CNN obtained the DNC's 2024 autopsy
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Just missed the obvious factor...there's a significant percentage of voters that will never vote for a female, much less a Black one.
"Suggests a shift away from identity politics and towards middle-class appeal"
Glad to see that Dems were quick to implement this recommended fix...
Glad to see that Dems were quick to implement this recommended fix...
Ive said it before and I will say it again. If the dems dont have an obama esq midterm the dem party is going to fracture and Joe Biden will be the fall guy.
The only thread that group of people commonly hold is dominant white males are bad.
The only thread that group of people commonly hold is dominant white males are bad.
I’m glad to see that in the last 16 months the GOP has completely ignored the reason they were elected.
Look where their identity politics have gotten us.
Kamala ran to the middle and campaigned with people like Liz Cheney. She stayed away from the Palestine genocide which drove some people away. Identity politics appeared to be nowhere near a focus for her campaign and she still somehow managed the third most popular votes ever.
Meanwhile the right had cultivated this huge social media and online news ecosystem which helped groom young zoomer men into magas which it seems some have woken up from.
The left will not have the benefit of the financial backing to create that sort of ecosystem so they will have to win by policy and use the threat of going for the neck of corruption maga politicians when they get in power.
Meanwhile the right had cultivated this huge social media and online news ecosystem which helped groom young zoomer men into magas which it seems some have woken up from.
The left will not have the benefit of the financial backing to create that sort of ecosystem so they will have to win by policy and use the threat of going for the neck of corruption maga politicians when they get in power.
The GOP's ability to convince so many voters that "identity politics" was something actively threatening to them remains amazing to me --- best boogeyman they ever came up with ---- particularly the trans-phobia that literally impacts less than 1% of the population.
I took a gander at the CNN piece earlier this morning. A couple of observations and thoughts.
1. The excerpts of the report itself struck me as rather breezy, in a way that's pretty typical for a draft. Very thin on specific strategic or tactical recommendations. In addition, I don't know who the author is or what they're doing now, but there was something of a "knives are out" quality to it which is probably typical among the political consultant class as they look to their next election gig. Just seemed shockingly incomplete for something that is a year and a half out. And lots of odd and very "defensive" annotations in the excerpts.
2. That led me to wonder why even release "this" document "now" - approaching two years after the election - in this form? At the risk of stepping into the trap the report itself calls out about party previously taking things for granted, my working hypothesis is, frankly, they don't actually "need" this autopsy anymore. That is, there's just not much to learn from 2024 in terms of going-forward lessons. Aside from the one-time Biden-Harris dynamic, Trump 2.0 has been so over the top that the "old" lessons may not even make sense any more in terms of how the party will approach 2028. I mean, it's obvious that the message will/should be TrumpTrumpTrump all the time, barring something truly earth shattering occurring between 2026-28. Indeed, I think it'd be pretty stupid for them to seek to impeach him if they win the house and/or senate, because politically/campaign-wise, you want people to be reminded of him every day and twice on Sunday.
1. The excerpts of the report itself struck me as rather breezy, in a way that's pretty typical for a draft. Very thin on specific strategic or tactical recommendations. In addition, I don't know who the author is or what they're doing now, but there was something of a "knives are out" quality to it which is probably typical among the political consultant class as they look to their next election gig. Just seemed shockingly incomplete for something that is a year and a half out. And lots of odd and very "defensive" annotations in the excerpts.
2. That led me to wonder why even release "this" document "now" - approaching two years after the election - in this form? At the risk of stepping into the trap the report itself calls out about party previously taking things for granted, my working hypothesis is, frankly, they don't actually "need" this autopsy anymore. That is, there's just not much to learn from 2024 in terms of going-forward lessons. Aside from the one-time Biden-Harris dynamic, Trump 2.0 has been so over the top that the "old" lessons may not even make sense any more in terms of how the party will approach 2028. I mean, it's obvious that the message will/should be TrumpTrumpTrump all the time, barring something truly earth shattering occurring between 2026-28. Indeed, I think it'd be pretty stupid for them to seek to impeach him if they win the house and/or senate, because politically/campaign-wise, you want people to be reminded of him every day and twice on Sunday.
It really is strange how consistently, how rapidly, and how massively, political parties routinely overreach once installed in office. Political debts have to be paid, I suppose. One of the reasons Clinton was successful, IMO, is that he brought a pro (gergen) in to run the shop and rather than letting the lunatics run the asylum. That was the ultimate achilles heel of the Biden WH IMO, as it was reinforced by his cognitive isolation.
She didn't need to campaign on it. She was born out of identity politics. Biden appointed her because she was a minority woman. He appointed a female, minority lesbian as a WH spokesperson because she was a minority, lesbian. He appointed a gay transportation secretary because he was gay and a trans Health secretary because she was trans. Harris chose lunatic Tim Walz as VP because Shapiro was Jewish.
The thing I didn't see listed was their three years of proclaiming there was "no issue at the border". No one beside them belived that and after seeing how they handled year four, not even they believed it. Every important decision Biden had to make, his people forced through the filter of "how can we appease the oppressed" first.
She didn't have to campaign on identity politics because it was in her genetic code.
It’s a fair point about identify politics. I’m not sure either party will completely learn their lesson.
But here we are with sky high energy/food prices, high mortgage rates, and an extremely unpopular war and we’re just playing the hits
And yet they were ALL massively better at the jobs than ANYONE in the Trump administration. By very large margins.
F.ucking let that sink in.
Lol. You still knighting for Tim Walz? Good one.
I already know what your algorithm looks like. No need to keep proving it.
There is zero chance that the democrats will move away from identity politics.
Even less chance that they move in the direction of "middle-class appeal"....
Well then, in your opinion, since she already had a foot in the door why wasn't she able to get her whole body in?
Very, very politely said.
She has been rumored to be the leading candidate for 2028 by some. Ut, oh!!!
The left's outright refusal to abandon identity politics or the trans movement is the fault of democrats and nobody else. No matter how many times you guys cry about the right bringing it up and claiming it "isn't a big deal" you just refuse to abandon the insanity. Republicans are 100% correct to mock you idiots for it and make it a front and center issue (because it is)
Also important:
- Harris assuming the nomination rather than being chosen by the voters to represent them in the election.
- The Dems putting up candidates like Hillary and Harris more because it's "their turn" rather than because people think they're great candidates, or because they have the best chance of winning.
If they could actually find candidates that are just plain likeable across different groups, that would be a start. Be nice and plain spoken and talk honestly about the important issues that affect most all the people, ignoring those that don't. Quit giving Reps easy commercial fodder by spending time talking about fringe issues that don't bring anyone in, but risk turning lots of people away.
My favorite tampon tim quote is still "I have become friends with school shooters"
Dems sure do know how to pick em lol
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one other reason was that after republicans took the house - after 40 some years of Democrat control - Clinton pivoted more to the center. He was smart. He saw where the electorate was going and made a similar move.
You waiting for me to disagree? He made a comment and I responded to that specific comment. And I'll give you 2 of the four but KJP and Walz were NOT better than their Trump counterparts. The others fine, but Walz and KJP were disasters for their bosses.
Hey...projection! Nice. Pretend it's me living in a echo chamber while spewing nonsense only someone living in an echo chamber would say. As you would say...that tracks!
You could go to a homeless encampment and get better candidates for at least half of the jobs Trump has filled.
A monkey on ritalin would be a better secretary of defense.
An ex heroin junkie with brain worms who eats road kill could be health secretary . . . oh wait.