UFO/aliens……

[mstateglfr]

All that plus the planetary position and star size, having a relatively massive moon that keeps the axial tilt stable for consistent climate and tides to keep the oceans churning, a massive Jupiter like planet nearby to act as a vacuum cleaner for comets and asteroids as well as stabilizing the Earth’s orbit, etc. It’s a tiny probability of all of that coming together to sustain life long enough to become ”advanced“, not to mention the likelihood of that life destroying itself and planet through war, etc.

Your comments, and comments from others in this thread, make it seem like you all only view possible extraterrestrial life as similar/same to humans and what we have on Earth.

Perhaps life was sparked and took hold differently.
Perhaps those conditions kept traditional warfare from taking hold.
Perhaps they have no legs and 3 arms.
Perhaps they stumbled into space travel through some fluke portal on their planet and they are real dummies.

 

[Baddog11]

After skimming over the released files, it seems the general consensus is that the uaps are surrounded by layers of gas that helps them move fast and protects them.

 

[Dawgbite]

The universe is just too big for there not to be some other form of life outside of this planet whether intelligent or not. I don’t believe we’re being visited from distant planets. If there has been any visitation it’s been inter dimensional travel rather than physical travel through time and space.

 

[JackShephard]

Yay or nay

Nay

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

I have to admit that verse in Genesis is wild. For the Nephilim to be mentioned that early in the Bible then hardly anything ever again is wild.

They were mentioned again in Numbers. The Rephaim and Anakin. Goliath, King Og and others. In 1st Samuel God instructed King Saul to destroy ALL of the Amalekites. Men, women, children and livestock. We can never know for sure, but a theory is that these Amalekites were descended from the Nephilim, and therefore, not human. The book of Enoch details all of this and is an extra biblical text that was referenced in the Bible. Of course, Enoch was taken by God and was Noah's great grandfather. I'd say Enoch was a reliable witness.

 

[thatsbaseball]

After skimming over the released files, it seems the general consensus is that the uaps are surrounded by layers of gas that helps them move fast and protects them.

Doesn't matter....... we can handle em .

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Definite nay, and I will not click/read/watch/give attention to anything saying otherwise.

 

[Motodawg]

Those things are secret aircrafts, and they are testing them by toying with our planes.

That makes absolutely no sense. You don’t spend billions to “toy” with other expensive weapons. You can’t even sneeze in the navy without tons of planning and paperwork and that’s where these videos come from, the navy.

 

[22yardpunt]

Am I the only one that’s sometimes concerned that Earth is flying though space at over 1 million MPH? It’s like we’re riding in a car backwards that is speeding and out of control - not a good feeling.

 

[ckDOG]

Am I the only one that’s sometimes concerned that Earth is flying though space at over 1 million MPH? It’s like we’re riding in a car backwards that is speeding and out of control - not a good feeling.

As long as we don't stop or hit anything I'm good with it.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

All that plus the planetary position and star size, having a relatively massive moon that keeps the axial tilt stable for consistent climate and tides to keep the oceans churning, a massive Jupiter like planet nearby to act as a vacuum cleaner for comets and asteroids as well as stabilizing the Earth’s orbit, etc. It’s a tiny probability of all of that coming together to sustain life long enough to become ”advanced“, not to mention the likelihood of that life destroying itself and planet through war, etc.

Goldilocks Zone

 

[GloryDawg]

That makes absolutely no sense. You don’t spend billions to “toy” with other expensive weapons. You can’t even sneeze in the navy without tons of planning and paperwork and that’s where these videos come from, the navy.

If they have experimental aircraft, they have to practice and test them. I remember sitting in a history class in high school back in 1883. Rumor got out that an invisible plane crashed. We joked about but it and did not believe it and a year later or so they introduced the Stealth Fighter. It makes sense. Our navy does it. Our own Submarines ghost our own ships for practice. Sometimes our ships figure it out and sometimes they don't. I was on a LPD and one morning we woke up and there was a US Destroyer, a US Frigate, a Sub hunting airplane flying over, two South Korean destroyers as escorts. I asked one of the sailors what was going on, and he said we were being tracked by a Submarine. We had a MPS ship with us and or LPD had 1800 marines on board. They did not know if it was ours or someone else. He said this happens all time. Turns out that time it was a North Korean Sub. They do it. I know they do it. Just because you are a F18 pilot doesn't mean you about top-secret aircraft.

 

[John Deaux VII]

If they have experimental aircraft, they have to practice and test them. I remember sitting in a history class in high school back in 1883. Rumor got out that an invisible plane crashed. We joked about but it and did not believe it and a year later or so they introduced the Stealth Fighter. It makes sense. Our navy does it. Our own Submarines ghost our own ships for practice. Sometimes our ships figure it out and sometimes they don't. I was on a LPD and one morning we woke up and there was a US Destroyer, a US Frigate, a Sub hunting airplane flying over, two South Korean destroyers as escorts. I asked one of the sailors what was going on, and he said we were being tracked by a Submarine. We had a MPS ship with us and or LPD had 1800 marines on board. They did not know if it was ours or someone else. He said this happens all time. Turns out that time it was a North Korean Sub. They do it. I know they do it. Just because you are a F18 pilot doesn't mean you about top-secret aircraft.

This is what I think is going on. We test them against our own planes and let the videos get out for plausible deniability and to troll the Chinese....

 

[Allday.sixpack]

The government cover up is real. Our dollar our economy our nation is based on the oil standard not gold. Any technology like anti gravity development will get your *** disappeared quick.
There’s too many pilots being told to STFU if you want to keep your flight status and pension.
Believe what you want, but the more quantum physics reveals, gravity and time don’t apply to all matter.
We are only designed to see a narrow spectrum of reality, I’m fine with it.

My faith in God provides me all the peace I need.

 

[John Deaux VII]

Doesn't matter....... we can handle em .
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I'm hoping to see this sight again a few days after the Egg Bowl....

 

[patdog]

Some of the members of the House Intelligence Committee have dropped hints on some of the more information that’s forthcoming that make it sound like whatever it is are trans dimensional beings. I’ll wait and see if the info ever actually comes out.

I’m in the maybe category. The numbers say there’s no way we aren’t alone in the universe. Out of the billions of stars in just the Milky Way alone the statistics say there’s some place out there like earth.

I’m a Christian and a day age creationist and it doesn’t shape or shake my faith. God created man in his own image, it doesn’t say he didn’t create anyone else and he could have created them way before he created us.

Also if there are visitors from other planets in our galaxy they aren’t going to just fly in with a space ship. They’re going to use something that can bend time or space to make the trip much shorter.

Not really. The probabilities get very small, very quickly. Let’s say the chances of a planet being in the ”Goldilocks Zone” of it’s star are 1 in a million, then let’s say the chances of that planet being the right size and having the essential components of life is 1 in a million, then the chances of that planet having the right neighbors to keep it’s rotation and orbit stable are 1 in a million, and that the proteins all coming together to sustain life is 1 in a million. That gives a 1 in 10^24 chance of intelligent life which is the estimated number of stars with planets in the universe. And there are more factors you can add to that. The math for us being alone does add up.

1 in a million for each of those is probably wildly optimistic. And your conclusion is wring anyway. By your match there is between 1-4 stars with intelligent life in the Milky Way.

 

[Trazom]

1 in a million for each of those is probably wildly optimistic. And your conclusion is wring anyway. By your match there is between 1-4 stars with intelligent life in the Milky Way.

0.0000001 x 0.0000001 x 0.0000001 x 0.0000001 = 1 x 10^-24 Explain where I’m wrong except the being overly optimistic about the 1 in a million chance. I’m saying that the odds for intelligent life are slim.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

0.0000001 x 0.0000001 x 0.0000001 x 0.0000001 = 1 x 10^-24 Explain where I’m wrong except the being overly optimistic about the 1 in a million chance. I’m saying that the odds for intelligent life are slim.

Is that the math for the Milky Way?

 

[Dawgbite]

Is that the math for the Milky Way?

Snickers. Definitely with nuts.

 

[Trazom]

Is that the math for the Milky Way?

10^24 (100 sextillion?) is the estimated number of stars with planets in the universe. You can find other estimates, but that’s what I went with. My point is that the probability numbers of intelligent life get really small really quick.

 

[Mjoelner]

Not 'yea' or 'nay' but 'probable'. I also lean to whatever it is being interdimensional rather than interstellar.

 

[aTotal360]

Not really. The probabilities get very small, very quickly. Let’s say the chances of a planet being in the ”Goldilocks Zone” of it’s star are 1 in a million, then let’s say the chances of that planet being the right size and having the essential components of life is 1 in a million, then the chances of that planet having the right neighbors to keep it’s rotation and orbit stable are 1 in a million, and that the proteins all coming together to sustain life is 1 in a million. That gives a 1 in 10^24 chance of intelligent life which is the estimated number of stars with planets in the universe. And there are more factors you can add to that. The math for us being alone does add up.

Stars - NASA Science

Astronomers estimate that the universe could contain up to one septillion stars – that’s a one followed by 24 zeros. Our Milky Way alone contains more than

science.nasa.gov

 

[Allday.sixpack]

The best description I’ve heard is to think of the universe as a book and we are a single page in that book. Other civilizations in other dimensions have the ability to leave their page and interact with ours.

 

[leeinator]

Careful.. I’m not sure everyone here believes in relativistic physics. E=MC2 is bunk.

I believe in physics, science, mathematics, etc. However, with that being said, science is basically man's language to explain God's great creation and how it works.

 

[willi13]

Deport them all

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

10^24 (100 sextillion?) is the estimated number of stars with planets in the universe. You can find other estimates, but that’s what I went with. My point is that the probability numbers of intelligent life get really small really quick.

So you don’t think there’s a chance that there’s intelligent life on another planet in a solar system around one of those septillion stars?

 

[Mobile Bay]

I’m a nay also. Not trying to start a fight,but, I believe in God,Jesus ,the Bible and am a creationist. That being the case, there are no aliens

I don't recall anything in the bible saying we are God's only creation.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Ask those two dudes that were “abducted”while sitting on a pier on the coast of MS if they think UFO’s and aliens exist?
I once knew a girl at State from
Gulf Breeze, FL and she was convinced UFO’s were real.
She was blonde so that may have to factor into it some.

Gulf Breeze is also within seconds of flight time to Eglin AFB, Pensacola NAS, and the Gulf of Mexico. All great places to test super secret squirrel aircraft.

 

[Mobile Bay]

If they have experimental aircraft, they have to practice and test them. I remember sitting in a history class in high school back in 1883. Rumor got out that an invisible plane crashed. We joked about but it and did not believe it and a year later or so they introduced the Stealth Fighter. It makes sense. Our navy does it. Our own Submarines ghost our own ships for practice. Sometimes our ships figure it out and sometimes they don't. I was on a LPD and one morning we woke up and there was a US Destroyer, a US Frigate, a Sub hunting airplane flying over, two South Korean destroyers as escorts. I asked one of the sailors what was going on, and he said we were being tracked by a Submarine. We had a MPS ship with us and or LPD had 1800 marines on board. They did not know if it was ours or someone else. He said this happens all time. Turns out that time it was a North Korean Sub. They do it. I know they do it. Just because you are a F18 pilot doesn't mean you about top-secret aircraft.

Damn you are old.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

I don't recall anything in the bible saying we are God's only creation.

I don’t recall there being anything in the Bible that we weren’t. And, don’t you think that if he did it would be in Bible?

 

[patdog]

If they have experimental aircraft, they have to practice and test them. I remember sitting in a history class in high school back in 1883. Rumor got out that an invisible plane crashed. We joked about but it and did not believe it and a year later or so they introduced the Stealth Fighter. It makes sense. Our navy does it. Our own Submarines ghost our own ships for practice. Sometimes our ships figure it out and sometimes they don't. I was on a LPD and one morning we woke up and there was a US Destroyer, a US Frigate, a Sub hunting airplane flying over, two South Korean destroyers as escorts. I asked one of the sailors what was going on, and he said we were being tracked by a Submarine. We had a MPS ship with us and or LPD had 1800 marines on board. They did not know if it was ours or someone else. He said this happens all time. Turns out that time it was a North Korean Sub. They do it. I know they do it. Just because you are a F18 pilot doesn't mean you about top-secret aircraft.

I saw the stealth bomber at an air show at JAN way back in the day. It was pretty freaking impressive. Even knowing it was coming & where it was coming from it was hard to see until it got almost overhead. And it was almost completely silent. Just a slight woosh sound as it passed right over us.

 

[Mobile Bay]

I don’t recall there being anything in the Bible that we weren’t. And, don’t you think that if he did it would be in Bible?

Don't know. Lots of stuff isn't in the bible. The bible never mentions that water consists of two Hydrogen molecules and one Oxygen, for example. The bible just tells us what's important.

 

[Trazom]

So you don’t think there’s a chance that there’s intelligent life on another planet in a solar system around one of those septillion stars?

I honestly don’t know, but conventional wisdom is that there has to be, but if you look at the probability of everything coming together perfectly, it’s is likely there is only one. I’m a believer in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and hope I get the answer to that question when my time comes. But all faith aside, it’s remarkable that we are here chatting on a message board. The conditions just have to be so perfect that even with those big numbers of stars with planets that the chance is so small.

We look at that vastness and say we can’t be alone, but when you consider all the things that have to get just right, you can see that it’s possible we are alone.

I just asked a ”premium” AI with 16 separate agents working together on this question, and it agreed with the conventional wisdom that we are not likely alone, but finished with this

”Even if these Rare Earth filters reduce the per-planet odds dramatically (e.g., by factors of 10⁻⁹ to 10⁻¹² for full intelligence + technology), the total number of opportunities (~10²²–10²⁴ stars/planets) still yields many potential sites unless the combined probability is astronomically small”.

Which is exactly what I’m saying. The combined probability may be astronomically small.

 

[patdog]

I honestly don’t know, but conventional wisdom is that there has to be, but if you look at the probability of everything coming together perfectly, it’s is likely there is only one. I’m a believer in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and hope I get the answer to that question when my time comes. But all faith aside, it’s remarkable that we are here chatting on a message board. The conditions just have to be so perfect that even with those big numbers of stars with planets that the chance is so small.

We look at that vastness and say we can’t be alone, but when you consider all the things that have to get just right, you can see that it’s possible we are alone.

I just asked a ”premium” AI with 16 separate agents working together on this question, and it agreed with the conventional wisdom that we are not likely alone, but finished with this

”Even if these Rare Earth filters reduce the per-planet odds dramatically (e.g., by factors of 10⁻⁹ to 10⁻¹² for full intelligence + technology), the total number of opportunities (~10²²–10²⁴ stars/planets) still yields many potential sites unless the combined probability is astronomically small”.

Which is exactly what I’m saying. The combined probability may be astronomically small.

My best guess. It very well may be that intelligent life is unique to earth. If not it’s almost certainly astronomically small. Simple single celled life may very well be common. Simple life existed on earth for 4 billion years before the Cambrian Explosion just 540 million years ago when complex life just exploded & created every phylum of life we seem today in only 25 million years (a blink of an eye on cosmic time scales). We have zero clue how or why this explosion of complex life happened. The possibility it was God can’t be discounted.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

My best guess. It very well may be that intelligent life is unique to earth. If not it’s almost certainly astronomically small. Simple single celled life may very well be common. Simple life existed on earth for 4 billion years before the Cambrian Explosion just 540 million years ago when complex life just exploded & created every phylum of life we seem today in only 25 million years (a blink of an eye on cosmic time scales). We have zero clue how or why this explosion of complex life happened. The possibility it was God can’t be discounted.

Ok Leonard

 

[John Deaux VII]

I don’t recall there being anything in the Bible that we weren’t. And, don’t you think that if he did it would be in Bible?

There are all kinds of items and concepts that exist but are not referenced in the Bible.

 

[Zarbok]

The universe is simply too big to believe we're the only ones

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

There are all kinds of items and concepts that exist but are not referenced in the Bible.

Apples and oranges kid

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I waited to see how this thread survived. All I will say is I am a dumb hillbilly. There's no telling what is up there out there. We are dumb enough to believe that we are the only thing in the universe.

ETA- I don't think we could even recognize what could be in our universe. Just like I don't believe we would know God if we saw it.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

If an intelligent race had the ability to travel one one hundredth the speed of light (.01C) you're looking at the ability to traverse the Milky Way in 10 million years. At .001C 100 million years. To colonize the galaxy, <50 and <500 million years respectively.

The Milky Way is old enough to have seen 26 separate colonization events if it took 500 million years and 260 events at 50 million years. And at that level of technological achievement they should have known Earth was in a zone where they probably needed to leave some evidence they were here or communicate with it directly.

Modern humans have been around less than 300,000 years and we have recently achieved maps of the entire visible universe. If we're around in another 300,000 years the level of technological advancement will be staggering. I think it's safe to assume we're alone in this galaxy even if it can't be strictly falsified.