***CC22 and the Fever mega thread***

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Then, it would be reasonable for you to consider the possibility that you didn't see read those threads.

See read, huh?................

Don't post often about women's basketball,

Only when there's a convenient opportunity for you to be antagonistic.

but had the discussion on the women's forum, in women's threads before the women's forum, and in a men's thread, as I recall.

I've followed the Hawkeye women my whole life, the WNBA since its inception, and a decent amount of women's college ball before that.

I'm not sure what your problem is with it anyway.

Read better, then.....

I was only saying what was obvious to anyone who knew a darn thing. CC was not the greatest women's basketball player of all-time.

Not was......................IS.

My main point has always been how much I hate the goat crowing craze.

Lead with that and base your argument around that then...........even if it's not original.

I also warned how it would end up with CC having to incur unessecary challenges in her pro career.

Might want to calm down a little, bro.

Says the old man crying about fans calling Caitlin Clark the greatest women's basketball player in college basketball history, and yes it was college because nobody cared about the WNBA. Regardless of what you thought, at the very least, it was always implied and everyone, except you, operated under that assumption. Deal with it.......

You're literally arguing with me about what my own actions were

I'm arguing with you about:

 

[TJ8869]

"One of the best" is not a GOAT conversation either

I’ve only been here a couple weeks and it looks like I’ve already identified this board’s equivalent of Joes Place.

 

[Tenacious E_rivals41982]

Unsolicited, in post #3703, Monkey conjured up what amounts to a mischaracterization of thoughts I've expressed in the current women's thread on the men's forum.

The resulting string of messages between Monkey and I can be seen in this thread. And the nature of the backhistory can be found in the "Fire Stephanie White" thread, if it's of that much importance to you. Which I'm not sure why it would be

In response to my question "Why are you trying to be so annoying?" I thought I was "the guy" in your statement: "A guy taking a shot at me, as a carry over from another thread". I did not realize you had the self awareness that you were being annoying, or that the "other guy" comment was not directed at me.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Unsolicited

in post #3703, Monkey conjured up what amounts to a mischaracterization of thoughts I've expressed in the current women's thread on the men's forum.

There were no lies told in post #3,703 though.........

 

[eyesofhawk]

See read, huh?................


Only when there's a convenient opportunity for you to be antagonistic.

Read better, then.....

Not was......................IS.

Lead with that and base your argument around that then...........even if it's not original.

Says the old man crying about fans calling Caitlin Clark the greatest women's basketball player in college basketball history, and yes it was college because nobody cared about the WNBA. Regardless of what you thought, at the very least, it was always implied and everyone, except you, operated under that assumption. Deal with it.......

I'm arguing with you about:

Tripling down on arguing with me about my own actions. How embarrassing.

And so the WNBA players were clear about the "college implication" too, right? Stop

 

[eyesofhawk]

In response to my question "Why are you trying to be so annoying?" I thought I was "the guy" in your statement: "A guy taking a shot at me, as a carry over from another thread". I did not realize you had the self awareness that you were being annoying, or that the "other guy" comment was not directed at me.

Aware enough to realize that you were annoyed

 

[eyesofhawk]

There were no lies told in post #3,703 though.........

You're kind of weird, man

 

[Hawksfor3]

We got ourselves an insider - spill the tea!

Are the Fever hiding yet another injury only to be revealed at a later time? SMH.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

Went back and looked at the play by play in the 4th. Clark was subbed out at the 7:53 mark. Never went back in. She was cooking and on her way to a triple double. Subbed with 8 minutes left. Should have left her in longer. She is the starting PG after all. She's fully healthy to play for goodness sake.

Looks like I'm perhaps one of the few who are with you on this one.

Caitlin only played 24 minutes. I know SW has other considerations certainly than Caitlin's line, but I would have liked to see Caitlin play, say, 5 more minutes. If she was still three away at that point give her the hook. Otherwise let her play it out.

Ofc, we don't want to overtax Caitlin but trip-dub opportunities aren't that plentiful. Been over a year since she had one. YES, she was injured most of that time but injuries, especially in the W, aren't uncommon unfortunately.

That said, I can certainly see erring on the side of caution. Not an easy call.

 

[chipackhawk]

Looks like I'm perhaps one of the few who are with you on this one.

Caitlin only played 24 minutes. I know SW has other considerations certainly than Caitlin's line, but I would have liked to see Caitlin play, say, 5 more minutes. If she was still three away at that point give her the hook. Otherwise let her play it out.

Ofc, we don't want to overtax Caitlin but trip-dub opportunities aren't that plentiful. Been over a year since she had one. YES, she was injured most of that time but injuries, especially in the W, aren't uncommon unfortunately.

That said, I can certainly see erring on the side of caution. Not an easy call.

The last thing a coach should ever be worried about is whether or not one of the players gets a triple double. It's a stat and nothing more. They are obviously trying to manage her minutes and ultimately the amount of contact she receives on a nightly basis. It's smart coaching.

 

[The Big Z]

The last thing a coach should ever be worried about is whether or not one of the players gets a triple double. It's a stat and nothing more. They are obviously trying to manage her minutes and ultimately the amount of contact she receives on a nightly basis. It's smart coaching.

1000% this. We bag on White for playing her to much and now we're bagging on her for not playing her enough. Seattle is a bad team and they got an easy win with her playing only 24 minutes and Boston out. This was a total win win situation.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Looks like I'm perhaps one of the few who are with you on this one.

Caitlin only played 24 minutes. I know SW has other considerations certainly than Caitlin's line, but I would have liked to see Caitlin play, say, 5 more minutes. If she was still three away at that point give her the hook. Otherwise let her play it out.

Ofc, we don't want to overtax Caitlin but trip-dub opportunities aren't that plentiful. Been over a year since she had one. YES, she was injured most of that time but injuries, especially in the W, aren't uncommon unfortunately.

That said, I can certainly see erring on the side of caution. Not an easy call.

I agree. A poster said earlier in the thread that there will be more opportunities for triple doubles in the future, but like you said, they don't come around that often, and they won't if White keeps pulling Clark out with abundant minutes left in games. Clark was pulled right after she blocked Heideman's layup attempt. Your starting PG who went off in all categories, playing just 24 minutes, and getting shut down with 8 minutes remaining in regulation, is beyond belief. I believe in some caution as well, however, I have not heard of any lingering issues or new injuries, unless the staff is being mum once again with her injury status. If she's indeed healthy and cleared for play, then she should play more regardless of the lead going into the 4th quarter.

Hines-Allen and Mitchell had more minutes than Clark, and played more in the 4th quarter as well. Even Sophie coming off the bench, who I really like and glad she had a nice offensive game, had a minute more than Clark. Not quibbling about that. Glad for her. But, White and January were at odds with Clark on the bench at one point, and White and Clark had an exchange during play. I think there's a huge disconnect between a couple of coaches and Clark, and I really hope that's all there is to that. Otherwise, I can see Clark getting out of there sometime in the not too distant future (contract permitting).

 

[Hawksfor3]

See read, huh?................


Only when there's a convenient opportunity for you to be antagonistic.

Read better, then.....

Not was......................IS.

Lead with that and base your argument around that then...........even if it's not original.

Says the old man crying about fans calling Caitlin Clark the greatest women's basketball player in college basketball history, and yes it was college because nobody cared about the WNBA. Regardless of what you thought, at the very least, it was always implied and everyone, except you, operated under that assumption. Deal with it.......

I'm arguing with you about:

Will there be a Season 2? Lol.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

The last thing a coach should ever be worried about is whether or not one of the players gets a triple double. It's a stat and nothing more. They are obviously trying to manage her minutes and ultimately the amount of contact she receives on a nightly basis. It's smart coaching.

It's almost as if I didn't say "Stephanie White CERTAINLY (emphasis added) has other considerations than Caitlin's line" and yeah, I think a stat would likely be the last thing.

Of course, of course, of course it's all dependent on Caitlin's health and how she was feeling. I understand shutting her down then and there and I think I communicated that. ALL I'm saying is IF it was not imprudent to let her play a few more minutes I would have liked to have seen it. Didn't say White was necessarily wrong.

Not a big deal, but to say a stat is only a stat is on its face true, but this particular stat is an accomplishment and is a very celebrated thing. As it was ESPN led with "Clark scores a near tripple-double in leading ... ."

Anyway, go Fever, go Caitlin ...

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

KM needs to start shooting better or stuffing the stat book better to justify her super max contract. Yes she’s averaging 24 ppg, but she has a total of 3 rebounds, 6 assists, and 3 steals in four games played so far. She’s chewing up too much of the salary cap to be shooting 10-31 from three and providing basically no other stats while also being a poor defensive player.

I’m guessing this season is her last go around in Indiana unless she’s willing to take a pay cut.

KM needs to start shooting better or stuffing the stat book better to justify her super max contract. Yes she’s averaging 24 ppg, but she has a total of 3 rebounds, 6 assists, and 3 steals in four games played so far. She’s chewing up too much of the salary cap to be shooting 10-31 from three and providing basically no other stats while also being a poor defensive player.

I’m guessing this season is her last go around in Indiana unless she’s willing to take a pay cut.

It pretty much has to be anyway. They'll have to pay CC22 next year somehow, and its obvious they need help in the paint. This is Mitchells last go round I'd bet..

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

There is no "C" in GOAT. And I do not recall one person bothering to make that distinction. They simply said, "GOAT".

Again, the WNBA players heard the same thing.

Has there every been anyone referred to as the "college GOAT" in any sport? Of course not. Because there is no "C" in GOAT.

And for what it's worth, the college GOAT is plenty debatable

Shaq says 'hi'.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

I agree. A poster said earlier in the thread that there will be more opportunities for triple doubles in the future, but like you said, they don't come around that often, and they won't if White keeps pulling Clark out with abundant minutes left in games. Clark was pulled right after she blocked Heideman's layup attempt. Your starting PG who went off in all categories, playing just 24 minutes, and getting shut down with 8 minutes remaining in regulation, is beyond belief. I believe in some caution as well, however, I have not heard of any lingering issues or new injuries, unless the staff is being mum once again with her injury status. If she's indeed healthy and cleared for play, then she should play more regardless of the lead going into the 4th quarter.

Hines-Allen and Mitchell had more minutes than Clark, and played more in the 4th quarter as well. Even Sophie coming off the bench, who I really like and glad she had a nice offensive game, had a minute more than Clark. Not quibbling about that. Glad for her. But, White and January were at odds with Clark on the bench at one point, and White and Clark had an exchange during play. I think there's a huge disconnect between a couple of coaches and Clark, and I really hope that's all there is to that. Otherwise, I can see Clark getting out of there sometime in the not too distant future (contract permitting).

I agree. A poster said earlier in the thread that there will be more opportunities for triple doubles in the future, but like you said, they don't come around that often, and they won't if White keeps pulling Clark out with abundant minutes left in games. Clark was pulled right after she blocked Heideman's layup attempt. Your starting PG who went off in all categories, playing just 24 minutes, and getting shut down with 8 minutes remaining in regulation, is beyond belief. I believe in some caution as well, however, I have not heard of any lingering issues or new injuries, unless the staff is being mum once again with her injury status. If she's indeed healthy and cleared for play, then she should play more regardless of the lead going into the 4th quarter.

Hines-Allen and Mitchell had more minutes than Clark, and played more in the 4th quarter as well. Even Sophie coming off the bench, who I really like and glad she had a nice offensive game, had a minute more than Clark. Not quibbling about that. Glad for her. But, White and January were at odds with Clark on the bench at one point, and White and Clark had an exchange during play. I think there's a huge disconnect between a couple of coaches and Clark, and I really hope that's all there is to that. Otherwise, I can see Clark getting out of there sometime in the not too distant future (contract permitting).

As far as the quibbling goes I think it was just about Caitlin's defensive assignment on the previous play. It happens, no biggie, imo.

Caitlin's last triple-double was a 20-10-10. Barely got it. Obviously it's the last two digits that are hard to get to 10 or more at the same time. So when you're at X-10-7 ... I, ofc, hate to see that opportunity go a beggin'.

But again, just to be clear, Caitlin's health and the team's needs are the first priorities.

 

[Hawksfor3]

As far as the quibbling goes I think it was just about Caitlin's defensive assignment on the previous play. It happens, no biggie, imo.

Caitlin's last triple-double was a 20-10-10. Barely got it. Obviously it's the last two digits that are hard to get to 10 or more at the same time. So when you're at X-10-7 ... I, ofc, hate to see that opportunity go a beggin'.

But again, just to be clear, Caitlin's health and the team's needs are the first priorities.

No, I meant that I was not quibbling about Sophie getting a minute more than Clark. I'm glad Sophie had a really nice game. She's one of my favorites.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Tripling down on arguing with me about my own actions. How embarrassing.

And so the WNBA players were clear about the "college implication" too, right? Stop

You're tripling down on speaking for the WNBA players, and they wouldn't like that.

You should know since you chastise our fans about things said about Iowa players.

I mean we know you're a hypocrite, but your lack of self-awareness is fascinating.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

You're kind of weird, man

 

[Hawksfor3]

Here we go again. Injuries.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/stephanie-white-without-answers-indiana-023914384.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

No, I meant that I was not quibbling about Sophie getting a minute more than Clark. I'm glad Sophie had a really nice game. She's one of my favorites.

I wasn't clear, I should have used a different word than "quibbling." Was referring to the White, January, Clark thingy.

Sophie has to always be an Indiana fan favorite for being an enforcer in addition to her game and personality. Lots to like.

 

[jhoosh43]

I was the one who was mischaracterized

Victim

 

[eyesofhawk]

Shaq says 'hi'.

Shaq did not even use the term, "GOAT".

I'm talking about someone literally being called the "college GOAT"

 

[eyesofhawk]

You're tripling down on speaking for the WNBA players, and they wouldn't like that.

You should know since you chastise our fans about things said about Iowa players.

I mean we know you're a hypocrite, but your lack of self-awareness is fascinating.

As if they didn't speak for themselves. SMH

 

[eyesofhawk]

Victim

Nope. Just an accurate response to a guy who was trying to be cute

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

Shaq did not even use the term, "GOAT".

I'm talking about someone literally being called the "college GOAT"

Which part of "best female collegiate player ever" are you struggling with?

In your world "best female collegiate player ever" doesn't = "college GOAT"?

Lol. You're such a clown. Take the L and try to get better.

 

[83Hawk]

I’ve only been here a couple weeks and it looks like I’ve already identified this board’s equivalent of Joes Place.

Nailed it!

 

[Ludd]

Well for one, the conversation fundamentally has its limitations, as basketball is a team sport.

Great players that have four titles, certainly have an argument vs zero

People get really confused between greatest player and most accomplished player. Greatest player refers to skills, most accomplished refers to championships and MVP awards. There are players that don’t belong on the same court as Clark who have championship rings. That doesn’t mean they are better than her. And what she did getting Iowa to back to back national championship games is far more impressive than winning back to back on a UConn team.

 

[Ludd]

See, CC is still being overrated.

I haven't made this stuff up, people. And would have no reason to

I coached basketball for a lot of years and she is the best offensive female player I’ve even seen….its hard to overrate the best. If anything she is underrated because she gets nit picked like no other player and expectations of her are way higher than anyone else.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

People get really confused between greatest player and most accomplished player. Greatest player refers to skills, most accomplished refers to championships and MVP awards. There are players that don’t belong on the same court as Clark who have championship rings. That doesn’t mean they are better than her. And what she did getting Iowa to back to back national championship games is far more impressive than winning back to back on a UConn team.

100%. Barry Sanders has zero Super Bowl rings, and is still considered by most the greatest RB of all time.

 

[gojojo]

My recollection was that GOAT references were to her as a college player. Because she is. For the W, her book is not yet written, but will probably be in the convo when it’s all said and done.

Rational posts like this will not be, nor should be, tolerated on any message board, sir.

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[gojojo]

There is no "C" in GOAT. And I do not recall one person bothering to make that distinction. They simply said, "GOAT".

Again, the WNBA players heard the same thing.

Has there every been anyone referred to as the "college GOAT" in any sport? Of course not. Because there is no "C" in GOAT.

And for what it's worth, the college GOAT is plenty debatable

No offense, but you're kinda weird, bro.

 

[Franisdaman]

My sincerest apologies for getting this thread back on track

 

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[Franisdaman]