I think the point Sean is making was more that our fan base overinflated Grant’s abilities and accomplishments as a frosh. My view is that Sean’s right in that his 3 point shooting, free throws, and scoring ability slightly improved overall, but he was less efficient because the focus was no longer on Dylan and Ace to allow him easy baskets. His offense was disappointing relative to the hype and he allowed it to impact the rest of his game. Grant was a pretty solid rebounder as a frosh grabbing 3.4 rpg in 18.8 min. As a sophomore in BIG play, he only grabbed 3.3 rpg in 22.6 min and we arguably needed him more in 2025-26 which is where the biggest disappointment came.
Chris Nwuli to Seton Hall
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I think the point Sean is making was more that our fan base overinflated Grant’s abilities and accomplishments as a frosh. My view is that Sean’s right in that his 3 point shooting, free throws, and scoring ability slightly improved overall, but he was less efficient because the focus was no longer on Dylan and Ace to allow him easy baskets. His offense was disappointing relative to the hype and he allowed it to impact the rest of his game. Grant was a pretty solid rebounder as a frosh grabbing 3.4 rpg in 18.8 min. As a sophomore in BIG play, he only grabbed 3.3 rpg in 22.6 min and we arguably needed him more in 2025-26 which is where the biggest disappointment came.
Fair. He scored more big only this year by a point, rebounds dropped by 1/2 a board with extra minutes. He wasn't materially better or worse, just as bad.
lol
you are debating whether the players are good enough to play at a power 4! I said NONE 2 weeks into the season.
YOU tried a gotcha moment by bringing up Seton Hall and the MWC as your points to win the debate. (Neither power 4)
YOU doubled down by saying he must be good because Seton hall wanted him.
Then in another chat told everyone how bad he is and needs to be a deep option guy lmao
I let the ppl decide L.
It's got nothing to do with stats. He was also terrible last year though, by some metrics the worst on the team. Improving his free throw shooting by 15% is taking a step. A small step, but it's something. Dude had 3 assists last year. He almost got that up to .5 per game. Awful, but improvement. You have to recognize how bad he was to see the improvement. You are probably one of the guys who thought he'd be team leader this year.
Dylan Grant feasted on OOC opponents this last season while the season before his OOC play was horrendous. Looking at Big Ten play only, his overall fg% dropped dramatically from 48% to 40%, while his 3pt fg% dropped from an anemic 25% to 24% and his rebounding dropped from 3.7 rebounds per game to 3.4. His ft% did increase from 57% to 69%, but overall he lost ground in Big Ten play when he wasn’t playing the cupcakes.
He didm't show being a top college talent at Rutgers, maybe being at the Hall will work out better in that account.
But until it happens anyone's evaluation of Nwuli's skills must be accepted.
For all we know he might prove to be a player Duke might want, or someone not talented enough for a MWC program to consider, after he shows his skills in South Orange.
One thing in his favor,Seton Hall desperately needs front-court players, so Nwuli will be given every chance to prove his worth.
Per Brian Fonseca of NJ.com: “Nwuli showed glimpses of the athleticism and physical traits that make him an intriguing prospect, particularly as a defender, but his limited action and up-and-down play show that he still has some distance to go to realize his potential.
you are a confused and angry man… and over the stupidest of conversations
You continue to put words in my mouth - i never said Chris n was “bad” and i never said he was a “deep option” guy. I said that right now he is not a starter level and that he’s talented, was highly rated and therefore might develop into a very solid player . I said all those things.
when you need to resort to hyperbole and lies (putting words in people mouths that are very different than what they actually said)… you have shown you have no point
you are clearly not interested or incapable of civil, HONEST discourse so you are going on ignore - like the few on here that are incapable of grown up conversation.
good riddance
He was absolutely worse on the glass as he was relied on more. There is no recordable stat to capture “missed rebounds” that clearly should’ve been secured with effort but direct observation of this failure is where, in my view, Grant disappointed the most this season.
I actually think he can be a contributor! He will have to put a lot of work in on his shot and touch! It will be a work ethic and fit thing for him.
Your ringing endorsement “apparently he has some potential but I gotta think that if he’s a starter for shu then shu is in deep trouble! “
I will miss you
He played 17 minutes in two games in the OOC his first season. Meaningless. He sucked both years, but showed improvement in places this year if you pay attention closely. He also took a step back in places.
I tend to agree with you, but he's a 6'6 underclassman playing the four in the biggest conference in the country. He shouldn't have been counted on for big rebounding numbers, disappointment is relative to the expectations. He's a tweener, not big enough for the four, not sure he's quick enough for a pure wing role.
I didn’t really mean it that way. It was the one metric that was disappointing relative to his frosh season. For him to grab more rebounds while playing less alongside a much better collective group of teammate rebounders in 2024-25 (Ace grabbed 7.2 and Dylan 4.6 on top of whatever Lathan, Ogbole and Martini got) - suggests it was reasonable to expect more rebounds from him in his sophomore campaign. I agree with you on everything else. He wasn’t a playmaker as a frosh so expecting him to be a go to player was ridiculous.
He is a better fit as a 4 at a lower level conference where he won’t be overmatched.
No doubt, but even those places have guys 6'7 to 6'9 in their front courts. He might have quickness on those guys tho.
Funny - last year you were preaching that we didn’t even have anyone who could contribute on a decent mid-major. Nwuli logged less mpg than everyone on the roster except Fall and Ware.
Yes stand behind that! Reread that I said it’s going to take ALOT of work! In 2 years maybe he can help. Feeling good that 65 percent of the team left and no real big schools! I know you pointed out 13-18 ND last in the ACC and the MWC as success.
At this point your trolling over your father’s ineptitude is getting to be funny
Ok - cool. We kept the best guys on the team. EO isn’t expected to be eligible. Everyone else seems to be landing other places just fine. The issue was more that we were so bad at a few key things that we couldn’t possibly compete. I’m cautiously optimistic going into next season because of this.
It's all about what Holloway can get out of him as opposed to Pikiell, and I think it's a lot more.
Give some defense? Dylan Grant is an awful defender. His awful offense if better than his awful defense.
We'll see if Sha can bring out the talent he's supposed to have or if he moves on because he didn't make the grade as a major program player.
The Hall needs frontcourt starters, so if he can prove his worth he might be a plus and someone that Pike didn't develop like he should have
If not , don't blame Pike.
Just like Gavin Griffith did when he went to Nebraska.
this such an easy comment to make . The kid was a very raw but athletic freshman. Basically did exactly what his scouting report said he would
Now you’re gonna come on here touting what a better coach Holloway is when Chris N puts up rather standard and expected freshman-to-sophomore improvements.
Now if he all of a sudden shows dynamic offensive moves he never showed at Rutgers THEN you might have a point or if his numbers truly jump in not so typical ways ….
Otherwise - yeah he’s gonna improve
Have to agree here. There is no doubt Nwuli will show improvement with age/experience no matter who the coach is. We've seen Pike with the same profile player in a Mag or Eugene, so we have no idea how he would have developed here. Yes, Seton Halls system may be a better fit, but that's not development.this such an easy comment to make . The kid was a very raw but athletic freshman. Basically did exactly what his scouting report said he would
Now you’re gonna come on here touting what a better coach Holloway is when Chris N puts up rather standard and expected freshman-to-sophomore improvements.
Now if he all of a sudden shows dynamic offensive moves he never showed at Rutgers THEN you might have a point or if his numbers truly jump in not so typical ways ….
Otherwise - yeah he’s gonna improve
I want to give Grant his props on offense. Moving without the ball to get open for easy ones under the basket is a skill. I wish my own kids had more of it… like anything else, this skill is more important in certain situations than others - such as when defensive forwards have to account for players like Ace Bailey. In the right situation, Grant could be effective as a complementary scorer and it probably doesn’t all that much the level of play. He’ll be at his best, IMO, playing alongside impact offensive players in the frontcourt (relative to the level he’s playing at). He cannot be a go to style player at any level IMO, but he’s good at taking advantage of situations where others have to be over accounted for. On D - he’s just not good.
The proper word is historical because it happened. There is nothing historical about it. It's insignificant, unimportant and nobody should care.Historic in the sense that it’s the first time a player from either rival school transferred to the other.
Next years game should be a little more interesting.
Texas-Western winning the NCAAs is historic. UCLA's streak is historic. Nwuli's in-state transfer LOL.