The Pope is one of us theory.

Grevey1975

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People forget about Joe Hall, played for Rupp and was an assistant for several years and alot of people didn't like the hire and on top of that he was replacing a legend but I think overall, he had a successful career with a Natty and several final fours. A no nonsense guy who recruited well and was well respected from fans, players and media alike..But this is a rarity with previous players
 

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People forget about Joe Hall, played for Rupp and was an assistant for several years and alot of people didn't like the hire and on top of that he was replacing a legend but I think overall, he had a successful career with a Natty and several final fours. A no nonsense guy who recruited well and was well respected from fans, players and media alike..But this is a rarity with previous players
Yeah but Joe B was actually good.
 
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RunninRichie

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You think those are the same as calling a guy a "dope" and "poop".
Sorry, I'm not taking up for a guy that **** on the bbn, made fun of us and put UK behind players like Shaedon Sharpe and also behind the NBA draft.
When you consistently lose to less talented teams and mid majors, when you have NBA talent on your roster, you pretty much earn the "CCC" nickname.
"Cow" is a nickname Louisville fans gave him, so I don't know why you're placing that at my feet to defend.
When Calipari was sucking it up, from 2020-2024, people on this board called him Cow, Johnny Clam chowder, fatass, and CCC. Among others. Did you call those guys out? Or is it ok, because Calipari didn't play here?
 
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kyjeff1

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When Calipari was sucking it up, from 2020-2024, people on this board called him Cow, Johnny Clam chowder, fatass, and CCC. Among others. Did you call those guys out? Or is it ok, because Calipari didn't play here?
I already answered this question.

I didn’t call him those names, but I damn sure won't defend a guy that made fun of me, called me a "Basketball Bennie" and prioritized several things before he even thought about UK. That's a big difference.

Pope is doing a bad job, but it's not because his priorities are backwards and last I checked, Pope has been nothing but respectful to the BBN, Cal wasn't, so Cal got what he deserved. I don't feel like Pope deserves to be called a dope.

That's my opinion, you dont have to agree with it.
 
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Well Pope is white and he's into the religion stuff with Mitch so there's that. Pope isn't one of us. He just happened to be on that 96 team. He's actually starting to seem to be completely opposite of us. Comparing his best two years as a coach to cals last four years. Dudes a joke. Therefore UK is a joke until he leaves.
His religion is dramatically different than Mitch's so I don't see a very strong connection there. His best two years as a coach record wise are not the two he has coached here. He went 24-8, 20-7 in ''20 and '21 at BYU.
 

DudahUK

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Nobody is saying you shouldn't critisize Pope, I wish you guys would stop twisting this stuff.

What we are saying is, stop hurling insults, like "Mark Dope", "I hate Pope", or "Mark Poop". Can we at least show some class? Why would we hate, or crush the guy, when it's Mitch that should be feeling the heat.

Y'all hate him because he didn't quit. That's ridiculous. He's not going to trash his reputation and be known as a quitter, because "Timmy" on Rupp Rafters isn’t happy.

Also, 99% of us that aren't flipping out, aren’t Pope fans, we're just letting it play out and we're also calling you guys out on your ridiculous behavior and comments.

Heck, you guys are trashing Pope worse than you did Cal when he went 9-16 and lost at home to VMI and Richmond.
Cal at least won us a title and multiple final fours. He built some good will. Pope has done none of that and not even came close. Plus with Cal, we had hope for the next year because of recruiting. Complete opposite with Pope. Didn’t think it needed to be explained but here we are.
 

DudahUK

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You think those are the same as calling a guy a "dope" and "poop".
Sorry, I'm not taking up for a guy that **** on the bbn, made fun of us and put UK behind players like Shaedon Sharpe and also behind the NBA draft.
When you consistently lose to less talented teams and mid majors, when you have NBA talent on your roster, you pretty much earn the "CCC" nickname.
"Cow" is a nickname Louisville fans gave him, so I don't know why you're placing that at my feet to defend.
Bro. You can’t police the internet so why try? It’s a fools errand.
 

kyjeff1

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Cal at least won us a title and multiple final fours. He built some good will. Pope has done none of that and not even came close. Plus with Cal, we had hope for the next year because of recruiting. Complete opposite with Pope. Didn’t think it needed to be explained but here we are.
The Cal we had from 09-17 was a boss. I'd go to bat for that guy anytime, anywhere.

The Cal we had from the 17/18 season through the Oakland loss, was a completely different guy. He wasn't putting in the work, he thought he was bigger than the university that made him who he was, he mocked us and he moved UKBB way down his priority list.

Yeah, early Cal built up some street cred, but that doesn't give him enough cred to do the things he did the second half of his tenure.

But you're correct, Pope has no street cred in the bank, he needs to kill it in year 3, because the ice he is skating on, is paper thin. I just want him to get a chance to fix it and I wish the BBN was more respectful to a guy who has the same priorities we have, he’s just struggling. That's it.
 
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The Cal we had from 09-17 was a boss. I'd go to bat for that guy anytime, anywhere.

The Cal we had from the 17/18 season through the Oakland loss, was a completely different guy. He wasn't putting in the work, he thought he was bigger than the university that made him who he was, he mocked us and he moved UKBB way down his priority list.

Yeah, early Cal built up some street cred, but that doesn't give him enough cred to do the things he did the second half of his tenure.

But you're correct, Pope has no street cred in the bank, he needs to kill it in year 3, because the ice he is skating on, is paper thin. I just want him to get a chance to fix it and I wish the BBN was more respectful to a guy who has the same priorities we have, he’s just struggling. That's it.
I would have to say 55-13 for the '19 and '20 seasons was plenty impressive.
 
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I don't know about that. 81.1 and 80.6 winning percentage those two seasons. Finished AP #7 and #8 with an Elite Eight and a cancelled tournament. From my view the next season ('21) marked the downhill turn.
 
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kyjeff1

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I don't know about that. 81.1 and 80.6 winning percentage those two seasons. Finished AP #7 and #8 with an Elite Eight and a cancelled tournament. From my view the next season ('21) marked the downhill turn.
Yeah, the results were there, those were two really good teams, but Cal was a different guy. He wasn't that boss anymore.
 

ZaytovenCat

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Nobody is saying you shouldn't critisize Pope, I wish you guys would stop twisting this stuff.

What we are saying is, stop hurling insults, like "Mark Dope", "I hate Pope", or "Mark Poop". Can we at least show some class? Why would we hate, or crush the guy, when it's Mitch that should be feeling the heat.

Y'all hate him because he didn't quit. That's ridiculous. He's not going to trash his reputation and be known as a quitter, because "Timmy" on Rupp Rafters isn’t happy.

Also, 99% of us that aren't flipping out, aren’t Pope fans, we're just letting it play out and we're also calling you guys out on your ridiculous behavior and comments.

Heck, you guys are trashing Pope worse than you did Cal when he went 9-16 and lost at home to VMI and Richmond.
“Just letting it play out” is how we end up with year 4 and 5 of Pope. The UK admin has made it clear by their past actions that the only thing they understand is money and when the fanbase becomes insufferably pissed and angry. Pressure has to be put on them or they’ll just keep rolling this trash out there. We have to make as much noise as possible.
 

ZaytovenCat

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So Pope said he understood the assignment and because he had 1 bad season, where he lost the team, in your mind, you're viewing it as a lie?

You understand the assignment, right? Does that mean you’re guaranteeing you would coach the program to a FF? Just because he understands the assignment, doesn't mean all his players magically stay healthy and hit every shot they fire up.

It wasn't a lie, but this crap isn’t easy either.

And me calling you "Timmy", isn't close to all the, so called, UK fans calling Mark Pope names like Mark Dope and Mark Poop. Not even close.

It looks to me like this is a much tougher job than Pooe realized, but he’s not failing from a lack of effort and there's no guarantee he will fail. He did well enough to get a 3 seed his first year, so lets not act like it's been an all systems failure.
Dude it goes wayyyyyy beyond “one bad season.” It’s one really bad season, never having the credentials to have this job to begin with, losing 10+ games every year of his career except 2 (one was a shortened season) and the biggest factor IMO is he is by far the worst recruiter we’ve ever had here. You can’t win here recruiting like he does, period. Recruits just don’t seem to like him at all for whatever reason.

It’s almost impressive at how awful he’s recruited the high school level. All but 2 of his high school recruits have been in state kids and the other two Pope had to hire his dad and already had the other’s brother on the team. He can’t even give away our money to top players. They run from Pope like the plague. My guess is all the happy go lucky/ra ra/overly positive talk comes off as fake to most of these recruits.
 
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kyjeff1

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Just letting it play out” is how we end up with year 4 and 5 of Pope. The UK admin has made it clear by their past actions that the only thing they understand is money and when the fanbase becomes insufferably pissed and angry. Pressure has to be put on them or they’ll just keep rolling this trash out there. We have to make as much noise as possible.
I don't know if you realize this or not, but we don't have the power to fire him.

Me, I'm being patient, I'm not going to join your parade until I see how year three is going. If the same things show up in year 3 that we saw this year, I'm out.

My hope is that MP learned his lesson on some things, if he continues with the same garbage we saw in 25/26, I'm out.
 

kyjeff1

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Dude it goes wayyyyyy beyond “one bad season.” It’s one really bad season, never having the credentials to have this job to begin with, losing 10+ games every year of his career except 2 (one was a shortened season) and the biggest factor IMO is he is by far the worst recruiter we’ve ever had here. You can’t win here recruiting like he does, period. Recruits just don’t seem to like him at all for whatever reason.

It’s almost impressive at how awful he’s recruited the high school level. All but 2 of his high school recruits have been in state kids and the other two Pope had to hire his dad and already had the other’s brother on the team. He can’t even give away our money to top players. They run from Pope like the plague. My guess is all the happy go lucky/ra ra/overly positive talk comes off as fake to most of these recruits.
It’s one bad season. His first season gets at least a B, saying the 24/25 season was a failure, is BS.

We need to get past the whole "he shouldn’t have been hired" stuff, we all get that, but what's done, is done.

He did a horrible job building the roster last year and he did a horrible job preparing his team to play games. It was a full system failure, but he showed in year 1 that he can be good if he fixes some things. You can't beat duke, then get drubbed by Ohio State.
 
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Beatle Bum

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To me, being "one of us" is enough to ensure we don't mistreat our coach. That said, being "one of us" won't keep him from being removed if he doesn't perform as expected.
Agreed. Joker and Mark Pope are one of us. If you were a fan in ‘96, you know Mark was not a “coattail” player but was a key reason we won that year. His addition was integral.

If I go to a UK bar in NYC and cheer along side a NYC UK fan, that person is one of us. He or she loves the Cats. The fact that Pope was at UK for only 2 years is irrelevant. There are people who are “one of us” who never went to UK and others who never graduated from UK. It’s not a prerequisite.

Joker was treated poorly by anonymous a$$es just like Pope. He was also treated kindly by people on this site who knew he needed to be fired but still knew he was us. He got three years. He deserved three years. It was obvious by looking at his roster and recruiting there was no way he could win in year four. Many of us loved him and wanted him to succeed, but most of us knew he needed to go.

People tried to get Stoops fired as he built his legacy here. They faded into the woodwork when Stoops continued to succeed. Then, when he started to struggle, they popped back out and began their infantile attacks. As a football fan; Stoops gave me some of the best moments of my fan life. He deserved our respect even if his time had run its course. It was clear at the end of last season that he needed to go, but also deserved to be respected. Without Stoops, you don’t land Stein. Stein is sitting pretty now and that is well deserved. It’s been a great transition, but if his team struggles on the field, he will get the same childish behavior.

The lack of respect for Pope shown repeatedly here is pathetic. To be sure, he is more of a man than any of the weasels constantly barraging us with ugly jokes and comments about Pope. They can hardly stand pushback for their posts, let alone handle the job Pope has. It’s both funny and sad.
 

Beatle Bum

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Well Pope is white and he's into the religion stuff with Mitch so there's that. Pope isn't one of us. He just happened to be on that 96 team. He's actually starting to seem to be completely opposite of us. Comparing his best two years as a coach to cals last four years. Dudes a joke. Therefore UK is a joke until he leaves.
UK may be a joke until you leave. 😆
 
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Catphright23

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Pope cares about Kentucky. He is stubborn which is hurting him about getting a GM and being too nice playing players who deserve no time. That might be his downfall. He was a big part of our championship team, almost as important as McCarty. Pope has made it to the tournament and sweet 16, and round of 32, when years prior included round of 64, round of 32, round of 64, and not in tournament at all. The strength of our schedule with Pope has increased. Some of the players he got last year weren't compatible and injuries were bad and had some bad losses. He will have this year to coach this team up maybe despite not being able to get some big names.
 
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I mean...........its nice having a coach that's "one of us"

But I really just want a guy that can recruit talent, coach up that talent and win college basketball games.

If he happens to be "one of us" that's a bonus lol
 
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Beatle Bum

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Year One with Cal was a blast. The ending was disappointing but so
Much better than Gillespie. THEN, the players all left and year two was a struggle. People here were riding him. No Kentucky recruits. OAD sucks! Losing big to UConn and then losing to UNC when UNC was in the total wins hunt, I believe. I think we lost to UGA right out of the SEC gate and starting 2-2. The house was burning for the perpetually emotional fans. I think we were 5-5 at one point in the old SEC. Not impressive. Would we make the tournament? Was last year a fluke? Ended the season on a 6 games streak and had a nice run in the NCAA, losing again to UConn (oh some fans could not handle that). Third year, the one Natty. That was a historically fun year and a great team. Love Cal for that team. Then, the crappy fourth year. 😱

Even the runner up year was not fun until the end of the season. You got used to that. Suck early. Hope you can get it together late. Really started to hurt our seeding.

The point? The ugliest on this board were here through all but about 4-5 years of Cal’s tenure. They suck. But they are not going anywhere.
 
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I'd say that calling Calipari "Can't Coach Cal" is a self-own honestly. Is Calipari the cream of the crop X's and O's tactician? No, but he's a whole lot closer to the top of that list than he is the bottom.

I agree.
I think there's this perception with Cal. People normally judge coaches by what they do with the talent they have at their disposal. Many argue that given the talent Cal had, he should have done more (I don't necessarily agree with that).

So I think with Cal being as good of a recruiter he is, there's always this misnomer he can't coach.

But yeah he's definitely closer to the top of the list than bottom. 100%.
 

Phil_The_Music2

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Cal at least won us a title and multiple final fours. He built some good will. Pope has done none of that and not even came close. Plus with Cal, we had hope for the next year because of recruiting. Complete opposite with Pope. Didn’t think it needed to be explained but here we are.
Lol. You're comparing a 10 plus year tenure to 2. I'm not saying we should keep Pope but saying Cal got a pass because he did more in 10 years than what Pope has done in 2 is stupid.
 

DudahUK

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Lol. You're comparing a 10 plus year tenure to 2. I'm not saying we should keep Pope but saying Cal got a pass because he did more in 10 years than what Pope has done in 2 is stupid.
Ok sure. Compare their first 2 years than. We also won it all Cals 3rd year. We gonna win it this year with pope?
 

Phil_The_Music2

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Ok sure. Compare their first 2 years than. We also won it all Cals 3rd year. We gonna win it this year with pope?
How about you compare Cal's last two to Popes first two...that's a more accurate time frame/environment. Things are a lot different in 2024 verses 2010.
 
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