Moreno: How much in NIL vs. NBA late first round $$$?

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Then why does Thomas Haugh keep returning? They just find the 2-3 players who care about winning more than money and contracts.
Knowing you have a really good shot at winning a title has to help I would think

Also it's Florida. Pretty weather fun campus. A college kids dream
 
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This is becoming a little concerning. I was pretty certain he would be back, but now he is getting legitimate interest and maybe he worries that his stock might not get much better after another year at Kentucky. He was very good for part of last season, so maybe NBA teams are looking at that for upside. Nothing would surprise me.
We are going to be super screwed if he leaves. If he does and Thomas Haigh and the Florida bigs return not once, but twice. I’m convinced the basketball gods hate us now.
 
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Maybe I’m not remembering things correctly, but I can’t think of many times where I watched MM, especially against SEC bigs, and thought “wow, this guy is a sure-fire NBA player one day”. He had some moments where he was good, but there are a lot of things he would need to improve upon before being an NBA contributor. Though if the draft is weak (seems folks have said it is) and the money is right, I can’t blame him for taking it.
This draft is stacked though, just not as much as his position. I can’t believe he would be a mid-late first round pick yet. This is the same league that selected Anthony Bennett number one overall though.
 
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Provided there is a second contract. I wonder where one can find stats on second round and low first round picks not having contracts renewed after the first agreement is complete.
Roughly 50% of first-round picks fail to get a second contract or extension offered by the specific team that drafted them. For mid-to-late first-round picks (picks 15-30), the odds are lower, with significantly fewer than half typically securing a long-term second contract with their original team. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Overall First Round Trend: Only about 35% of all 1st-round picks sign a second contract with the same team
 
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Guys rarely return and improve their draft stock.
True but two things that make this situation different are . . .

1. Malachi hasnt actually shown the extra skills needed to run him up the draft boards. There are one or two teams projecting him to gain those skills over time and thats why the first round interest now, but if he comes back and SHOWS those skills next year then it goes from a couple projecting to a bunch of teams already seeing his skillls and that creates big time demand for next year over this year.

2. Next years draft looks easier than this years draft so even if he stayed the same his status should improve.
 

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Obviously we’re way apart on Diallo. But UK was offering $4mil for Williams from BYU. And after he said no, Diallo was the second choice. And he probably didn’t get $4 mill but I doubt he accepted only $1.5 mill. The number I read early on somewhere was $3 mill. We won’t know unless he comes out and tells someone what he got.

Hawthorne and Kam both got over 1 mil to stay. And N’Diaye and McBride right there.

So my calculation is 13-14 mil right now including Mareno.

So we can agree to disagree. We probably won’t know for sure. But we can agree that if the Stokes money can be thrown at Mom, it will make him by far the highest paid player on the roster if he signs up.
Matt jones said Diallo was the second most expensive UK recruit in the NIL era.
 

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Matt jones said Diallo was the second most expensive UK recruit in the NIL era.
I read a base of $2.5mil with incentives up to $3mil for year one and a pay jump for the 2nd year. I don't see how the $2.5 would make him #1, maybe the $3mil...
 

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That’s my feeling. If the Knicks were gonna draft me I’d return. I would never live in NYC.
Oh geez.

Would you rather make $3 million after taxes but every morning you wake up in OKC/Orlando/Detroit/Houston, or make $2.75 million and wake up also really rich in the greatest city on the planet?

Unless of course you’ve either never been to NYC or only been to Midtown. But it’s a no-brainer. Not many horse farms or mountain villas as NBA 25 year olds personal residences.
 

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Time for Pope to grow a set, needs to tell Malachi to make decision by Friday it makes no sense to get dragged around especially when UK is going to pay him as much or more next season. This crap is getting Old quick for a lot of BBN!!!!!! I'd love to have Moreno next season but at some point Kentucky needs to make a stand!!!
 

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I think he stays in school, but these official combine measurements without shoes are bad news for UK:

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For reference, Bidunga was under 6'8" and Boozer was 6'8.25". Moreno is the second tallest player (behind Mara) in the entire draft.
Is that last bit true? This has him 4th if you sort by height. Still impressive, didn't realize he was that tall. His standing reach is up there too. I was a doubter, I'm starting to see stuff that may say first. I wonder if he grew.

 
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I read a base of $2.5mil with incentives up to $3mil for year one and a pay jump for the 2nd year. I don't see how the $2.5 would make him #1, maybe the $3mil...
Not to nit pick, but I think the word "incentives" is not what you meant maybe? "Incentives" falls under pay for play and is illegal under current NIL rules. However, "potential" earnings are legal and something UK does do. For instance if the University or some donor entity (with JMI licensing approval) decides to sell Diallo bobble heads, or mini basketballs, or jerseys, or t-shirts, or whatever, they can have a contract that provides Diallo a percentage of the sales of each individual piece of merch.

This obviously can't be "set" as an NIL hard number up front, so it is projected as a possible earn. It skirts pay for play rules, while incentivizing Zoom to play well and be likeable. The better he plays, and the more likeable he is here, the more UK merch with his name on it gets sold to fans, the more money he makes. Think like if EA makes a new NCAA basketball game and decides to use real player likeness. They'd probably work out a deal for a lump sum to each player, but they could structure it as a percentage to each player based on sales. The better the game does, the better the more money the player makes. Only in this case, UK is EA, and they're making shirts and hats and foam fingers instead of a video game.

This is why you will see some sliding scales on NIL offers. "We offered $3M-$5M for him" probably means we offered $2.5M in NIL, $500K in Rev Share, and the market analyzed potential of $0M-$2M in sales revenue on your likeness. And the media will report it as we offered/paid "X" player $5M in NIL without missing a beat.
 
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Time for Pope to grow a set, needs to tell Malachi to make decision by Friday it makes no sense to get dragged around especially when UK is going to pay him as much or more next season. This crap is getting Old quick for a lot of BBN!!!!!! I'd love to have Moreno next season but at some point Kentucky needs to make a stand!!!
What does UK have to stand on?
Malachi is holding all the cards what exactly does UK have to bargain with?
Give his spot to someone else? Lol!
They just have to wait and if he does stay in, there's nothing but scrubs to take his roster spot.
Just reality of the situation.
 

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Not to nit pick, but I think the word "incentives" is not what you meant maybe? "Incentives" falls under pay for play and is illegal under current NIL rules. However, "potential" earnings are legal and something UK does do. For instance if the University or some donor entity (with JMI licensing approval) decides to sell Diallo bobble heads, or mini basketballs, or jerseys, or t-shirts, or whatever, they can have a contract that provides Diallo a percentage of the sales of each individual piece of merch.

This obviously can't be "set" as an NIL hard number up front, so it is projected as a possible earn. It skirts pay for play rules, while incentivizing Zoom to play well and be likeable. The better he plays, and the more likeable he is here, the more UK merch with his name on it gets sold to fans, the more money he makes. Think like if EA makes a new NCAA basketball game and decides to use real player likeness. They'd probably work out a deal for a lump sum to each player, but they could structure it as a percentage to each player based on sales. The better the game does, the better the more money the player makes. Only in this case, UK is EA, and they're making shirts and hats and foam fingers instead of a video game.

This is why you will see some sliding scales on NIL offers. "We offered $3M-$5M for him" probably means we offered $2.5M in NIL, $500K in Rev Share, and the market analyzed potential of $0M-$2M in sales revenue on your likeness. And the media will report it as we offered/paid "X" player $5M in NIL without missing a beat.
Oh, someone is still pretending NIL is really NIL and not pay for play? The fiction lives?

Incentive pay is legal, it just might violate current NCAA rules. The question is whether current NCAA rules are legal.
 

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Malachi appears to be doing everything agreed upon. He did not enter the portal, which would have placed UK in a real pickle and bidding war if he decides not to stay in the draft. He is investigating the draft, as agreed upon. He will make a decision he deems best for him, as agreed upon. He is doing everything in this new world of basketball that fans should want him to do. If his stock is truly rising and UK wants to sweeten its agreement as an incentive, that would make sense. Otherwise, we know when the withdrawal deadline is. We wait. And, if Mal decides before that date, hopefully he tells the staff.
 
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Oh, someone is still pretending NIL is really NIL and not pay for play? The fiction lives?

Incentive pay is legal, it just might violate current NCAA rules. The question is whether current NCAA rules are legal.
Everyone else is breaking the rules, but as long as we still have Mitch at the helm, UK won't be breaking those rules. He's literally the hard charger at the front of the doing things by the book (including things from the Score Act that never passed) carrying the torch.
 
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Roughly 50% of first-round picks fail to get a second contract or extension offered by the specific team that drafted them. For mid-to-late first-round picks (picks 15-30), the odds are lower, with significantly fewer than half typically securing a long-term second contract with their original team. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Overall First Round Trend: Only about 35% of all 1st-round picks sign a second contract with the same team
Good read. I posted a few years back during Cal's term here that all these first round picks are great but after watching a NBA GM explain the process one day, I remember what he said about kids with talent can go first round but it is that second contract that is the hardest.
 

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Hes crazy if he doesn't go now. He's the type player who's stock only drops by coming back. It's very rare for a player to come back and jump. Yaxel being an athletic freak who lacked good coaching is the exception

Zach Edey
Clingan.
I guess both of those guys jump in stock but both had an exceptional talent in one area. Edey was a freak in size
 
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