Why are we not really seeing guys develop under Parker like we used to see under other coaches? Not really seeing it click for some of these guys to figure out some shut down stuff
Pitching development
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I still have nightmares over those 22 and 23 pitching staffs, so he gets a lot of leeway from me.
13 freaking walks sure reminds me of the past
He is 100% better than Foxhall. He should be commended for turning Stephen , Jurrangelo and Pico into what they turned out to be but we need to go elsewhere this offseason
NO pitching development in the pen.
Take from that what you want.
Fun times ahead!!!
Take from that what you want.
Fun times ahead!!!
Because you’re not looking.
Ryan McPherson went from a 4.2 era last year to a 2.6 guy this season
Stone barely pitched last year and has been thrust into a role he isn’t ready for but will finish the regular season at 6-3. Yeah he’s been tagged a good bit lately but I put that as much on late season fatigue as anything. He has dealt against good teams this year (Texas, OM, UGA kind of) but to go from the staff doesn’t trust you at all to the second most ip on the team is development. Willing to bet he is markedly better next year.
Tomas went from 6-1 with a 4.59 era at uva to 9-2 with a 3.04 era
We’ve seen Bauer get significantly better just over the course of the season this year.
Burns went from a 4 era to a 2.60 era
Davis has gone from a 3.77 era to 3.54
Pitzer had a 5.5 era and a 7.something era at South Carolina and is at 3.91 this year
Sweeney had an 8.5 era at South Carolina and is at 5.5
Literally every single pitcher that I looked up (full disclosure I stopped at Sweeney cause the roster stopped loading) has better numbers than last year. you can possibly argue with the overall talent level but I’d disagree. we are just really young for the most part on the mound and it seems like everyone has kind of hit a wall at the same time over the last few weeks.
we went from 10th in pitching in conference play last year to 5th this year. Without McPherson for a bulk of the season
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Don't bring objective stats into this subjective emotional discussion.
I think we have seen some guys get better from last year and some get better during the year. We have seen some not really improve and all of that is normal. Bauer’s improvement has been eye opening, so that shines big on Parker. My bigger concern is the portal guys that we brought in; other than Valincius, I can’t think of one that would be considered a “hit”. Some have been ok but i think all have been inconsistent. I won’t go into each individual player and what I think about them but there are some that should probably transfer out, not bc of talent so much, but because of sack size. The SEC is not for the weak of heart.
Bauer clearly became an adequate to good college pitcher after starting as a liability over the course of this season.
It’s true we seem to lack mental toughness. All around. Really hard to lose as much as we have with the talent we have. That said…
Let’s not forget what girodo spent all of his early career being prior to a summer trip to the cape that changed everything that rolled over to one elite season for us. There’s time. But for the love of god we’ve got to find people to throw strikes. Don’t care if we give up 20 hits.
Classic, everyone copes when we retain mid level “familiar” staff, while failing to close on the pitching coach that would actually have made us a legit contender. It’s sad. Then when it’s called out on a message board the tears start falling and the rears start hurting.
He didn’t “become” anything sunshine. He was an MLB first round talent. Are you that dense?
Bauer was NEVER a liability. He should have been pitching fully from the start as I said at the start of the year. Big whoops if he had some bad outings. He ain't gonna have any good outings sitting in the damn dugout. You PLAY players with exceptional talent. PERIOD!!! They will always rise to the top.
Tell that to the guys playing on bad teams who were teeing off on his 98 mph straight balls before we took him out of action for a month to teach him how to pitch in college.
With 18 posts maybe try a little harder to not be a complete douche, unless that's just what you like being.
The pitching coach target you're referring to that we "missed" on was hired as the head coach of Duke.
If you had left him in some of those games he'd have given up a dozen runs.
They talked about the fact they had to change up his release point because he was letting it go too far back and the batters had too much time to see it out of his hand. Took a few sessions for him to get it down.
Y'all can call that something other than development, but I'm not seeing it that way.
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So you are admitting he was a liability early on but that we should just deal with it.
I don't disagree with the deal with it part but HE 100% WAS A LIABILITY EARLY ON. FACT.
He was absolutely a liability early this season.
Most douche bags can't help it. Ask goat.
As much as we’re bitching about pitching, 11 SEC teams were worse. And that’s without our #1 starter which threw the whole staff into disarray.
I think the reason he didn’t pitch for a few week was they were tweaking his mechanics. Continuing to play him then would have been a bad decision.
Exactly. We could have hired him as head coach (but we hired someone better). But you’re never going to hire him as pitching coach when an ACC team is offering him the head coaching job.
Much more true in baseball.
Football and basketball constantly get you game-esque reps in practice. Baseball, not nearly as much. This is due to pitching and recovery, it’s just not possible.
In summer ball you’re allowed to work through things, win or lose. Development and playing time is the entire premise. Similar to MiLB. Baseball is a different sport in that way.
Losing William Kirk hurt a lot more than people realize. We do have a couple of guys who need to see a psychiatrist 2 times weekly from season end to fall practice though.
I agree. I was going to tell you that your question was a very good one.
But in college ball you have to win the games. Can’t allow guys to ‘work through it’. You have to pull them and get the outs. So that makes development during the season very difficult.
So honestly I’m in favor of Parker.
And this is one big advantage of minor league baseball. Winning & losing is secondary to developing players. There’s a lot of reasons to go to college, especially in the NIL era. But you will be further along after 3 years in the minors than you will be after 3 years of college. At least for a lot of players.
Cool story. Once again I don’t understand how our fans are this uninformed. Parker was hired almost a week before the Duke job was even open, let alone filled.
Also, I wasn’t just referring to Mus. Could have gotten anyone. But no, we did what state is best at and went with the easy way, the good ole buddy next door who won’t turn us down. And it bit us hard, and may even cost us a championship.
He struggles to manage the pen in-game. Development isn't the problem, it's the actual decision making in game that's the problem. But tell me which of his three seasons has his pen actually been good? I'd argue none of them, because he struggles on the in-game decision making side. He's going to have talent next year, can he manage it better? Mac being hurt didn't help, but the decision making has been poor regardless. Saying he's better than Foxhall isn't hard, or better than the VA pitching coaching either. But is he the best we can get?
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As much as I agree with you I still think we can and could’ve done better with our development especially bullpen arms. We don’t really have any single lights out arm. I will Tomas V was doing a lot better on Saturdays than game 1 starts before McPherson’s injury. He was truly dominating as a game 2 guy it seems like. So I agree with all you’ve said still thought we’d see a little more development of a lot of our arms. Today’s game sucked *** to watch all those walks that likely ultimately let to an extremely hard fought loss. Am very happy with our flame thrower Freshman as he’s showed a lot of grit and poise and even mixing of his pitches as he (Bauer) has been really good after a bumpy start. This game 3 loss was hard to watch also after so much clutch hitting retake the lead. My lord Parker may break records and we’re just start to see his potential. This dude is unbelievably talented sorry for the long message and talking about a hitter but damn dudes a baller. Not criticizing a word you said btw your right but I do think it’s still fair to expect a little more of the guys we have no idea what to expect on any given day Duke Stone then bullpen period and how they attack hitters as well.