Rutgers doesn’t win enough because most of you don’t donate enough

[RU#1fan]

Stop it with the iron-clad logic and reasoned arguments. There’s no place for that in a fan forum.

This
No amount of money for NIL or for the Al fantasy Fieldhouse is going to make up for HC incompetency. When RU gets pass this we will begin to get serious about winning.

 

[Kbe4]

This
No amount of money for NIL or for the Al fantasy Fieldhouse is going to make up for HC incompetency. When RU gets pass this we will begin to get serious about winning.

Christ, i remember saying that about Anderson, Shea, Graber, Ash, and Flood.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

This
No amount of money for NIL or for the Al fantasy Fieldhouse is going to make up for HC incompetency. When RU gets pass this we will begin to get serious about winning.

This is what fans like you have said for the last 150 years. We’ve changed coaches but never changed the results, because our value proposition hasn’t been competitive for the best football players. This is why we haven’t been able to attract the best players and coaches.

We’ve been trying to win with mostly Tier II kids and it hasn’t worked out. Rutgers should not have to settle for Tier II kids alone. We should be getting our share of Tier I kids, but we are locked out of their recruitment, even though we have the best location. The best kids in NJ are leaving for better experiences and a bigger bag elsewhere. It doesn’t have to be this way.

But it takes an alumni base to write the big checks
To support football success. I understand not everyone is in position to do so, but that is what it takes. There is no path to greater success that doesn’t involve more money.

Have to improve the Rutgers Football product first, before we move on to other areas. Indiana spent $86M on Football infrastructure and also significantly increased their NIL support and that helped them recruit a coach like Cignetti.

Improving our football infrastructure is critical. Michigan has two football fieldhouses and we don’t even have one. They are also paying their quarterback $4M in NIL. These are huge reasons it is difficult for us to recruit against them.

If everything were equal, we would be winning our share of recruits against them.

 

[Section124]

Look how many teams have field houses and still suck. Why would that be the final need for a program that historically is not good. Need better coaches.

 

[Caliknight]

He gets outcoached because his plays don’t work because we are weak in the trenches. We gave up close to 40 sacks last year while notching close to 11. That tells the story of last season. You need studs in the trenches and we don’t have them. So we have to put up with lackluster results.

He gets out coached when teams have even close to similar talent. Why? He’s a bad coach. Losing record and never won anything that matters.

 

[MCRU93]

He gets out coached when teams have even close to similar talent. Why? He’s a bad coach. Losing record and never won anything that matters.

Man, I thought you were talking about the Lacrosse team for a minute! (but at least hes slightly above .500). Lots of similarities these days across sports..unfortunately

 

[Caliknight]

Man, I thought you were talking about the Lacrosse team for a minute! (but at least hes slightly above .500). Lots of similarities these days across sports..unfortunately

Brecht is far more successful as a coach than Schiano. He has multiple COY the year awards, has brought two different teams to the NCAA tournament, been to the FF, won numerous conference championships at Siena, beaten more ranked teams than I can remember, and yes, has a winning record. So yea, way more successful than Schiano.

Your fixation on me and lacrosse is bizarre.

 

[MCRU93]

Brecht is far more successful as a coach than Schiano. He has multiple COY the year awards, has brought two different teams to the NCAA tournament, been to the FF, won numerous conference championships at Siena, beaten more ranked teams than I can remember, and yes, has a winning record. So yea, way more successful than Schiano.

Your fixation on me and lacrosse is bizarre.

Hahaha too easy!! As always, can give it but cant take it. For a guy who trolls and bullies on here 24/7 we would expect you to have a thicker skin. But I know you have a soft spot for your buddy Brian.

I hope both football and lacrosse figure it out and succeed, regardless of who leads them

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Hahaha too easy!! As always, can give it but cant take it. For a guy who trolls and bullies on here 24/7 we would expect you to have a thicker skin. But I know you have a soft spot for your buddy Brian.

I hope both football and lacrosse figure it out and succeed, regardless of who leads them

Another last place finish for them but Greg sucks…lol. At least the women are getting the job done.

 

[Caliknight]

Hahaha too easy!! As always, can give it but cant take it. For a guy who trolls and bullies on here 24/7 we would expect you to have a thicker skin. But I know you have a soft spot for your buddy Brian.

I hope both football and lacrosse figure it out and succeed, regardless of who leads them

Sure you do lol. You're all over the Olympic board making stupid *** statements when the team loses but never anywhere when they win.

Sorry facts hurt your soft little ego. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight next time and you won't get destroyed.

 

[Caliknight]

Another last place finish for them but Greg sucks…lol. At least the women are getting the job done.

8-7. That's unacceptable due to the higher bar Brecht has created. You Schiano fanboi's would be building him a statue if he had a winning season.

 

[MCRU93]

Sure you do lol. You're all over the Olympic board making stupid *** statements when the team loses but never anywhere when they win.

Sorry facts hurt your soft little ego. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight next time and you won't get destroyed.

Oh my goodness haha. I truly didnt know you could get this sensitive. I get it man, facts tend to hurt.

Again, I want success for all the sports programs regardless of who coaches them. Not sure why that bothers you so much

 

[Caliknight]

Bro got ruined by facts and is now crying. That didn't go how he thought it would lol

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Sure you do lol. You're all over the Olympic board making stupid *** statements when the team loses but never anywhere when they win.

Sorry facts hurt your soft little ego. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight next time and you won't get destroyed.

Here’s a fact, I don’t go to the Olympic board. You sound like cable news peddling misinformation.

 

[PSU_Nut]

The only reason we don’t win big, is that most of you aren’t serious about winning. It’s a lot easier to run your big mouth on the messageboard, than write that big check to support the football program.

I have very strong connections to the University of Miami football program, and the biggest reason they played for the National Championship is Money. They paid $4M for their quarterback alone, and also paid a boatload of money for their star right tackle and star defensive end. They literally stole our best defensive player, and compensated him handsomely. He in turn, helped lead them to the National Championship Game, by being a productive tackler.

This is the caliber of talent you need to compete in the big time. We don’t have this caliber of talent, so we do the best we can with what we have. This is the biggest reason we have been mediocre, and will continue to be.

I don’t care what anyone else says, you need money to win Big. Without it, you will be also rans, just as we have been throughout most of our history. We have been trying to Win on the Cheap for the last 150 yrs+ and it hasn’t worked out.

Look at our best competition: Indiana, Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Penn State, and Oregon. Programs like Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin are much better capitalized with the best facilities money can buy. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent over generations. Penn State just spent $700M on their stadium. Rutgers on the other hand, looks like amateur hour. You can’t compete with these programs on a shoestring budget.

This is why we recruit very few of the best New Jersey football players, which really should be our bread and butter.

What do they have that we don’t have? Money, lots of it. Anyone who says we should be able to compete with those programs without more money, is a ******* fool. You don’t make up for a $10M-$20M discrepancy in talent with better coaching, which is what some of you foolishly believe. Michigan is paying $4M a year for their quarterback. They’re also throwing millions at their offensive and defensive lines. What are we paying? A hell of a lot less.

Look at our transfer class. It’s one of the worst in the Big Ten. Why? Not enough NIL support. Look at our high school class. Where is the Anthony Davis and Darius Hamilton recruits? They’re going elsewhere, not Rutgers.

For us to win big, we need:
- the high rollers in the fanbase to write the big checks
- a $300M Fieldhouse
- $15M more in NIL support

Money will cure our performance problems. We need fewer big mouths. More big checks.

Let’s make it happen.

A better question is why would anyone throw money at a career loser? Why would you invest in a program lead by a guy who is 99-108 and has never won anything of signifgance? You say all he needs is money but even when his time at the NFL is proof he still cant win even when money is equal. You will never convince enough donors or corporations to buy in to the program tied Schiano. Too much evidence out there that he simply can't get it done. Look at this board even half the diehards now admit he not going to get it done. Do you think Indiana donors would have jumped on board if they held on to Tom Allen? IF they used the Rutgers AL method of unlimited excuses Indiana would be still hovering around .500 saying we cant compete with the big money.

 

[Caliknight]

Here’s a fact, I don’t go to the Olympic board. You sound like cable news peddling misinformation.

I wasn't talking to you. Smarten up.

 

[RU#1fan]

Brecht is far more successful as a coach than Schiano. He has multiple COY the year awards, has brought two different teams to the NCAA tournament, been to the FF, won numerous conference championships at Siena, beaten more ranked teams than I can remember, and yes, has a winning record. So yea, way more successful than Schiano.

Your fixation on me and lacrosse is bizarre.

Schiano being 3-30 against teams with winning records and a 23% winning percentage in B1G games says it all.

 

[Caliknight]

A better question is why would anyone throw money at a career loser? Why would you invest in a program lead by a guy who is 108-99 and has never won anything of signifgance? You say all he needs is money even when his time at the NFL is proof he still cant win even when money is equal. You will never convince enough donors or corporations to buy in to the program tied Schiano. Too much evidence out there that he simply can't get it done. Look at this board even half the diehards now admit he not going to get it done. Do you think Indiana donors would have jumped on board if they held on to Tom Allen? IF they used the Rutgers AL method of unlimited excuses Indiana would be still hovering around .500 saying we cant compete with the big money.

Keli isn’t raising all of this money for Schiano. It’s so she can show the next coach they will be supported. She very savvy, don’t let the pint size and Appalachian accent fool you. She’s very intelligent and smart like a fox.

 

[Caliknight]

Schiano being 3-30 against teams with winning records and a 23% winning percentage in B1G games says it all.

His defense was getting rung up with all of that OSU talent. It’s no surprise OSU didn’t give him and a look and instead chose Day. OSU knew. Urban Meyer knew. He and Schiano are boys, but he wasn’t leaving what he built to him.

 

[LETSGORU91]

8-7. That's unacceptable due to the higher bar Brecht has created. You Schiano fanboi's would be building him a statue if he had a winning season.

He's had winning seasons two out of the last three years. When was the statue built?

 

[Caliknight]

He's had winning seasons two out of the last three years. When was the statue built?

Listen to some on this board. They talk like he's Rockne. Dude has coached for 17 years in college, not including his two disaster years in the pros. He's 99-108 without those loses. He will very likely retire with a losing record. He's never won anything of consequence and never will.

It's crazy to position him as something other than what he clearly is at this point.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

This is what fans like you have said for the last 150 years. We’ve changed coaches but never changed the results, because our value proposition hasn’t been competitive for the best football players. This is why we haven’t been able to attract the best players and coaches.

We’ve been trying to win with mostly Tier II kids and it hasn’t worked out. Rutgers should not have to settle for Tier II kids alone. We should be getting our share of Tier I kids, but we are locked out of their recruitment, even though we have the best location. The best kids in NJ are leaving for better experiences and a bigger bag elsewhere. It doesn’t have to be this way.

But it takes an alumni base to write the big checks
To support football success. I understand not everyone is in position to do so, but that is what it takes. There is no path to greater success that doesn’t involve more money.

Have to improve the Rutgers Football product first, before we move on to other areas. Indiana spent $86M on Football infrastructure and also significantly increased their NIL support and that helped them recruit a coach like Cignetti.

Improving our football infrastructure is critical. Michigan has two football fieldhouses and we don’t even have one. They are also paying their quarterback $4M in NIL. These are huge reasons it is difficult for us to recruit against them.

If everything were equal, we would be winning our share of recruits against them.

It's hard to recruit against Michigan because they win. They've been winning for 100 years.

 

[Caliknight]

Michigan, like some other schools, win because it all started with their administration. When they want win, it’s a lot easier to get everyone else involved. Some of those schools had the right mindset to start, and it snowballed from there.

 

[Kbe4]

It's hard to recruit against Michigan because they win. They've been winning for 100 years.

That 100,000 seat stadium has gotta help them too. Same with Ohio State and Pedd State. And they don't seem to have trouble filling them up either. When was the last time Rutgers filled up their stadium....which is half that size ?
People in New Jersey are not that into Rutgers football.

 

[RU#1fan]

That 100,000 seat stadium has gotta help them too. Same with Ohio State and Pedd State. And they don't seem to have trouble filling them up either. When was the last time Rutgers filled up their stadium....which is half that size ?
People in New Jersey are not that into Rutgers football.

We could never fill a 100,000 seat at home for Rutgers game.However there is no reason that we can’t consistently sell out a 54,000 seat stadium if we had a competent HC that would lead a competitive team.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Listen to some on this board. They talk like he's Rockne. Dude has coached for 17 years in college, not including his two disaster years in the pros. He's 99-108 without those loses. He will very likely retire with a losing record. He's never won anything of consequence and never will.

It's crazy to position him as something other than what he clearly is at this point.

He’s Rutgers’s version of Rockne, and the best we can get

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

It's hard to recruit against Michigan because they win. They've been winning for 100 years.

They win because alumni write big checks. They don’t whine and cry. They make it happen. So many of them write $20K checks so they can park in the best football parking lot.

They’re spending $4M for their quarterback.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

He’s Rutgers’s version of Rockne, and the best we can get

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

A better question is why would anyone throw money at a career loser? Why would you invest in a program lead by a guy who is 99-108 and has never won anything of signifgance? You say all he needs is money but even when his time at the NFL is proof he still cant win even when money is equal. You will never convince enough donors or corporations to buy in to the program tied Schiano. Too much evidence out there that he simply can't get it done. Look at this board even half the diehards now admit he not going to get it done. Do you think Indiana donors would have jumped on board if they held on to Tom Allen? IF they used the Rutgers AL method of unlimited excuses Indiana would be still hovering around .500 saying we cant compete with the big money.

Indiana previously spent $86M on facilities, so there was no excuse to being smoked by Rutgers in 2023. They spent an additional $10M + on NIL, so Cignetti could land the needed players in 2024.

The notion that Indiana manufactured success out of thin air is complete nonsense. They spent the money to be successful.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Schiano being 3-30 against teams with winning records and a 23% winning percentage in B1G games says it all.

Easily explained by our lack of capital and NIL spending, which hurts recruiting. Northwestern just dropped $1 Billion on facilities for example.

But no one wants to talk about that, because that is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

They win because alumni write big checks. They don’t whine and cry. They make it happen. So many of them write $20K checks so they can park in the best football parking lot.

They’re spending $4M for their quarterback.

They win when they hire good coaches. The alumni wrote the same big checks for Rich Rodriguez, Brady Hoke, and Professor of @SS Sherrone Moore. Rodriguez was a disaster. Hoke was the coach when they lost to RU. Moore won, but not enough by their standards. Their $4M QB wasn't as good as Kaliakmanis or Mendoza, neither of whom cost $4M. Writing big checks works when you hire coaches that produce real results.

 

[Kbe4]

We could never fill a 100,000 seat at home for Rutgers game.However there is no reason that we can’t consistently sell out a 54,000 seat stadium if we had a competent HC that would lead a competitive team.

I'll repeat the last line in my post above...because it's the most important one.
People in New Jersey are not that into Rutgers football.
Just ask them.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

They win when they hire good coaches. The alumni wrote the same big checks for Rich Rodriguez, Brady Hoke, and Professor of @SS Sherrone Moore. Rodriguez was a disaster. Hoke was the coach when they lost to RU. Moore won, but not enough by their standards. Their $4M QB wasn't as good as Kaliakmanis or Mendoza, neither of whom cost $4M. Writing big checks works when you hire coaches that produce real results.

 

[Caliknight]

I'll repeat the last line in my post above...because it's the most important one.
People in New Jersey are not that into Rutgers football.
Just ask them.

That's because the team doesn't win. If they did win, people would be in to it. If Rutgers somehow started competing with Ohio St. in football, they'd have to do an addition to that stadium.

 

[Caliknight]

Easily explained by our lack of capital and NIL spending, which hurts recruiting. Northwestern just dropped $1 Billion on facilities for example.

But no one wants to talk about that, because that is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Why couldn't he win the BE when he had more money than every other program he competed against?

 

[Caliknight]

He’s Rutgers’s version of Rockne, and the best we can get

That's loser talk. You're a horrible fan.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Easily explained by our lack of capital and NIL spending, which hurts recruiting. Northwestern just dropped $1 Billion on facilities for example.

But no one wants to talk about that, because that is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

So they should be national champs this year? B1G champs? Upper half of the conference? I'd like to know what one billion will get them

 

[Caliknight]

So they should be national champs this year? B1G champs? Upper half of the conference? I'd like to know what one billion will get them

It will get them exactly what it's all gotten them already. Unless they hire Cignetti.

 

[tico brown]

A better question is why would anyone throw money at a career loser? Why would you invest in a program lead by a guy who is 99-108 and has never won anything of signifgance? You say all he needs is money but even when his time at the NFL is proof he still cant win even when money is equal. You will never convince enough donors or corporations to buy in to the program tied Schiano. Too much evidence out there that he simply can't get it done. Look at this board even half the diehards now admit he not going to get it done. Do you think Indiana donors would have jumped on board if they held on to Tom Allen? IF they used the Rutgers AL method of unlimited excuses Indiana would be still hovering around .500 saying we cant compete with the big money.

Schianoites don’t want to answer that.

 

[tico brown]

His defense was getting rung up with all of that OSU talent. It’s no surprise OSU didn’t give him and a look and instead chose Day. OSU knew. Urban Meyer knew. He and Schiano are boys, but he wasn’t leaving what he built to him.

Schianoites don’t want to hear about that as well.