Starkville Travel ball coach/umpire embarrassment

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Y’all know these fools?

I’m an idiot and don’t know how to embed a tweet so someone link it below. Robbie Faulk twitter has it.

Unbelievable. Punches thrown. Kids even punching umpire.
 
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615dawg

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One of the comments stated that the coach that attacked the umpire was an Oktibbeha County Sheriff's Deputy. No idea if it is true.

I'm saying this as someone who has spent four years of college tuition on travel sports. It's not worth it. And the money that is spent stresses a lot of families out and causes them to act like this. When you read surveys that half or more of Americans cannot come up with $1000 for an emergency and then you go to these travel sports tournaments, you can see the stress in people's eyes.

I've seen grown men and women attack kids at travel volleyball tournaments. The Jackson metro has gone from one travel club to seven in a decade because parents get so mad and go and start another club. Then they get mad at that club and move to another. There's a club coach in the Jackson area that is trying to be a social media influencer. His style is to attack young girls to get clicks. Half the people think he's ridiculous but he will go to tournaments on the other side of the country and have people lined up to take photos with him. He mics himself up during matches. A few weeks ago, he posted himself telling an official they had a small penis in front of 13 year old girls and thought he was the good guy.
 
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Maroon13

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I would enjoy Umpiring baseball. But this is why I don't.

I refereed soccer for a couple of seasons. It was constant chatter and smartass comments from the sidelines. I found about U12-14 was the worst parents. Anyways, I imagine the soccer parents are mild mannered compared to male baseball parents and coaches.
 

patdog

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I would enjoy Umpiring baseball. But this is why I don't.

I refereed soccer for a couple of seasons. It was constant chatter and smartass comments from the sidelines. I found about U12-14 was the worst parents. Anyways, I imagine the soccer parents are mild mannered compared to male baseball parents and coaches.
Exactly. A couple of years ago I thought about taking the course to get certified to referee soccer. Then I thought about what I would really be getting into. I did not sign up for the course.

And another example of just how closely Facebook (and everyone else) is monitoring everything you do, this just came up on my Facebook feed:
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aspendawg

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We had a very successful businessman who, according to everyone is a “great guy”, get suspended for 3 games at an 8U softball game last weekend. Won’t go into the details but I’ve seen the video that circulated and his behavior was very cuntish and I really tried to give the benefit of the doubt because lord knows I’m not perfect. I see a lot of grown men and women projecting their inadequacies and unrealized dreams onto their young kids and treating umpires like they’re garbage..these girls are 8.. and travel ball is a scam IMO.
 

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One of the comments stated that the coach that attacked the umpire was an Oktibbeha County Sheriff's Deputy. No idea if it is true.

I'm saying this as someone who has spent four years of college tuition on travel sports. It's not worth it. And the money that is spent stresses a lot of families out and causes them to act like this. When you read surveys that half or more of Americans cannot come up with $1000 for an emergency and then you go to these travel sports tournaments, you can see the stress in people's eyes.

I've seen grown men and women attack kids at travel volleyball tournaments. The Jackson metro has gone from one travel club to seven in a decade because parents get so mad and go and start another club. Then they get mad at that club and move to another. There's a club coach in the Jackson area that is trying to be a social media influencer. His style is to attack young girls to get clicks. Half the people think he's ridiculous but he will go to tournaments on the other side of the country and have people lined up to take photos with him. He mics himself up during matches. A few weeks ago, he posted himself telling an official they had a small penis in front of 13 year old girls and thought he was the good guy.
Travel sports are inexplicable to me. The vast majority of parents with kids in travel seem to be worse human beings for it, from very small to very large ways, and I just don't get it. I get being a horrible human being in the pursuit of sex, money, power, or drugs. Not saying I agree with or encourage it or that it's a good tradeoff, but I definitely get it. But for travel sports? What in the ever living 17?!?! It's just amazing to me to hear people vocalize travel sports as an excuse for being an *** hole. "Yes, I trashed that relationship for my kid and my family that could have lasted for years if not decades, but this ain't rec ball anymore." "No, we don't really go to church any more; even if we happen to have a free weekend, we just need to relax and catchup on rest." "No, I can't donate time or money to anything even though I'm blessed." "No, my kid doesn't have any unstructured free time even though they're 10, and no, they don't really keep up with their homework or do particularly well in school". I just don't get it.
 

CochiseCowbell

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Thank you Lord, for giving my boy an extra chromosome.

After the fear and realization that this innocent child depends upon me for everything, youth sports (and travel baseball specifically) was my biggest trepidation of fatherhood. I'm thankful I don't even have to consider it. He'll definitely play, but it'll be for the love of the game.
 
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MagnoliaHunter

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I umped rec leagues baseball games when I was playing High School baseball back in the early 80s. I had a woman come after me on the field with the field rake even though her son was yelling at her that I made the right call. I had warned him earlier about pulling his foot off 1st a split second before he caught the ball. The second time I called the runner safe and this is when the fun started.
 

Darryl Steight

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Travel sports are inexplicable to me. The vast majority of parents with kids in travel seem to be worse human beings for it, from very small to very large ways, and I just don't get it. I get being a horrible human being in the pursuit of sex, money, power, or drugs. Not saying I agree with or encourage it or that it's a good tradeoff, but I definitely get it. But for travel sports? What in the ever living 17?!?! It's just amazing to me to hear people vocalize travel sports as an excuse for being an *** hole. "Yes, I trashed that relationship for my kid and my family that could have lasted for years if not decades, but this ain't rec ball anymore." "No, we don't really go to church any more; even if we happen to have a free weekend, we just need to relax and catchup on rest." "No, I can't donate time or money to anything even though I'm blessed." "No, my kid doesn't have any unstructured free time even though they're 10, and no, they don't really keep up with their homework or do particularly well in school". I just don't get it.
I'm not defending travel ball, and it's definitely not for everyone. But in truth, there are some benefits - IF, like everything in life, it's handled properly. For example, I have a 14 year old daughter who can no longer play rec. Not that she's Mia Hamm by any stretch, but there is no competition around rec soccer that makes her better. In fact, she might get worse, as she tends to play up - or down - to her competition. She's playing school soccer, but they don't play enough to really get better during the season. The high school ends up mostly taking all the best club players in their school to make up the team. And if your kid wants to play in college, for example, then you basically have to put them on a travel team. Even if you just concentrated on private lessons (which are way more expensive per hour), there is a ceiling to how much better they can get without actually playing games.

My kids have created lots of lifetime friendships through these teams, and I've become friends with other parents, as we travel together probably 8-10 weekends per year. There are some great people in it, even though the socials would have you believe there are fistfights at every match. Those are embarrassing anomalies. We obviously all want to win, but you have to find a balance between bringing up a competitive kid that will give max effort to win, but who also learns how to lose with grace. It's not easy, but they are forced to learn some life lessons.

My family goes to church every Sunday we're here, and we watch the livestream when we're out of town. That's how we handle that.

Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
 

GloryDawg

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I coached my son's city league football team. The city uses Public School football refs. Gave them a chance to make a little extra money. One night they dd not show up. There were three games slated for that night. All the coaches agreed to play the games but not let them count as official games. The coaches for the teams not playing ref the games. We all agreed not to throw flags if the penalty did not have any bearings on the play. One of the teams was from Florence and one from Brandon. I Ref that game. Those parents got so upset when I did not throw a flag for holding when the hold was 30 yards away from the play. Neither kid would have been involved in the play. They forgot the game did not count. I think they got more piss when I shook my head and smiled.
 

patdog

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I'm not defending travel ball, and it's definitely not for everyone. But in truth, there are some benefits - IF, like everything in life, it's handled properly. For example, I have a 14 year old daughter who can no longer play rec. Not that she's Mia Hamm by any stretch, but there is no competition around rec soccer that makes her better. In fact, she might get worse, as she tends to play up - or down - to her competition. She's playing school soccer, but they don't play enough to really get better during the season. The high school ends up mostly taking all the best club players in their school to make up the team. And if your kid wants to play in college, for example, then you basically have to put them on a travel team. Even if you just concentrated on private lessons (which are way more expensive per hour), there is a ceiling to how much better they can get without actually playing games.

My kids have created lots of lifetime friendships through these teams, and I've become friends with other parents, as we travel together probably 8-10 weekends per year. There are some great people in it, even though the socials would have you believe there are fistfights at every match. Those are embarrassing anomalies. We obviously all want to win, but you have to find a balance between bringing up a competitive kid that will give max effort to win, but who also learns how to lose with grace. It's not easy, but they are forced to learn some life lessons.

My family goes to church every Sunday we're here, and we watch the livestream when we're out of town. That's how we handle that.

Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
That sounds great for your daughter. On the other hand, I have a now former co-worker who coaches I think 8U girls travel team. They are playing 2-3 tournaments a month for about 10 months out of the year. It's insane.
 

JY1947

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One of the comments stated that the coach that attacked the umpire was an Oktibbeha County Sheriff's Deputy. No idea if it is true.

I'm saying this as someone who has spent four years of college tuition on travel sports. It's not worth it. And the money that is spent stresses a lot of families out and causes them to act like this. When you read surveys that half or more of Americans cannot come up with $1000 for an emergency and then you go to these travel sports tournaments, you can see the stress in people's eyes.

I've seen grown men and women attack kids at travel volleyball tournaments. The Jackson metro has gone from one travel club to seven in a decade because parents get so mad and go and start another club. Then they get mad at that club and move to another. There's a club coach in the Jackson area that is trying to be a social media influencer. His style is to attack young girls to get clicks. Half the people think he's ridiculous but he will go to tournaments on the other side of the country and have people lined up to take photos with him. He mics himself up during matches. A few weeks ago, he posted himself telling an official they had a small penis in front of 13 year old girls and thought he was the good guy.
For how much money travel ball costs, the amount of white trash, redneck mess that goes on at these tournaments always surprises me.
 

Darryl Steight

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That sounds great for your daughter. On the other hand, I have a now former co-worker who coaches I think 8U girls travel team. They are playing 2-3 tournaments a month for about 10 months out of the year. It's insane.
Yep, that's too much for us. Maybe if she is Mia Hamm, and you only have one kid... but I also have others playing. You have to find the right team for them and your family for sure.
 
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I'm not defending travel ball, and it's definitely not for everyone. But in truth, there are some benefits - IF, like everything in life, it's handled properly. For example, I have a 14 year old daughter who can no longer play rec. Not that she's Mia Hamm by any stretch, but there is no competition around rec soccer that makes her better. In fact, she might get worse, as she tends to play up - or down - to her competition. She's playing school soccer, but they don't play enough to really get better during the season. The high school ends up mostly taking all the best club players in their school to make up the team. And if your kid wants to play in college, for example, then you basically have to put them on a travel team. Even if you just concentrated on private lessons (which are way more expensive per hour), there is a ceiling to how much better they can get without actually playing games.

My kids have created lots of lifetime friendships through these teams, and I've become friends with other parents, as we travel together probably 8-10 weekends per year. There are some great people in it, even though the socials would have you believe there are fistfights at every match. Those are embarrassing anomalies. We obviously all want to win, but you have to find a balance between bringing up a competitive kid that will give max effort to win, but who also learns how to lose with grace. It's not easy, but they are forced to learn some life lessons.

My family goes to church every Sunday we're here, and we watch the livestream when we're out of town. That's how we handle that.

Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
It sounds like y'all are doing it for the right reasons. The issue becomes when Daddy gets his feelings hurt cause lil Jaxston didn't make the 6U all-star double gold team and forms a team himself.
 

TheBannerM

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Thank you Lord, for giving my boy an extra chromosome.

After the fear and realization that this innocent child depends upon me for everything, youth sports was my biggest trepidation of fatherhood. I'm thankful I don't even have to consider it. He'll definitely play, but it'll be for the love of the game.
I don't know your situation is with your boy, but is there a Miracle League in your area? It's a great organization for kids/adult with disabilities.
 

johnson86-1

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I'm not defending travel ball, and it's definitely not for everyone. But in truth, there are some benefits - IF, like everything in life, it's handled properly. For example, I have a 14 year old daughter who can no longer play rec. Not that she's Mia Hamm by any stretch, but there is no competition around rec soccer that makes her better. In fact, she might get worse, as she tends to play up - or down - to her competition. She's playing school soccer, but they don't play enough to really get better during the season. The high school ends up mostly taking all the best club players in their school to make up the team. And if your kid wants to play in college, for example, then you basically have to put them on a travel team. Even if you just concentrated on private lessons (which are way more expensive per hour), there is a ceiling to how much better they can get without actually playing games.

My kids have created lots of lifetime friendships through these teams, and I've become friends with other parents, as we travel together probably 8-10 weekends per year. There are some great people in it, even though the socials would have you believe there are fistfights at every match. Those are embarrassing anomalies. We obviously all want to win, but you have to find a balance between bringing up a competitive kid that will give max effort to win, but who also learns how to lose with grace. It's not easy, but they are forced to learn some life lessons.

My family goes to church every Sunday we're here, and we watch the livestream when we're out of town. That's how we handle that.

Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
The travel ball for post-pubescent kids doesn't really seem dumb to me, as long as it's waiting until they are actually selecting kids for skill and ability and not just who hit puberty first (which I think is probably in the 14 age range for boys; probably a little earlier for girls?).

If you've got a 14 year old boy or girl, I'm not sure how much productive things they'd spend their time on if they weren't practicing sports. But a 9 year old that spends an order or magnitude more time in organized practice than playing chase or hide and seek or pickup baseball/basketball/football, swimming, etc combined, that seems crazy to me.
 

mcdawg22

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I'm not defending travel ball, and it's definitely not for everyone. But in truth, there are some benefits - IF, like everything in life, it's handled properly. For example, I have a 14 year old daughter who can no longer play rec. Not that she's Mia Hamm by any stretch, but there is no competition around rec soccer that makes her better. In fact, she might get worse, as she tends to play up - or down - to her competition. She's playing school soccer, but they don't play enough to really get better during the season. The high school ends up mostly taking all the best club players in their school to make up the team. And if your kid wants to play in college, for example, then you basically have to put them on a travel team. Even if you just concentrated on private lessons (which are way more expensive per hour), there is a ceiling to how much better they can get without actually playing games.

My kids have created lots of lifetime friendships through these teams, and I've become friends with other parents, as we travel together probably 8-10 weekends per year. There are some great people in it, even though the socials would have you believe there are fistfights at every match. Those are embarrassing anomalies. We obviously all want to win, but you have to find a balance between bringing up a competitive kid that will give max effort to win, but who also learns how to lose with grace. It's not easy, but they are forced to learn some life lessons.

My family goes to church every Sunday we're here, and we watch the livestream when we're out of town. That's how we handle that.

Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
That’s the way we were. She gave it up this year because she didn’t have the passion and we stood by her decision. But the four years we spent were great. We made lifelong friends that we still hang out with even though she is not playing anymore. We had so much fun on most of those weekends and our group was very chill. I had a shirt that said “I just hope both teams have fun.” and I could feel the rage of some other team’s parents.
 

mcdawg22

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I coached my son's city league football team. The city uses Public School football refs. Gave them a chance to make a little extra money. One night they dd not show up. There were three games slated for that night. All the coaches agreed to play the games but not let them count as official games. The coaches for the teams not playing ref the games. We all agreed not to throw flags if the penalty did not have any bearings on the play. One of the teams was from Florence and one from Brandon. I Ref that game. Those parents got so upset when I did not throw a flag for holding when the hold was 30 yards away from the play. Neither kid would have been involved in the play. They forgot the game did not count. I think they got more piss when I shook my head and smiled.
I mean, who is gonna get in your face. From what i understand you are pretty swole.
 
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patdog

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I don't know your situation is with your boy, but is there a Miracle League in your area? It's a great organization for kids/adult with disabilities.
At the Ridgeland baseball/softball fields on McClellon Dr., they have a turf softball field that I fairly regularly see people playing wheelchair softball at. That's impressive to me. And cool that they have that available for them.
 

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I umpired some in high school, primarily t-ball/coach pitch where they didn’t keep score but also some little league. Last coach pitch /no score kept game of the year kid who hadn’t made contact all year makes contact, and even though he was out by a step I called him safe. Other teams coach starts cussing me. And this is a guy I’d known my whole life. I don’t envy them at all with the crap they put up with.
 

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I love parents that think spending a bunch of money and taking little Johnny or Jessica to every tournament is going to make a difference one day. It is almost as good as a hell loop to see these folks taking out all of their unrealized dreams on their kids. I have several buddies that do this, and they are constantly moving between Dallas and Atlanta to get to the next tournament. I live a stone's throw from Shiloh Park in Brandon, and I just tell my wife when I see the RV's on Thursday night here they come baby. If there is a huge tournament in Brandon, we would not even attempt to go downtown with all the people from dad knows where stinking up the place. I have already told Mrs. Devil our daughter is clumsy, sweet, and never going to be a professional athlete. So, when the travel whatever coach starts coming around because she is tall tell them the same thing. I tell the Mormon guys that we are not buying. Any money we could spend on that crap would be better directed towards academics, given that is where she will shine like most of the other women in my family.
 
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TheBannerM

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Again, not saying it's for every kid, or every family. But there are some positive things about it under the right circumstances.
In some areas, there's a lot of pressure on parents of kids who play baseball/basketball/volleyball to have them on a travel team just for them to be able to play HS ball. Unless your kid is an insane athlete, the deck is stacked against them if they're not playing club sports.

My kids are in a relatively affluent area with big schools, so school sponsored sports are VERY COMPETITIVE. There was no way they'd even make a school team if they hadn't played club sports. My daughter didn't make her HS VB team, but wanted to still do club. That was fine until the club director decided to take her 16U team on a tour of America's largest cities. We said c'ya after that.