. Her dad was shocked by how much pride and effort we put into slow-pitch softball. At the time, slow-pitch was the fall sport in Mississippi, and instead of conflicting with fast-pitch, most pitching teams fully committed to slow-pitch during that season. He wouldn’t let her play slow-pitch in the fall because they stayed focused on travel-ball fast-pitch instead. I do wonder if the focus on slow pitch for so long has hurt the state. I think we were one of the last slow-pitch states.
Sounds like it's a combo of all of it. Slow pitch probably didn't help (never understood this), small state population (and a large part that doesn't play softball), and the lack of coaching.

On one hand, you could say well we have a lot of baseball players. Well, that's established in every small town in MS. Softball seems to really be centralized in metro areas, where surprise surprise, MS falls short.

I personally have never understood the point of slow pitch softball period, men or women.
 
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My HS (in Desoto County) had a softball team, but it was easily the least cared for program at the school. Behind cheer, dance, girls soccer, even powerlifting. Just was never high on the list of priorities
It’s different now with all the travel softball teams from DeSoto County feeding players into the high school teams. Hernando just won the state championship after being close the last couple of years. Lewisburg is pretty good too.
 

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Sounds like it's a combo of all of it. Slow pitch probably didn't help (never understood this), small state population (and a large part that doesn't play softball), and the lack of coaching.

On one hand, you could say well we have a lot of baseball players. Well, that's established in every small town in MS. Softball seems to really be centralized in metro areas, where surprise surprise, MS falls short.

I personally have never understood the point of slow pitch softball period, men or women.
We went through this with my daughter. She traveled and played on highschool team. She didn't play slow pitch. It destroyed timing and......

Would I get in trouble if I said that it was made up of a lot of girls that were scared to step into a fastpitch batter's box, or should I just keep that to myself?
 

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This first CWS trip by MSU will hopefully build momentum at the youth level in MS and give all these talented young girls more opportunities. God knows the talent in MS is there. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
 
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Money is a big problem too. There are no facilities that compare to the top states. USM has a terrible program
Sounds like somebody needs to get Brett Favre on the phone and see if he has any leftovers from the volleyball arena
 

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This first CWS trip by MSU will hopefully build momentum at the youth level in MS and give all these talented young girls more opportunities. God knows the talent in MS is there. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I know people hate to think of it this way, but also Ole Miss with their CWS run last year.

These things usually work in both directions.....a good grass roots base, and a concerted effort from the top down. Coaching staffs will need to invest in the talent, and it may be a multi-school effort. The only real coach to ever do this in MS has been Ron Polk. It certainly was never done in football. Jackson used to have a little bit of a basketball scene but that's gone now.

Guess it will depends on in the coaches, Ricketts in this case, is committed to living/building at MSU or trying to get the first ticket outta there. If it's the latter she'll just keep crootin out of state.
 
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I know people hate to think of it this way, but also Ole Miss with their CWS run last year.

These things usually work in both directions.....a good grass roots base, and a concerted effort from the top down. Coaching staffs will need to invest in the talent, and it may be a multi-school effort. The only real coach to ever do this in MS has been Ron Polk. It certainly was never done in football. Jackson used to have a little bit of a basketball scene but that's gone now.

Guess it will depends on in the coaches, Ricketts in this case, is committed to living/building at MSU or trying to get the first ticket outta there. If it's the latter she'll just keep crootin out of state.
Yep. Also, Southern Miss went in the late 90s before fastpitch was a recognized sport in MIssissippi.
 

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If MS wants to drag their feet collectively, and I’m not tying to put anyone specifically down by saying that… Coach Ricketts just needs to set up camp in South Texas for recruiting and she could build an absolute powerhouse. Texas, Texas A&M etc can’t sign them all and our new facility and campus would be an absolute dream to many of these players. Texas A&M softball stadium and facilities are first class, but MSU is absolutely gorgeous compared to UT, etc… got everything we need to build a powerhouse in this sport. Hopefully Coach Ricketts shares in the vision and we pay her accordingly.
 

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If MS wants to drag their feet collectively, and I’m not tying to put anyone specifically down by saying that… Coach Ricketts just needs to set up camp in South Texas for recruiting and she could build an absolute powerhouse. Texas, Texas A&M etc can’t sign them all and our new facility and campus would be an absolute dream to many of these players. Texas A&M softball stadium and facilities are first class, but MSU is absolutely gorgeous compared to UT, etc… got everything we need to build a powerhouse in this sport. Hopefully Coach Ricketts shares in the vision and we pay her accordingly.
Texas seems to be what California was from the 60s to 90s. A lot of good jobs, middle class affordable, lot of people moving there, so sports was a big deal and produced a lot of players. And a lot of smaller colleges benefitted (Pepperdine, Fullerton, Irvine, etc. along with the big ones). Except there ain't nothing else to do in Texas but play sports, so it obviously produces even more talent.

People in California have about gotten too rich to 17 with sports anymore. Though there's still plenty of pockets.
 
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Texas seems to be what California was from the 60s to 90s. A lot of good jobs, middle class affordable, lot of people moving there, so sports was a big deal and produced a lot of players. And a lot of smaller colleges benefitted (Pepperdine, Fullerton, Irvine, etc. along with the big ones). Except there ain't nothing else to do in Texas but play sports, so it obviously produces even more talent.

People in California have about gotten too rich to 17 with sports anymore. Though there's still plenty of pockets.
Nice. I have my next sociological deep dive. I think you nailed it.
 

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Nice. I have my next sociological deep dive. I think you nailed it.
Well you can add to that.

Considering the consolidation of power/NIL/exposure at the top, and the ease of travel around the country these days, you could say that the Big 4 schools will benefit, no matter what state. Whereas small local schools benefitted in California from the excess players, nowadays it may be teams in small markets like MSU/Ole Miss that benefit from the excess players in TX, GA, FL, etc. Especially among the well-to-do.
 

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Texas seems to be what California was from the 60s to 90s. A lot of good jobs, middle class affordable, lot of people moving there, so sports was a big deal and produced a lot of players. And a lot of smaller colleges benefitted (Pepperdine, Fullerton, Irvine, etc. along with the big ones). Except there ain't nothing else to do in Texas but play sports, so it obviously produces even more talent.

People in California have about gotten too rich to 17 with sports anymore. Though there's still plenty of pockets.
California people are pouring into South Texas I know that. I meet new ones all the time. They are super nice folks. I notice a TON of softball talent comes from CA.

A place like MSU offers so much. Took my family to Arizona State football game vs MSU in Starkville. I don’t try to influence them, but my daughter really wants to go to MSU even though Texas is all she knows. We’ve been to LSU, Oklahoma, Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas… her favorite is MSU by far, then LSU out of that group. Out of those schools MSU has one of the most fun softball experiences too.

Could absolutely 100% build a softball powerhouse in my humble opinion. Maybe that will be the most instrumental in growing the sport. Ole Miss winning too couldn’t hurt from an awareness perspective but I’m ok if that doesn’t happen.
 

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Well you can add to that.

Considering the consolidation of power/NIL/exposure at the top, and the ease of travel around the country these days, you could say that the Big 4 schools will benefit, no matter what state. Whereas small local schools benefitted in California from the excess players, nowadays it may be teams in small markets like MSU/Ole Miss that benefit from the excess players in TX, GA, FL, etc. Especially among the well-to-do.
There was a time where softball was a California and everyone else sport. The Pac 12 dominated for years because that's where the talent was. Now Texas and Florida have just as much or more talent than California.
 
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