The goal post was power 4 schools!
1 player and ND coach is being fired
I was wrong !
BB Recruiting Kansas State transfer center Dorin Buca commits to Rutgers
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1 player and ND coach is being fired
I was wrong !
The fact that your trying to use Fall who couldn’t play for us and the MWC in your argument lets me know, who is winning!
Huh? You realize that Fall “could” have played. 3 other players beat him out, but centers are so hard to come by that he was able to land in one of the better midmajor conferences despite not seeing the floor at 3 previous places. That is the reality of the center market.
And yet somehow, you and others think not one high major would have interest in our 4.7 ppg / 6 rpg center who shot at a decent efficiency. I’m not saying he’s great but that profile easily lands him on a high major - and he’d have options. Not just one.
You guys are hanging on the rim for 1 kid and ND ! lol 13-18 ND. Lmao
The school who only cares about football.
You were right ND 13-18, a player in fall who played idk 20 mins for us total, and Seton hall(Non power 4)
I’ll take the L!
You have to be analytic guys I’m guessing?
why you so angry ?
this is such a silly argument
no one ever said any of our big guys were great. We all know what they did.
but when even fall is STILL getting chance in the MWC - as the poster above said - it says everything about the market for big guys
Considering where the guys behind him ended up - the suggestion that ogbole wouldn’t have been picked up by a p4 school is just…. Dumb
why you’re even arguing - and seemingly so angry about … chill.
Sitting on the floor for the RU UCLA game, it’s was comical. Our talent and size level wasn’t even close. Ogbole would have been window dressing at the end of their bench.
There are plenty of teams with money to buy multiple centers where he wouldn’t have played much - but those obviously wouldn’t be the ones that would go after him. Not every team can afford 2-3 top tier centers, but some can.
It’s amazing though that we have an active offseason thread contending that because our 4.7 ppg center was worse than these starting centers this somehow means if our guy played 7 less minutes (19 down to 12 as a back up somewhere) he wouldn’t even score 2. And then - when folks point this out, the counter goes back to proving EO was the worst starter in the league (which not one poster disagreed with in the first place). Ridiculous.
truly a bizarre conversation
them: OG sucks . No one would want him
us: I know OG wasn’t good but big guys are highly sought after and even the mediocre / bad ones find a home
them: you guys are making him out to be “Moses Malone and Hakeem Olawan wrapped into one”.
Us: no one has ever said anything remotely close to that on this board. ever.
them: He sssssssuuuuuccccckkkksssss!!!! He never should have been a starter!!!
us: again, not a single person has argued otherwise but look - even the guys he started over found homes in p4/ MWC
them: no no no no but OG sucks !!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
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Very bizarre
them: you don’t get it EO avg 4 pts a game
us: 4 pts as a starting center built like an Angry Bruce Banner
them: You know he shot 58% from the field top 5 in fg % for power 4 players
us: Great and the staff was so confident in him they never got him the ball
them: the center market is so out of hand so ofc he is a power 4 player
us: have you ever watched a bb game? More specifically ours?
We all agree he’s not a power 4 player and good at all! pointless conversation
Our size and talent didn’t match up, but Ogbole at 6’10 was not the reason, with 8 points on 4-5 FG, 5 rebounds and 2 blocks in that game.
As a backup he would not be any more “window dressing” than UCLA’s backup center, 6’11 Booker.
Booker averaged 7.3 points in 20 minutes vs Ogbole’s 4.8 points in 19 minutes, but Manny shot 60% vs 55% for Booker, Manny averaged 6 rebounds vs 3.5 for Booker, and they both averaged 1.2 blocks per game. Hardly an “end of the bench” comparison.
Clearly, Ogbole is good enough to be a backup center on a P4 team.
So sad you had to sit on the floor, too bad you could not afford to get a seat!
Very bizarre
them: you don’t get it EO avg 4 pts a game
us: 4 pts as a starting center built like an Angry Bruce Banner
them: You know he shot 58% from the field top 5 in fg % for power 4 players
us: Great and the staff was so confident in him they never got him the ball
them: the center market is so out of hand so ofc he is a power 4 player
us: have you ever watched a bb game? More specifically ours?
We all agree he’s not a power 4 player and good at all! pointless conversation
Actually - How about circling back to the OP? This thread is about our acquisition for the the BACK UP CENTER role. There’s nothing irrelevant about comparing what Ogbole could provide as a back up to what our new addition can add. What’s “pointless” is a discussion that keeps coming up about Ogbole not cutting it as a starter. He started by default - but he didn’t even play half of the game so for 21 minutes someone other than Big O played the 5 last season.
And by the way - stats aren’t everything but since you keep going back to points as being the end all be all - did you think Myles Johnson wasn’t good enough to be a back up at any high major? In his last season at UCLa - playing 18.1 mpg (net even a minute less than Ogbole) he averaged 3.6 ppg and and 5.4 rpg. By the way, I think MJ was mountains better than EO, but you keep harping on only 4 ppg (it’s 4.7 actually) on 19 min as this clear indicator of I don’t even know what.
EO doesn’t deserve for claims that he can’t contribute at all, even as a back up, to go unchallenged. And that’s true even if Buca turns out to be a super star.
I just don’t get this White Knight incessant mentality to defend EO. He played for us, he gave his all with effort and time to move on. Should we argue over the merits of Harun Zrno as a legit big 10 player, his merits as a starter, merits as a backup, whether he belongs in the conference, etc.. No, he’s gone, just like the others who entered the portal and won’t be back here next year. Any chance we can turn the page and talk about the guys who are here Buca, Gurdak, Sydnor, Smith, etc.., the guys we hope that can help get this thing turned around.
Wish I was sitting on the floor. Would have been right next to those hot @SS cheerleaders they have.
He was getting pushed around constantly. That tarzan body plays like jane. And his hands are bricks.
This entire conversation is silly. He might not even have any eligibility left. No way you wait around to find out if he will, and would he even want to come back in a back up role? Too many ifs. We upgraded from him with two guys. That's the takeaway. Good luck to him, seemed like a good guy who gave effort his skill set allowed.
The coaching staff doesn’t agree with you, they need to play winning basketball to make sure they get another year or more.
No - he’s just not a guarantee to be eligible. We could not wait so it was never even in the cards.
The difference is our fan base isn’t continually posting about how bad they are relative to others despite the statistical data suggesting otherwise. I wasn’t a huge fan of Zrno’s game per se but if for example, we had fans claiming that Duarte was a clear upgrade over him as a back up shooting guard I’d speak up in that case too.
Pike said he was moving on even if eligible.
This non-stop defense of a poor player is utterly ridiculous. I’m glad I didn’t frequent this board when Ralph Agee was on the team.
I’m going to end here because we have no information to debate this. We have no idea, if eligible, what Ogbole’s salary requirements would be relative to others (I’m sure Pike knows this - he was not choosing to keep Ware over Ogbole if both were free, for instance) or how likely he is to get a waiver, and so on. No information.
If Ogbole gets a waiver, we’ll eventually see where he lands. It certainly will not be at the D2 level or at a low major who can’t afford to pay him.
It might just be me, but I just don’t care too much about guys that leave the school once they transfer out. I pay attention to where the news of where they transfer to, that’s about it. Don’t see the need for continued debates, discussions…..people still like to debate about Derek Simpson as one example…..who cares?!?!?! I get debating about, for example, can Lino be our starting point guard? Is he better served as a 6th man off the bench? Will we bring in a starting point guard? Can Buchanan play the 4 and does he have enough size? Does Kaden Powers fit in at all with all the guards that we may end up with? Will our team defense be better next season? How do we stack up in the Big 10 at the center position with Gurdak and Buca? These are just a few topics that deal with the current roster. The program and Ogbole have moved on, any chance we can? I am tilting at windmills here I know, but just had to make a pointless point.
Not much point in talking about the new guys until we see them on the floor against the talent level we play against. Anything negative said about them now will just be met with a you are negative response. I'd rather, for now, stick up for a kid that spent three years here and tried his best. Next season is when they become someone I support. At this point all it is is I wish them the best.
These are good questions, and each could be a good OP. We can only work with what's put out there.
What was put out there was a thread regarding the acquisition of Buca in the title but it of course went off the rails with Ogbole.
If there is not much point talking about the new guys, then there is totally and completely zero point in talking and debating about the old guys who will never step on the court for us again. But to each his own, I know I am tilting at windmills here with this one.
Put me in the camp of being pleased with the Buca signing and I felt EO could be a backup at RU 10mins/game.
I’m glad Buca has a different skillset than EO. Legit 7’2” with long arms, can set a pick and role to the basket, can catch a ball clean and make a bunny. Not as strong as EO and may get pushed around but his length don’t lie.
EO was a tank who could get a rb, improved anticipation to get a block and was a presence in stature in paint defensively but was not a fluid athlete, had suspect hands, was not an option on the box offensively and not nimble with feet.
Buca as a true backup center is an upgrade.
GO RU
I’m glad Buca has a different skillset than EO. Legit 7’2” with long arms, can set a pick and role to the basket, can catch a ball clean and make a bunny. Not as strong as EO and may get pushed around but his length don’t lie.
EO was a tank who could get a rb, improved anticipation to get a block and was a presence in stature in paint defensively but was not a fluid athlete, had suspect hands, was not an option on the box offensively and not nimble with feet.
Buca as a true backup center is an upgrade.
GO RU
I agree completely with your second paragraph. No need to throw him under the bus, as performance-wise he would be fine as a backup center for another high major program if he is deemed eligible.
I hear you, but w the new guys, we think Smith can probably score, but will he play any D whatsoever. Syndor didn't even play last year, so no one has seen him physically on a court in over a year to know if he's a solid answer at the four. We all think Gurdak is an improvement at starting C, the question is how much? He's more talented offensively, but he's not a feed the post guy, he gets' his points the same way EO did, loose balls, put backs, the occasional drop off at the rim. Hopefully he's a smarter defender as he's not the shot blocker or rebounder EO was, yet. Hopefully he progresses beyond what he showed. Buca is an upgrade over Dortch, could be the biggest upgrade overall thus far (hopefully not), but we still have some limitations at C. Neither of them are going to be good out on the perimeter against five out teams.
We just have more questions than any solid evidence to discuss.
There can be no question that at 7'2" and pretty good about running the boards, Buca fits Pikes version of a rim protecting shot blocking defender. Solid reserve who is not going to go off script. This is a major upgrade in fit more so than talent.