Went back and looked at McKeen's record...

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Backwardsass Mississippi politics. A couple of boosters determined to run the program. 80 years later & we are still doing the same dumb shlt

It is apparent that the remains of some dead injuns were fans of McKeen. How can we appease them? That is the question we must answer
Fixed that for you
 

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Bottom line, McKeen was our Vaught, before Ole Miss had Vaught. We ran him off when he was still a fairly young man, basically over offensive style. That is the single stupidest thing in our athletic history, and nothing else is even remotely close. We are STILL paying for it. It ain’t dead Indians, it’s the ghost of McKeen.
All you can do is laugh, especially with you saying it

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If you look at the entirety of MSU's football history, you really wonder how we're still here. Thank God we joined up in the SEC but besides that decision, there hasn't been many good ones. Every good decision was made out of some dysfunction, like Byrne being promoted and hiring Mullen, Dr. Z hiring Jackie, etc.

And get this, the SEC HQ was originally in Jackson. Had we kept any football staying power (by not firing McKeen), maybe we could have helped keep it there. It had already moved when Vaught started rolling at Ole Miss.
 

L4Dawg

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I'm not sure why anyone who knows anything about Mississippi State would be surprised to hear that we ran a successul coach off over the style of offense he ran. Probably a spat over running the Single Wing vs the Wing T.
That was pretty much it I think.
 

paindonthurt

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I'm not sure why anyone who knows anything about Mississippi State would be surprised to hear that we ran a successul coach off over the style of offense he ran. Probably a spat over running the Single Wing vs the Wing T.
I am not disagreeing that he was ran off b/c of something stupid (including style of offense).

I don't really trust the word of someone who heard something from someone who heard something from someone 78 17ing years ago!!

What likely happened is fans are morons like they are now vs a few "key" boosters.
 

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Y’all check out the 1940 MSU-Ala. game on YouTube. Yes, McKeen was running the single wing, but with immaculate discipline and precision. Amazing to watch. Beat ALA 14-0.
 

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McKeen’s leaving is documented in a book by Mike Nemeth. A businessman offered MIss. State $50,000 provided he could dictate the offense. McKee wouldn’t do it and Morton would.
 
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Allyn McKeen:

vs. LSU: 5-3-1, all games played in Baton Rouge
vs. Alabama: 2-6, all games played in Tuscaloosa aside from 1948 in Starkville
vs. Auburn: 7-1-1, all games played in Birmingham
vs. Tulane: 3-2, all games played in New Orleans
vs. Florida: 4-0, all games played in Gainesville except 1941 in Starkville
vs. Kentucky: 1-0, game played in Memphis
vs. Tennessee: 1-0, game played in Knoxville
vs. Vanderbilt: 1-0, game played in Nashville
vs. Ole Miss: 5-4, to their credit, Ole Miss played MSU home-and-home the entirety of the McKeen tenure, which was four of nine games in Starkville.

Aside from Ole Miss, Allyn McKeen's teams played TWO Southeastern Conference home games in nine seasons.
Looking at our past head to head records is painful. From 1931-1970 we only played LSU in MS 4 times.
 

Olegreyboy

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Looking at our past head to head records is painful. From 1931-1970 we only played LSU in MS 4 times.
During the Depression our athletic department almost went belly up. LSU bailed us out. One of the conditions of the loan was we had to play them in La. for the next 25 years.
 

Bulldawg77

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I am not disagreeing that he was ran off b/c of something stupid (including style of offense).

I don't really trust the word of someone who heard something from someone who heard something from someone 78 17ing years ago!!

What likely happened is fans are morons like they are now vs a few "key" boosters.
Yes it’s true a very wealthy alumni who wanted to change offenses decided he would run the coaching search. There were some other things going on as well

After his first season without a winning record in 1948 with a 4-4 finish, alumni began to turn on McKeen more so due to political reasons than pure wins and losses and McKeen was fired in one of the most egregious errors of judgement by the university in its history.
 

paindonthurt

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Yes it’s true a very wealthy alumni who wanted to change offenses decided he would run the coaching search. There were some other things going on as well

After his first season without a winning record in 1948 with a 4-4 finish, alumni began to turn on McKeen more so due to political reasons than pure wins and losses and McKeen was fired in one of the most egregious errors of judgement by the university in its history.
Sure
 

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I’m usually on your side when it comes to topics on this board but not sure why you’re digging in on this one. The boosters last name was Sanders
Source? i'm sorry i'm not believing a random guy on the internet about specifics.

I hear BS all the time from "people in the know". They are rarely correct.
 

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Source? i'm sorry i'm not believing a random guy on the internet about specifics.

I hear BS all the time from "people in the know". They are rarely correct.
Why are you digging in on this. It happened 80 years ago. Dudy noble fired Mckeen mainly due to Sanders and others wanting to change offenses.. it’s factual it’s. It’s been printed.
 
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Why are you digging in on this. It happened 80 years ago. Dudy noble fired Mckeen mainly due to Sanders and others wanting to change offenses.. it’s factual it’s. It’s been printed.
Why are you digging in on something you can't prove? Link the source if its been printed. I'll wait.
 

L4Dawg

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Asking for facts? Yeah and i'm gonna continue doing it dumb $h1t.
You have been given the facts by multiple posters but you refuse to accept them. Nobody has really disputed what we say happened. You haven't either. You have presented nothing yourself here but trolling people who actually do have a pretty good idea what happened.
 

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Why are you digging in on this. It happened 80 years ago. Dudy noble fired Mckeen mainly due to Sanders and others wanting to change offenses.. it’s factual it’s. It’s been printed.
This is exactly what I was told by people who were alive at the time and absolutely would have known what happened. I'm thinking pain's last name must be Sanders. 🤪
 

paindonthurt

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You have been given the facts by multiple posters but you refuse to accept them. Nobody has really disputed what we say happened. You haven't either. You have presented nothing yourself here but trolling people who actually do have a pretty good idea what happened.
I know you aren't smart enough to understand this, but i'm not taking some random posters word for it.

He provided a link. It was really simple. Maybe you should learn from him.
 

L4Dawg

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I know you aren't smart enough to understand this, but i'm not taking some random posters word for it.

He provided a link. It was really simple. Maybe you should learn from him.
I didn't have a link, I told you what my sources were. You really are the lone ranger in this thread. You never even presented any information, you just argued with those who knew what happened. Kind of funny how we all pretty much were saying the same thing. The guy in that link by the way, his sources are pretty much the same as mine from what I can see. He talked to people who were around at the time. It's not like this was some big secret. Everybody who was around back then and actually cared knew what happened. I had several people tell me the exact same thing.

One more thing, I don't do other's home work. You could have googled that too. Instead you would rather argue.
 

paindonthurt

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I didn't have a link, I told you what my sources were. You really are the lone ranger in this thread. You never even presented any information, you just argued with those who knew what happened. Kind of funny how we all pretty much were saying the same thing. The guy in that link by the way, his sources are pretty much the same as mine from what I can see. He talked to people who were around at the time. It's not like this was some big secret. Everybody who was around back then and actually cared knew what happened. I had several people tell me the exact same thing.

One more thing, I don't do other's home work. You could have googled that too. Instead you would rather argue.
I don't think i'm the lone ranger. I think most people just don't care and probably think you are dumb.

I'm the goose for arguing with your DA, but i'm bored.

and you are the one injecting yourself into a convo i was having with someone else. So shoo shoo fly.

Buzz Off Get Away GIF
 

L4Dawg

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I don't think i'm the lone ranger. I think most people just don't care and probably think you are dumb.

I'm the goose for arguing with your DA, but i'm bored.

and you are the one injecting yourself into a convo i was having with someone else. So shoo shoo fly.

Buzz Off Get Away GIF
Very typical of people like you. You want people to go away when you have no answer. If you look back up the thread I think you will find who posted the correct facts firs. And who you first asked for a link. No matter who was first, the facts got backed up by everyone who cared to post about it, but you. 🤪😄😄😄😄😜
 

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This is exactly what I was told by people who were alive at the time and absolutely would have known what happened. I'm thinking pain's last name must be Sanders. 🤪
His may not be but I have a good inclination of whose is…. I’ll just leave that here
 

patdog

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I can’t believe we’re arguing about why Allen McKeen was fired 80 years ago. Can we all just agree it was typical MSU stupidity & move on?
 
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paindonthurt

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Very typical of people like you. You want people to go away when you have no answer. If you look back up the thread I think you will find who posted the correct facts firs. And who you first asked for a link. No matter who was first, the facts got backed up by everyone who cared to post about it, but you. 🤪😄😄😄😄😜
I actually have an answer now b/c bulldawg77 provided a link.

You injected yourself into this convo. I can do this all day and clutter this thread up or you can just stfu and move on. I bet you can't though b/c you like me so much. Are you gay?