And his numbers in 2019 and 2022 are almost identical--he also was way more capable of running zone read than Allar or Hack
He's also currently unemployed and has only attempted one pass in the pros because he, like the others, he wasn't prepared
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He's also currently unemployed and has only attempted one pass in the pros because he, like the others, he wasn't prepared
What do you guys think this says about Will Howard? Won a Natty but was only a sixth round pick. With Mason Rudolph on the roster, I don't think the Steelers go into the regular season with four QB's. In today's NFL you just can't afford to do without that extra body where there's a need, usually special teams. Will Howard to the practice squad, or cut Rudolph after training camp. Of course, lots TBD during camp, including injuries. I guess we'll see.
Rudolph is likely QB2…try to sneak Howard into the practice squad. Can’t imagine they’d want a 42 year old starter being backed up by a player who’s never taken an NFL snap. There’s no way Allar would clear waivers, so he’s gotta be QB3…hopefully he redshirts and is ready for his shot next year.
Read recently that both Philly and Baltimore were interested in him in the 3rd. Maybe compelled them to take him when they did?
This is a hell of a quote:
"Allar moved through that drill and many others Saturday morning at half speed as the coaching staff essentially uninstalled his old hardware and began rebuilding his fundamentals from the ground up."
In other words, the Steelers coaches have hit CONTROL-ALLAR-DELETE in regards to the crap that Franklin installed.
"Allar moved through that drill and many others Saturday morning at half speed as the coaching staff essentially uninstalled his old hardware and began rebuilding his fundamentals from the ground up."
In other words, the Steelers coaches have hit CONTROL-ALLAR-DELETE in regards to the crap that Franklin installed.
He is right. I remember this was taught by Franklin . Thank God we have moved on. Any other program tells their QB to let ‘er rip.
Obviously he learned how to say Obviously.
I agree Drew needs some maturity to reach another level but keep in mind Drew was 20 years old when he played Notre Dame. Notre Dame took away Warren and his receivers could not get open and they were not schemed open. Wil Howard that year had Jermiah Smith Carnel Tate and Emeka Ebuka as receivers. and he looked like a High school quarterback against Michigan with those receivers. Anyone who is holding out hope for Wil Howard being a starting NFL Qb is very optimistic. I will certainly give Mike MCcarthy a chance to see if he can get more out of Drew than the great quarterback developer BGJ.
Or because making it to the NFL was a huge accomplishment for his skill set.
It wasn't--had he been properly developed at Penn State he had a chance
Again, he was great as a freshman then fell off until her rebounded during his senior year which only brought him back to the levels he started at
Drew Allar’s recruiting rankings. What did James do to him? Looked like a 100 in his first start and went down from there.
To be fair, Howard was facing an NFL defensive scheme, similar to the one that helped Seattle win the SB and Michigan the NC a few years ago.
Harbaugh had gotten a huge helping hand from his brother, one which helped Michigan and Harbaugh get over the dOSU hump.
The irony in all this is that there probably wouldn't be a "reboot" for Allar if Tomlin was still in charge of the Steelers.
He was young. He didn’t have enough time with BGJ at PSU to regress. Don’t worry…it’ll happen at VT.
Very good analysis that CJF wasn't the QB coach....I was mistaken that the HC determined ALL coaching philosophy of instruction....I presume by your post is was wrong and each room coach did whatever they wanted to do?
You have a very difficult time separating facts from your opinion, that’s why you run everyone the wrong way.
It's not--do you need Clifford stats each year so you can see the regression and then him getting back to where he started at? Those are facts
You're the one trying to claim he improved without having a single fact to back it up.
I have no idea why you're still trying to defend Franklin's QB development especially after Terry Smith fully confirmed what the knowledgeable fans here said all along.
Stats year to year don’t show progression or lack thereof, the talent around the player changes as does the game plan and a host of other things. I never said he improved, I said Franklin took a guy with limited talent and got him into the NFL as he did with Trace as well (you know, the guy other schools only wanted as a safety?). He also had three backups leave the program and go start at SEC schools…not exactly a terrible resume for QB development.
To make sure I understand you--you're claim is that he didn't regress during his Sophomore and Juniors years from his Freshman year? If so, you may be the only person that believes that. If the gameplan and the talent dropped that's also on Franklin.
If he didn't improve then Franklin had nothing to do with getting him to the next level? That's a simple concept.
Trace is in the NFL (or was) to run scout teams because he's mobile. The Cards proved that in 2022 when they turned to Blough after injuries when they brought him in off the street. Trace also isn't a pro-style QB and Trace's final year at Penn State was horrific--he, like all others, regressed.
The QBs that left certainly weren't developed by him--maybe your worst argument.
The only thing BGJ did was ruin players and made Penn State look foolish. There's no defending him.
No, they showed up at the SEC school and were developed instantly…maybe your worst argument. And Will Levis was far better his first year at UK than the second, so his “development” at UK hurt more than helped. Clifford’s development was hampered by injuries as was Trace’s last year. Point is, they both got to the NFL with limited talent and if Franklin was as bad as some are making him out to be, they wouldn’t have even sniffed a scout team.
The only thing that hurt Levis was injuries. Trace's last year had nothing to do with injuries. Clifford had multiple problems; including injuries but, again, his freshman and senior years are basically identical in every single way
I don't understand why you keep trying to claim Clifford had limited talent. Trace did and he's exactly the type of guy teams keep on their PS. Late round pick, that's cheap who is a dual threat so when they have to scheme against guys like Lamar they have someone on the roster capable of doing so.
You keep claiming "Frankling got them to the NFL"--they got their by overcoming Franklin's inability to develop QBs. Just like Allar still got drafted despite Terry acknowledging the fact (not opinion) Franklin had no idea what to do with him.
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Rodgers is saying this will be his last season. OBVIOUSLY. 
, he sees the handwriting on the wall. The Stillers are Drew’s team.
, he sees the handwriting on the wall. The Stillers are Drew’s team.Not after the injury--you still do this thing were you alter reality because you don't have an argument
Literally anything can happen in a draft--see the Rams reaching for their QB--but Allar went where he was expected to go--he was going to be QB3-5 most likely on day 2. He went 4th--on day 2. Not a single person should have been surprised.
He bullshitted him into his dumbass offensive scheme and everyone is seeing the results.
Things change over time--yes, he's a first round pick if he enters the 2025 but Franklin selfishly used Allar's loyalty to convince him to return. After his play declined in a scheme he was suited for and the injury of course the dropped. Like Nussmeier and Klubnik. But you're inability to comprehend that is--well, it's predictable. Going into the draft Drew was likely going day 2--worst case 4th round--he went where he was expected to go as I stated.
You mean you are declaring yourself right again? Color me shocked!
You're trying way too hard here but that's you
All I said was "he went where he was expected to go"--every "expert" had him in that range--has nothing to do with "me"--just the ignorance of you and others.
Don't forget, Trace played injured a lot of that year. He was beat up from his knee and ankle for half the season.
Yeah, it was Franklin’s selfishness that kept him there and not the big NIL money (eye roll).
Trace had a hurt knee and ankle his senior year for half the season. We didn't even know if he would be able to play, let alone run the ball.
Franklin's job is to give Allar the best advice for his career--he didn't because he wanted him to stay
Allar would have made more money had he entered the draft--the NIL money he got last year doesn't come close to making up what he lost.