Moreno is as good as gone...giving Pope a "built in excuse" for next season's failure...

CatManFromCa

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Hell yea baby 66%!! Where the hell is the tequila I'm late to the party. I thought this was a UK forum had no clue this was actually Western Kentucky forum.

And please I really hope you aren't trying to blame Nike for the Stokes recruitment. You're damn right he wouldn't have done that to Duke because Duke wouldn't go for it.

And to any Western Kentucky people I didn't mean that as disrespect. I like them. But they aren't the state university that leads in all time wins.
I am just saying Nike could have helped more. Stokes was already a Nike kid. Kentucky is supposed to be one of Nike’s flagship bball programs. And Nike STILL let him string us out for months and walk to Kansas. They let this kid treat UK like an unwanted side piece.

That’s on Nike for not stepping in and saying, “Pick a lane or move on.”
 
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CatManFromCa

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You are blaming the Stokes situation all on Nike and want others to take you serious?
Just saying Nike could have helped shorten the decision process…that’s all. Stoke was already on Nike’s payroll. He visited UK after he already signed a Rev-share agreement with Kansas. Not blaming it ALL on Nike…but it is odd Nike didn’t do more for one of its flagship bball programs. If you think Nike had UK’s back 100% on the Stokes recruitment…you are a more trusting man than me!
 

anot

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We needed an additional Center. The other thought is, why would Malachi not already say I've decided to stay in if it's such a sure thing that Pope would know about it.
I don't think Moreno or Pope know it's 100% but I'm sure they have a good idea. I doubt Pope sold the Washington center on a backup role especially in year 7 as a super veteran. But maybe he did because of a nice pay day.
 

Hitman206

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I said before that Frank Kepnang was coming in to be the starter. Regarding Moreno, like the ending scene on Point Break when Dalton was paddling out to ride the 50 year storm, and Johnny Utah was walking back up the steps, and the Australian policeman said in passing, "We'll get him when he comes back." And Utah responds, "He's not coming back."
 

anot

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I am just saying Nike could have helped more. Stokes was already a Nike kid. Kentucky is supposed to be one of Nike’s flagship bball programs. And Nike STILL let him string us out for months and walk to Kansas. They let this kid treat UK like an unwanted side piece.

That’s on Nike for not stepping in and saying, “Pick a lane or move on.”
How can Nike step in and tell a kid to pick a lane and move on when our goofy coach has all his chips pushed to the middle of the table. How in the world can you blame Nike at all when they are the only reason anybody thought we had a chance.

I can't say this for a fact but wasn't Nike really trying to help us land Stokes? Weren't they going to add money to his deal or offer a portion of his NIL?

At the end of the day Nike is a brand that UK uses. They don't get to make decisions for Kentucky. That was 100% Popes call. As in Nike could of told Stokes to kick rocks and Pope still could have recruited him. Just don't get blaming Nike at all.
 
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anot

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I said before that Frank Kepnang was coming in to be the starter. Regarding Moreno, like the ending scene on Point Break when Dalton was paddling out to ride the 50 year storm, and Johnny Utah was walking back up the steps, and the Australian policeman said in passing, "We'll get him when he comes back." And Utah responds, "He's not coming back."
Freaking love that movie. And the nuts somebody has to have to go out on a wave like that is crazy. One of my all time favorites. Johnny football!
 

Cowtown Cat

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Him netting with 4 more NBA teams isn’t necessarily a negative. Probably means that the Knicks didn’t guarantee him a first round selection. That’s my takeaway anyway.
 

anot

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Here is the Excuse. Pope thought Moreno was coming back all along so Pope didn’t prioritize finding a starting big until they were all gone. Now the prospects are down to MAC level players and it leaves us even worse off. The truth is, Pope is the absolute worst recruiter in power conference basketball and he could have had 12 months to find a replacement and we would still be in the same spot.
That is a terrible way of going about things for any coach. If You have a player testing the draft out you assume he's gone till he isnt. If Pope ever says anything close to what you just said I hope BBN scolds him. I hope whoever he says that to bust out laughing in his face and ask him if he's serious.

Man I really wish I could be a fly on the wall when Pope talks to players and recruits so I could know the level of weirdness he gives off on a scale to 100.
 
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katwest

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As for Stokes, he was never coming here, he used Kentucky to drive up what Kansas was offering. This kid loves the attention and didn’t think twice about really coming here. As for all the hype in the media about him, he better be able to take. The criticism he’s going to get when he doesn’t live up to the hype, because he’s going to get it.
 
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CatManFromCa

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How can Nike step in and tell a kid to pick a lane and move on when our goofy coach has all his chips pushed to the middle of the table. How in the world can you blame Nike at all when they are the only reason anybody thought we had a chance.

I can't say this for a fact but wasn't Nike really trying to help us land Stokes? Weren't they going to add money to his deal or offer a portion of his NIL?

At the end of the day Nike is a brand that UK uses. They don't get to make decisions for Kentucky. That was 100% Popes call. As in Nike could of told Stokes to kick rocks and Pope still could have recruited him. Just don't get blaming Nike at all.
If that was Nike helping, then I’d hate to see them sabotage us. Agree. Nike can’t force Pope to recruit or stop recruiting someone. But Nike can signal whether a Nike kid already on contract to wear Nike shoes is leaning UK. We just have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
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anot

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If that was Nike helping, then I’d hate to see them sabotage us. Agree. Nike can’t force Pope to recruit or stop recruiting someone. But Nike can signal whether a Nike kid already on contract to wear Nike shoes is leaning UK. We just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Agreed to disagree. But can you tell me what you think Nike should have done differently?
 

BookofMormon

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This is 100% on Pope, he failed in recruiting all year long, he missed out on every major HS and portal player he went after, to have 14 campus visits and go 0-14 is surreal, he finally got the players that no other elite programs were seriously interested in. Duke wouldn‘t have signed any player on our roster, neither would UCONN, UM, etc.
They would as back ups.
 
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anot

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As for Stokes, he was never coming here, he used Kentucky to drive up what Kansas was offering. This kid loves the attention and didn’t think twice about really coming here. As for all the hype in the media about him, he better be able to take. The criticism he’s going to get when he doesn’t live up to the hype, because he’s going to get it.
I defended him when it comes to the hype. I really think he's going to be a stud. But since he picked KU I hope he is a bust. Or hope he sits out like many said he would.
 
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anot

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Oh of course, difference being they’re our starters, 12 losses, absolute minimum, more likely 15+.
Dang man do you really think this roster as is will do better than last year? Hoping we add another player tho.
 
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Here is the Excuse. Pope thought Moreno was coming back all along so Pope didn’t prioritize finding a starting big until they were all gone. Now the prospects are down to MAC level players and it leaves us even worse off. The truth is, Pope is the absolute worst recruiter in power conference basketball and he could have had 12 months to find a replacement and we would still be in the same spot.
This ^
 

TheApostleSaulSmith

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I have noticed this trend with Pope. He usually leaves himself an "out". One of the several reasons I am suspicious of his character
 

PastorofMuppets82

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It's going to be wild if Moreno stays in the draft for multiple reasons.

- 60% or more of this board said Moreno would only play developmental cigar minutes when he signed
- 75% or more of this board said he would get some early backup minutes and then get buried at the end of the bench once JQ came back with Garrison moving to the backup Center.
- But Pope can't recruit OADs, Pope can't develop players, Pope can't put guys into the NBA...
- 2026 Center high ranked high school recruits didn't want to sit behind Moreno, (not an excuse for Pope striking out by the way) so we signed no high school centers
- We didn't go after a starter level portal center, and even if we did, they weren't coming with Moreno competition (and let's face it, Pope wants passing bigs, not scorers at Center which narrows the pool substantially).
- Some will use Moreno leaving as an excuse for next season. Some will use Moreno leaving as "proof" Pope can recruit potential NBA talent, develop them, and get them into the NBA. Some people will say Pope turned an expected end of bench young, underweight, no strength project into a first rounder.
- Others will say Pope can't recruit and had no plan in case Moreno went Pro. Others will point to other teams feasting in high school recruiting and the portal while we go hungry. Others will predict us to finish dead last in the SEC and go the NIT.

Either way, this board is gonna be lit and full of entertainment.
 

TheApostleSaulSmith

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Man I really wish I could be a fly on the wall when Pope talks to players and recruits so I could know the level of weirdness he gives off on a scale to 100.
Dude I've had that thought so many times recently. I'd pay top dollar even for just a grainy bad-quality video.
 
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Ukdaddy98

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The built in excuses are over. There won’t be an out, regardless if Moreno bolts or not. Pope was a knee jerk hire by an AD that couldn’t land the big fish. He had an overachieving season followed by one of the most disappointing of my lifetime. Another disappointment on the hardwood with a new AD means (even if Mark Hill) means a change has to happen or unimaginable harm will be brought to the program. There is already a horrible perception nationally of our ability to get high school talent, and this cannot continue. We are not far away from being irrelevant… not just nationally… even in our own conference that we dominated for decades.

Pope would have to win even if he had a roster of blind hobbits.
It’s win or go home now!

And yes, Pope knows it too!
 

ftp000

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It is amazing to me that so many great, yet unemployed basketball minds exist in one place. Any D1 program looking to build a winning program quickly needn't look any further than here. This place makes LinkedIn irrelevant.

I truly can't wait for this roster to be completed so I can take the summer off from this place. The mental midgets constantly parroting each other using such genius terms, like "huggers" and "pumpers" nauseate me now. Year after year it's the same repetitive tripe. I hope y'all get some new material next season.
 

CatManFromCa

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Agreed to disagree. But can you tell me what you think Nike should have done differently?
1. Nike absolutely could have…and normally does… give their flagship bball programs a read on where their contracted athletes are leaning.

2. Nike absolutely could have helped enforce a Decision Timeline (Standard Practice)…that didn’t leave Pope picking up scraps in the portal!

3. Nike could have helped with communication with the Agent (This Happens Constantly)!

4. Nike could have better protected one of their Flagship Bball Programs (Basic Brand Management)!

5. Nike showed they now only protect Duke & Oregon in bball, not UK. No way Nike would have allowed this to happen to Duke or Oregon!
 

Hitman206

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That is a terrible way of going about things for any coach. If You have a player testing the draft out you assume he's gone till he isnt. If Pope ever says anything close to what you just said I hope BBN scolds him. I hope whoever he says that to bust out laughing in his face and ask him if he's serious.

Man I really wish I could be a fly on the wall when Pope talks to players and recruits so I could know the level of weirdness he gives off on a scale to 100.
Musselman said if one of his players is in the draft, he assumes he is not coming back and finds a replacement.
 
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TheApostleSaulSmith

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“Built in excuse” 🤣
idk man apparently having a righty PG when he needed a lefty totally ruined the season last year. And rather than address the problem by bringing in a lefty PG when he still had time to do so, he waited until after the season to bring it up. Why would he do that>
 

Delk4three

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1. Nike absolutely could have…and normally does… give their flagship bball programs a read on where their contracted athletes are leaning.

2. Nike absolutely could have helped enforce a Decision Timeline (Standard Practice)…that didn’t leave Pope picking up scraps in the portal!

3. Nike could have helped with communication with the Agent (This Happens Constantly)!

4. Nike could have better protected one of their Flagship Bball Programs (Basic Brand Management)!

5. Nike showed they now only protect Duke & Oregon in bball, not UK. No way Nike would have allowed this to happen to Duke or Oregon!
I'm the type that likes to try to control my own destiny as much as I can. If I had been Pope, I'm not waiting on "Nike", I set my own deadline, if not committed move on.
 

ftp000

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Musselman said if one of his players is in the draft, he assumes he is not coming back and finds a replacement.
He also said it's okay if a player provides the gun, and drives the getaway car in a drive by.
What a leader of young men he is.
 

kyhankypanky

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Guys, the donors aren’t $upporting Pope. In NIL era, that is the death sentence.

Shame we threw away this season.

Day 1 the new AD needs to announce that Pope is done and immediately work on his replacement regardless if we are 5,10, 20 games into our likely losing season
 

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I disagree with this sentiment. Moreno would be an All-SEC player if he returns. This kid grew up fast and even looks thinner and more mature now at the combine.
He is priority number one for next season.
I’m not saying he doesn’t have a lot of talent. That wasn’t my point at all. If he looks “thinner” now than he did at the end of the season, then that’s a major problem. He needs to add bulk, not get thinner. That would be like Manute Bol losing weight.
 

catfanlou

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Who cares? No individual poster decides the fate of the coach either way. There’s like two people left who still believe fully in Pope. Just let them be. Personally, I’m absolutely miserable having no hope about the future with the coach. Why would I want others to be miserable like me? Too many of us care what someone else thinks about this topic. Again, doesn’t matter.
Your name says it all.