NCAA basketball tournaments set to move to 76 teams

EagerFan

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The primary driver of this move hasn't been money, but rather access for at-large bids for power conferences. The expansion has been pushed by power conferences, which have grown throughout the course of the current deal.

The mechanics of the expansion in the men's tournament would include eight additional at-large bids. What's known now as the First Four -- eight teams playing four games in Dayton, Ohio -- would expand to 12 games played by 24 teams at two sites, one of which was expected to remain in Dayton.
Looks like another opportunity to allow bids to both Tournament Champions and Regular Season Champions in the mid majors will be passed over so that B1G teams with losing records have a chance.

otoh, I'm all for stocking that first week with even more basketball. A great week will be even greater, yay!
 

Catmandoo78

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There will be a lot of mediocre coaches pointing to a tourney berth as the 72nd team in (and the 44th out of 45 at large teams) as evidence that they deserve a contract extension or to keep their job.
 

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There will be a lot of mediocre coaches pointing to a tourney berth as the 72nd team in (and the 44th out of 45 at large teams) as evidence that they deserve a contract extension or to keep their job.
Well, that's true. Both basketball and football need a recalibration of what accomplishment and excellence look like. In football, a .500 season, or less, gets you a bowl game as a Power team. Same thing coming in basketball for your conference record. I'm glad NU has gone to lots of bowls for plenty of reasons but the reality in terms of assessing whether many of these were really good teams or not? It's grade inflation, for everyone.
 

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Well, that's true. Both basketball and football need a recalibration of what accomplishment and excellence look like. In football, a .500 season, or less, gets you a bowl game as a Power team. Same thing coming in basketball for your conference record. I'm glad NU has gone to lots of bowls for plenty of reasons but the reality in terms of assessing whether many of these were really good teams or not? It's grade inflation, for everyone.
I completely agree. Although, anyone who said this as a reason to have concerns about Braun this past fall was shouted down.
 

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Well, that's true. Both basketball and football need a recalibration of what accomplishment and excellence look like. In football, a .500 season, or less, gets you a bowl game as a Power team. Same thing coming in basketball for your conference record. I'm glad NU has gone to lots of bowls for plenty of reasons but the reality in terms of assessing whether many of these were really good teams or not? It's grade inflation, for everyone.
The point of college athletics (at least for most of us) is entertainment. I have fun watching NU compete in bowl games, even if they are lower tier bowls. It is enjoyable for October and November NU games to have meaning by trying to get to the six win threshold. The intellectual part of me knows they aren't playing for any real championships, but it's still better than having nothing to play for because they can't compete/spend with the top 5 or 6 programs in the league.

An expanded tournament will make the regular season games more fun for some teams even if it likely means an eventual beatdown in March.
 

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The point of college athletics (at least for most of us) is entertainment. I have fun watching NU compete in bowl games, even if they are lower tier bowls. It is enjoyable for October and November NU games to have meaning by trying to get to the six win threshold. The intellectual part of me knows they aren't playing for any real championships, but it's still better than having nothing to play for because they can't compete/spend with the top 5 or 6 programs in the league.

An expanded tournament will make the regular season games more fun for some teams even if it likely means an eventual beatdown in March.
Agree completely. My point was more concurring with the part about depreciating but accumulating bowl appearances be taken for excellence of the accumulating coach. And I'm not particularly aimed at Braun - it's more a commentary on the industry - where "everyone is above average".
 
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Interestingly, to me anyway, is that we probably don't make it this year in an expanded field, or next year as the roster is set.
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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Agree completely. My point was more concurring with the part about depreciating but accumulating bowl appearances be taken for excellence of the accumulating coach. And I'm not particularly aimed at Braun - it's more a commentary on the industry - where "everyone is above average".
Yes. Knock over 3 tomato cans in non con and go 3-6 in the B1G and you're in a bowl.

Edit: not NU. We have trouble knocking over tomato cans
 

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When the tournament expanded from 64 to 68, there were 317 D1 teams - that's 21.4% of teams participating in the knockout tourney. There are now 363 D1 teams, which means 78 teams in spans 20.9%. Again, I'm not celebrating expansion, but I'm not going to rant and rave like Jay Williams and decry that this is "Everyone Gets a Trophy" syndrome.

If you put yourself in the shoes of the NCAA, you're seeing something like The Crown happen in back to back years, and you gotta nip that sucker in the bud. March Madness ratings had a 7% rise over 2025, and the final was the most viewed since 2019. By adding a few more games, you force CBS/Turner to come back to the table to negotiate - and then they're gonna right size that price. And, the expansion will likely favor the power conferences - but yeesh, the SEC and B1G have 18 teams apiece - 10-10 Iowa got to the Elite 8 by the way, so turns out they were a pretty good team.

This also bears out - kenpom 45 rated teams or higher distributed between conferences (I picked "45" because that's usually where the lowest "at-large" rates out.):
  • SEC: 11 of 18
  • B1G: 10 of 18
  • XII: 8 of 16
  • ACC: 7 of 18
  • BE: 3 of 11
With more guys staying longer "in school" (or perhaps more accurately, "playing NCAA basketball" as I'm dubious at how much classroom time they're actually doing), the quality of college play has reflected this - it's gotten better. (Sure, lack of cohesion due to portaling is also a factor hurting quality of play as well, but overall this also benefits former power conf players now getting 1st team run instead of being stashed on the bench.)

Don't get me wrong - I love that a 64 team bracket fits beautifully on a letter sized sheet of paper. Nobody outside of the NCAA front offices really asked for this; but, given the state of (waves at everything else), this doesn't bait my rage.
 

phatcat_rivals223240

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When the tournament expanded from 64 to 68, there were 317 D1 teams - that's 21.4% of teams participating in the knockout tourney. There are now 363 D1 teams, which means 78 teams in spans 20.9%. Again, I'm not celebrating expansion, but I'm not going to rant and rave like Jay Williams and decry that this is "Everyone Gets a Trophy" syndrome.

If you put yourself in the shoes of the NCAA, you're seeing something like The Crown happen in back to back years, and you gotta nip that sucker in the bud. March Madness ratings had a 7% rise over 2025, and the final was the most viewed since 2019. By adding a few more games, you force CBS/Turner to come back to the table to negotiate - and then they're gonna right size that price. And, the expansion will likely favor the power conferences - but yeesh, the SEC and B1G have 18 teams apiece - 10-10 Iowa got to the Elite 8 by the way, so turns out they were a pretty good team.

This also bears out - kenpom 45 rated teams or higher distributed between conferences (I picked "45" because that's usually where the lowest "at-large" rates out.):
  • SEC: 11 of 18
  • B1G: 10 of 18
  • XII: 8 of 16
  • ACC: 7 of 18
  • BE: 3 of 11
With more guys staying longer "in school" (or perhaps more accurately, "playing NCAA basketball" as I'm dubious at how much classroom time they're actually doing), the quality of college play has reflected this - it's gotten better. (Sure, lack of cohesion due to portaling is also a factor hurting quality of play as well, but overall this also benefits former power conf players now getting 1st team run instead of being stashed on the bench.)

Don't get me wrong - I love that a 64 team bracket fits beautifully on a letter sized sheet of paper. Nobody outside of the NCAA front offices really asked for this; but, given the state of (waves at everything else), this doesn't bait my rage.
What do you mean The Crown? People care about it?
 

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It's official


The First Four is out, the Opening Round is in. Instead of eight teams playing in four games for a chance to advance to the round of 64, there will now be 24 teams playing in 12 such games. Half of said teams will be the lowest-seeded automatic qualifiers, the other the lowest-seeded at-large teams.

The NCAA will visually present the new Opening Round at the top of the bracket, with winners feeding into the classic 64-team field.
On the men's side, the 12 games will be played on the Tuesday and Wednesday between Selection Sunday and when the round of 64 begins that Thursday. Instead of scheduling two games each day in Dayton, as has been the case with the First Four, there will be three games each day in Dayton and three games each day in a second city yet to be determined. ESPN's Pete Thamel has reported the second site is expected to be west of the Eastern time zone to help with logistics.

On the women's side, the 12 Opening Round games will be played on the Wednesday and Thursday between Selection Sunday and when the round of 64 begins that Friday -- and across 12 of the campus sites designated as first- and second-round hosts.
 
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CatManTrue

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It's official

Meh. I guess it’s good as we will have a much better shot of making the tournament.

If You Say So Shrug GIF
 

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Why exclude anybody???

Time was when being selected for the tournament was a big deal. Just to make money, these mofos are cheapening the product. And there's clearly more coming.

Too bad there isn't some conscientious exec to say, "That's a crap idea. You're fired."

College sports is in free fall. The NCAA is only there to take orders.

Make mine a triple.
 
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I could buy more teams if each selection committee went out of its way to choose those last 12 teams from outside the P4 (maybe 5??) conferences. The P4s have MORE than enough opportunities to prove they are tourney-worthy.

I assume that's not going to happen.

Jake Diebler's job just became a little more secure. Yawn.
 

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Why exclude anybody???

Time was when being selected for the tournament was a big deal. Just to make money, these mofos are cheapening the product. And there's clearly more coming.

Too bad there isn't some conscientious exec to say, "That's a crap idea. You're fired."

College sports is in free fall. The NCAA is only there to take orders.

Make mine a triple.
100% correct. Interest from my formerly hardcore circle of college sports fan friends has fallen off. All that’s keeping it afloat now is gambling and given some of the (massively predictable) issues with gambling addiction I’d be shocked if gambling isn’t reigned in legislatively soon at both the state and federal levels.
 

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This administration needs bread and circuses way too much to do anything beyond finding ways to siphon off gambling profits into their personal accounts. Maybe threaten Draft Kings with some investigations if they don't "partner" with executive friends and family...
 

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This administration needs bread and circuses way too much to do anything beyond finding ways to siphon off gambling profits into their personal accounts. Maybe threaten Draft Kings with some investigations if they don't "partner" with executive friends and family...
They’re all corrupt