When Did Politics Become Our Entire Identity?

alaskanseminole

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As a Christian and former Republican who's now an Independent, I've really been thinking lately about how divided we've allowed ourselves to become over politics. ...especially, since migrating over to this board and it's really not different from HROT (outside the gawd-awful orange). Honestly I don't even think most Americans are nearly as far apart as SM, MSM and message boards make it seem.

It feels like somewhere along the way politics stopped being about disagreements over policy and started becoming team jersey identity...quite literally us vs them or the dumber "good vs evil". We've gotten to the point where people assume your entire worldview, intelligence and even character is based on who you voted for. :rolleyes:

Doesn't the data point to most people actually living somewhere in the middle? Personally, I still lean fiscally conservative. I think national debt matters. I think government waste is real (Huey and I once had a great conversation about defense spending). I think endless spending from BOTH parties eventually catches up to us.
But I also think its reasonable discuss out of control healthcare costs and whether corporations have too much influence (look'n ast you, Big 3!).

As I said in the mosque shooting thread, I'm a strong 2A supporter. I grew up around guns, respect responsible ownership &absolutely believe Americans have a constitutional right to defend themselves. BUT I also don't think every single discussion about gun safety automatically equals "they’re coming for your guns." I think there's room for adults to talk about mental health, enforcement failures and realistic safeguards without instantly treating each other like we're frack'n enemies.

Same thing with abortion. I'm personally pro-life morally and spiritually but I also recognize that many Americans wrestle with incredibly difficult situations that don't fit into my belief system.

Sadly, being moderate or in the middle or whatever doesn't generate clicks. Outrage does and we've pretty much allowed ourselves to become emotionally manipulated into constant outrage. Anyone remember the Manatee Gray color "controversy" at Target a few years back? Geebus.

Ithink it's obvious how we got here, but how to we get away from it?

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Moral

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Part of the divide is that it isn't actually just politics. Maga has gone so far of the rails that the difference is a matter of principles and morals. If you are part of a movement that tries to gaslight J6 into being nothing, or if you are a maga that vanishes as part of a cult coping mechanism if someone brings up something indefensible like the current slush fund, crypto scam, phone scam etc then you can go shove it.

At some point, it stops being politics when the threat of the desired form of governance is facing an existential threat.

Abortion rights, 2A, or many of our old faithful dividing lines seem like mere quibbles compared to letting a billionaire vacuum up our government data and letting him kill agencies that were investigating him.

tl;dr the division is between people for representative democracy and cultists leading us away from that version of democracy.
 

Moral

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It started when Fox News/Rush Limbaugh started their daily lying to the public. A second reality was created. I wish people would go back and read Al Franken's 2004 book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them". He was calling out Fox BS way back then.

The Telecommunications Act of 96 signed by Clinton really ended up being one of the most damaging things signed in the modern era. It lead to the creating of Fox News, as well as massive media consolidation. Bill Clinton really doesn't get enough shid.
 

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The Telecommunications Act of 96 signed by Clinton really ended up being one of the most damaging things signed in the modern era. It lead to the creating of Fox News, as well as massive media consolidation. Bill Clinton really doesn't get enough shid.
Not defending Clinton but who wrote the bill that was signed into law?
 

Moral

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Not defending Clinton but who wrote the bill that was signed into law?

I believe it was introduced by Republicans. If I had to guess who wrote it, probably corporate lawyers and Republicans. NAFTA was the same situation. I'm not sure on permanent normalized trade relations with China but I bet it is a similar situation.
 

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Moral just proved he is part of the problem, completely brainwashed
Here’s an example, Alaska.

Why would anyone not in the MAGA cult want to invest any time in getting to know Eddie or Riveting? Even if you had some things in common, they hold entirely different beliefs and values. If you’re not related to them or work with them, your life is better to never voluntarily interact with them.
 
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Part of the divide is that it isn't actually just politics. Maga has gone so far of the rails that the difference is a matter of principles and morals. If you are part of a movement that tries to gaslight J6 into being nothing, or if you are a maga that vanishes as part of a cult coping mechanism if someone brings up something indefensible like the current slush fund, crypto scam, phone scam etc then you can go shove it.

At some point, it stops being politics when the threat of the desired form of governance is facing an existential threat.

Abortion rights, 2A, or many of our old faithful dividing lines seem like mere quibbles compared to letting a billionaire vacuum up our government data and letting him kill agencies that were investigating him.

tl;dr the division is between people for representative democracy and cultists leading us away from that version of democracy.
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When we developed the means and technology for everyone to broadcast an opinion about everything in real time. Politics is the one thing that affects all of us, and it is easy to find a team. People like to feel included, and they like to feel like they have the spotlight. Any moron can have an opinion about anything now. In an incredibly noisy social environment, it has trained many of us to just become louder. Society ******* blows now, and there is no going back. I for one have deleted Twitter and Facebook. It has been incredibly refreshing because the only time I find out someone is a retard is when they drive the way I think they shouldn't drive.
 

Riveting

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Here’s an example, Alaska.

Why would anyone not in the MAGA cult want to invest any time in getting to know Eddie or Riveting? Even if you had some things in common, they hold entirely different beliefs and values. If you’re not related to them or work with them, your life is better to never voluntarily interact with them.
What are the entirely different beliefs and values?
 

alaskanseminole

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Here’s an example, Alaska.

Why would anyone not in the MAGA cult want to invest any time in getting to know Eddie or Riveting? Even if you had some things in common, they hold entirely different beliefs and values. If you’re not related to them or work with them, your life is better to never voluntarily interact with them.
If we don't make an effort to find common ground, things will never improve. I at least put forth an effort.
 

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I would be fine if we had red or blue wrist bands. Would save time.
I'm reminded of an episode of Babylon 5. I asked Gemini to track it down for me. Here's Gemini's description....

That memorable conflict happens in Season 2, Episode 3: "The Geometry of Shadows."

The alien species is the Drazi. Every five years, their entire population randomly divides into two factions by drawing either a green or purple sash out of a barrel. They then engage in a station-wide brawl to determine which color will form their government for the next five years.

Commander Susan Ivanova gets stuck with the unfortunate job of trying to break up the fights on Babylon 5, which goes about as smoothly as you'd expect—until she figures out a loophole in the Drazi rules of combat.
 
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Riveting

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That you are still willing to support a lying, corrupt, abusive felon for President, and cheer on his every move, tells me all in need to know about you.
Don't pretend (I hope) to be so naive. You supported a corrupt, lying, incompetent senile guy in 2020 who did great damage to our nation. Then you supported his DEI vice puppet who said she would have done nothing differently from the corrupt, lying, incompetent senile guy.
 

RockyMtNole

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Don't pretend (I hope) to be so naive. You supported a corrupt, lying, incompetent senile guy in 2020 who did great damage to our nation. Then you supported his DEI vice puppet who said she would have done nothing differently from the corrupt, lying, incompetent senile guy.
I have no doubt you believe all that. Exactly why I said I would want nothing to do with you personally. And why I believe there is no common ground.
 

Bro D

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Speak for yourself

The loud minority of each side are the ones who have no identity other than politics
 

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If we don't make an effort to find common ground, things will never improve. I at least put forth an effort.
There are only a handful of actual posters on this site. The rest are trolls.

but to answer the question, I agree with much of what is already said. I think another aspect is people never wanting to admin fault. The tunnel vision is real and it comes from both sides.
 

alaskanseminole

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Are you claiming you don't believe Biden was a corrupt, lying, incompetent, senile president?
I think it's fair to understand there is a certain level of lying and corruption that takes place in every administration. You don't get to the WH w/o it. Sadly, at this point we're looking at levels of corruption and its impact on the US. Also, pointing to past corruption shouldn't excuse current corruption. We don't get to tell the cop, "But officer, didn't you see how fast the other guy was driving?!"
 

FLaw47

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As a Christian and former Republican who's now an Independent, I've really been thinking lately about how divided we've allowed ourselves to become over politics. ...especially, since migrating over to this board and it's really not different from HROT (outside the gawd-awful orange). Honestly I don't even think most Americans are nearly as far apart as SM, MSM and message boards make it seem.

It feels like somewhere along the way politics stopped being about disagreements over policy and started becoming team jersey identity...quite literally us vs them or the dumber "good vs evil". We've gotten to the point where people assume your entire worldview, intelligence and even character is based on who you voted for. :rolleyes:

Doesn't the data point to most people actually living somewhere in the middle? Personally, I still lean fiscally conservative. I think national debt matters. I think government waste is real (Huey and I once had a great conversation about defense spending). I think endless spending from BOTH parties eventually catches up to us.
But I also think its reasonable discuss out of control healthcare costs and whether corporations have too much influence (look'n ast you, Big 3!).

As I said in the mosque shooting thread, I'm a strong 2A supporter. I grew up around guns, respect responsible ownership &absolutely believe Americans have a constitutional right to defend themselves. BUT I also don't think every single discussion about gun safety automatically equals "they’re coming for your guns." I think there's room for adults to talk about mental health, enforcement failures and realistic safeguards without instantly treating each other like we're frack'n enemies.

Same thing with abortion. I'm personally pro-life morally and spiritually but I also recognize that many Americans wrestle with incredibly difficult situations that don't fit into my belief system.

Sadly, being moderate or in the middle or whatever doesn't generate clicks. Outrage does and we've pretty much allowed ourselves to become emotionally manipulated into constant outrage. Anyone remember the Manatee Gray color "controversy" at Target a few years back? Geebus.

Ithink it's obvious how we got here, but how to we get away from it?

Truth Feeling GIF by Team Kennedy

The "problem" is that the parties are much more ideologically sorted now and, with that, comes value sorting as well. If I spend an hour with someone talking about nothing political, I can probably guess their left/right lean with >75% accuracy. It wasn't always this way (to be clear, I'm not sure that political sorting is actually bad, it's not clear to me at all what the value of parties that aren't ideologically sorted is).

There are values I have that are very important to me that aren't shared by large portion of the people who vote differently than I do. In summary, politics themselves aren't my identity by the do reflect my values quite a bit and the values of myself and of others are an important consideration in how much of a relationship I want to have with them.
 

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Corrupt, no
Lying? He made up a lot of stuff about his past. I don’t believe he lied about material matters
Incompetent? No
Senile? No - he is surely on the track with some dementia or age-related incapacities.
Therein is the problem with you - and others like you on this forum.

You refuse to see and understand what is right in front of you. You are so mind-locked you cannot even recognize Biden lied in front of the nation about the laptop so he could get elected. Was that not a material matter - getting elected?
 

Moral

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If we don't make an effort to find common ground, things will never improve. I at least put forth an effort.

Common ground can be found with politically apathetic people or people that hardly follow politics. Common ground can also be found between progressives and libertarians over some topics. It's really easy to find common ground with seemingly normal people. It is not worth it to waste time to find common ground with maga.

We are over a decade into Trump and the maga cult, and any of them that haven't walked away at this point should be left to themselves to maybe figure it out. If they start to pull away and are willing to listen then I can be understanding and maybe introduce some concepts. Otherwise magas are too far gone and not worth such effort.

One of the interesting divides is that the world is essentially in agreement that Gaza is a genocide. They basically check every box for genocide, but it took a really long time for people in the US to even consider having that thought, and even longer for people to finally catch on to the parasitic Israel relationship. I say it is interesting because we are funding genocide and there isn't much middle ground between funding a genocide or not funding one. I would call seriously into question the ethics of someone wanting to continue funding Israel with everything we know now.

Speak for yourself

The loud minority of each side are the ones who have no identity other than politics

Horseshoe theory is dumb. People in the middle helped lead us to where we are now. It certainly wasn't progressives because they essentially pass nothing.

Being politically middling doesn't guarantee identity and it could very well be that they have no personality at all. Being far left certainly doesn't stop anyone from having an identity. There are a bunch of far left musicians, artists, comedians, etc.
 

tarheelbybirth1

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As a Christian and former Republican who's now an Independent, I've really been thinking lately about how divided we've allowed ourselves to become over politics. ...especially, since migrating over to this board and it's really not different from HROT (outside the gawd-awful orange). Honestly I don't even think most Americans are nearly as far apart as SM, MSM and message boards make it seem.

It feels like somewhere along the way politics stopped being about disagreements over policy and started becoming team jersey identity...quite literally us vs them or the dumber "good vs evil". We've gotten to the point where people assume your entire worldview, intelligence and even character is based on who you voted for. :rolleyes:

Doesn't the data point to most people actually living somewhere in the middle? Personally, I still lean fiscally conservative. I think national debt matters. I think government waste is real (Huey and I once had a great conversation about defense spending). I think endless spending from BOTH parties eventually catches up to us.
But I also think its reasonable discuss out of control healthcare costs and whether corporations have too much influence (look'n ast you, Big 3!).

As I said in the mosque shooting thread, I'm a strong 2A supporter. I grew up around guns, respect responsible ownership &absolutely believe Americans have a constitutional right to defend themselves. BUT I also don't think every single discussion about gun safety automatically equals "they’re coming for your guns." I think there's room for adults to talk about mental health, enforcement failures and realistic safeguards without instantly treating each other like we're frack'n enemies.

Same thing with abortion. I'm personally pro-life morally and spiritually but I also recognize that many Americans wrestle with incredibly difficult situations that don't fit into my belief system.

Sadly, being moderate or in the middle or whatever doesn't generate clicks. Outrage does and we've pretty much allowed ourselves to become emotionally manipulated into constant outrage. Anyone remember the Manatee Gray color "controversy" at Target a few years back? Geebus.

Ithink it's obvious how we got here, but how to we get away from it?

Truth Feeling GIF by Team Kennedy


Gingrich actively promoted non-cooperation and the weaponizing of issues to build GOP representation. If there is a single individual who bears a lion's share of the blame, it's him.
 

alaskanseminole

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Therein is the problem with you - and others like you on this forum.

You refuse to see and understand what is right in front of you. You are so mind-locked you cannot even recognize Biden lied in front of the nation about the laptop so he could get elected. Was that not a material matter - getting elected?
Okay, let's play this out. I'll go full in on what you want to see from the left:


Corrupt? YES
Lying? YES
Incompetent? YES
Senile? YES

Now, if every person from the left could/would give you that satisfaction, can you explain how it justifies Trump's corruption? Will we ever get an Administration that breaks the cycle? Do you want the cycle broken?