Can't stand the guy but....

[HRMSU]

He's giving us a somewhat backhanded compliment

Georgia's Kirby Smart says Big Ten is 'more competitive conference' than SEC after CFP title streak

Georgia's Kirby Smart says the Big Ten is a more competitive conference with better teams at the top, helping explain its three-straight CFP titles.

www.foxnews.com

 

[dickiedawg]

I think the headline misrepresents his comments. He’s saying the B1G is more competitive *than it used to be*, not more competitive than the SEC.
He’s explicitly stating later that the SEC is more competitive because they beat each other up more.

He's giving us a somewhat backhanded compliment

Georgia's Kirby Smart says Big Ten is 'more competitive conference' than SEC after CFP title streak

Georgia's Kirby Smart says the Big Ten is a more competitive conference with better teams at the top, helping explain its three-straight CFP titles.

www.foxnews.com

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[HRMSU]

I think the headline misrepresents his comments. He’s saying the B1G is more competitive *than it used to be*, not more competitive than the SEC.
He’s explicitly stating later that the SEC is more competitive because they beat each other up more.

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I read it as the bottom of the SEC is more competitive than Big Ten and he uses going to Starkville for a noon game as an example that doesn't give him a lot of comfort. Like the respect on that comment but hate being grouped in the bottom but that's where we are.

I can't stand him for other reasons like shoving his players, shoving our QB and basically acting like a 2 year old on the sidelines when things get tough.....oh and he gets a free pass from the media. Not many coaches would ever get that much grace these days.

 

[patdog]

I read it as the bottom of the SEC is more competitive than Big Ten and he uses going to Starkville for a noon game as an example that doesn't give him a lot of comfort. Like the respect on that comment but hate being grouped in the bottom but that's where we are.

I can't stand him for other reasons like shoving his players, shoving our QB and basically acting like a 2 year old on the sidelines when things get tough.....oh and he gets a free pass from the media. Not many coaches would ever get that much grace these days.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. But I think he'll he ok in that noon game in Starkville.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Outside perception of our program is better than the perception of our program from the fans. Within the coaching circles there is an understanding that going from 2 wins to 5 wins and being competitive in most games last year shows progress. Within the coaching circle they have seen us come to the table especially with Portal recruiting with more money. Our fans just refuse to understand the **** show this program was from Dec 22-Nov 24.

 

[85Bears]

Big is better than the SEC right now, I don’t see how you can deny that

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I think the headline misrepresents his comments. He’s saying the B1G is more competitive *than it used to be*, not more competitive than the SEC.
He’s explicitly stating later that the SEC is more competitive because they beat each other up more.

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I have never understood that argument. "Beat each other up more"? Both conferences will have exactly a 0.500 record in conference. In conference games, both conferences will have a winner and a loser in each game.

What is the bottom team in the Big 10 on a historical basis? Is it Indiana? I genuinely don't know, but if it is. didn't they just won the national championship?

Can someone help me understand, mathematically and completely objectively, what "beating each other up" looks like as opposed to an alternative?

 

[BTCMoonBoy]

I read it as SEC had NIL when no one else did. Now that the playing field is level the rich will always win and saban is a mediocre coach with equal talent

 

[HRMSU]

Big is better than the SEC right now, I don’t see how you can deny that

Top teams I agree....entire conference....nope

 

[85Bears]

Top teams I agree....entire conference....nope

Go back and rewatch Iowa wax Vandy

 

[Bulldawg77]

 

[HRMSU]

I read it as SEC had NIL when no one else did. Now that the playing field is level the rich will always win and saban is a mediocre coach with equal talent

Calling Saban a mediocre coach is definitely a hot sports opinion but I can squint and see what you may be saying. He didn't succeed in the pros with Dolphins because he couldn't coach his way....which is coaching the players hard because they were pros. Well, guess who are pros now....college players. I still believe that's why he retired. I also believe he could easily win 7-8 games with the exact team we have right now but his style wouldn't last too long with the open portal.....fix the portal or require some king of multi year commitment and your on your way to fixing this mess. Until then $ is all that matters and is the answer....what's the question?

 

[HRMSU]

Go back and rewatch Iowa wax Vandy

Please tell me you aren't putting stock into bowl games in this era. Also, Iowa has long had a respectable program. Do better.

 

[85Bears]

Please tell me you aren't putting stock into bowl games in this era. Also, Iowa has long had a respectable program. Do better.

Sure am, it’s head to head and Vandy was missing one player and got waxed. Iowa is a big ten team why wouldn’t that count ? Now with Willingham at Michigan Big is only going to be better.

 

[HRMSU]

Sure am, it’s head to head and Vandy was missing one player and got waxed. Iowa is a big ten team why wouldn’t that count ? Now with Willingham at Michigan Big is only going to be better.

Because Iowa traditionally has always been a better program than Vandy. This waxing you describe was a 7 point win for #23 ranked Iowa. Now, let's get back to bottom of conference vs bottom of conference because you have no argument from me regarding the top of the Big 10. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been saying this would happen since NIL and open portal but quality at the bottom is still better in the SEC.

 

[85Bears]

Because Iowa traditionally has always been a better program than Vandy. This waxing you describe was a 7 point win for #23 ranked Iowa. Now, let's get back to bottom of conference vs bottom of conference because you have no argument from me regarding the top of the Big 10. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been saying this would happen since NIL and open portal but quality at the bottom is still better in the SEC.

Watch the game, Iowa led start to finish, sacked Pavia four times in the first half and Iowas O line blew Vandy off the ball every snap. Stop with the sec homerism, it’s no longer relevant in this era.

bigten is just better now, it’s obvious

 

[HRMSU]

Watch the game, Iowa led start to finish, sacked Pavia four times in the first half and Iowas O line blew Vandy off the ball every snap. Stop with the sec homerism, it’s no longer relevant in this era.

bigten is just better now, it’s obvious

The last thing I'm going to do with my time is watch Iowa vs Vanderbilt.....geez. I'd rather pick up rocks in my driveway.

If saying the Big 10 is better than the SEC at the top and has a much better future with the current landscape of NIL and open portal makes me a SEC homer then you caught me red handed. If saying the bottom of the SEC is better than the bottom of the big 10 makes me a SEC homer then guilty as charged.

 

[85Bears]

The last thing I'm going to do with my time is watch Iowa vs Vanderbilt.....geez. I'd rather pick up rocks in my driveway.

If saying the Big 10 is better than the SEC at the top and has a much better future with the current landscape of NIL and open portal makes me a SEC homer then you caught me red handed. If saying the bottom of the SEC is better than the bottom of the big 10 makes me a SEC homer then guilty as charged.

I dont think the bottom of the sec is better, lebby is the bottom and i doubt he could beat a big team

 

[dickiedawg]

I have never understood that argument. "Beat each other up more"? Both conferences will have exactly a 0.500 record in conference. In conference games, both conferences will have a winner and a loser in each game.

What is the bottom team in the Big 10 on a historical basis? Is it Indiana? I genuinely don't know, but if it is. didn't they just won the national championship?

Can someone help me understand, mathematically and completely objectively, what "beating each other up" looks like as opposed to an alternative?

One meaning of it is literal. The SEC players are bigger and stronger on average than the Big 10 players- literally hitting each other harder.
The alternative is there’s one team in a different conference with that caliber of athletes, so they don’t have the same cumulative wear and tear on their bodies.
Another meaning is that elite teams play more very good teams in the SEC than they do in the Big 10, so more opportunities to lose.
The Big 10 improved a lot when it added Washington and Oregon. The bottom of the conference is still much worse than the bottom of the SEC.
Last year, the Big 10 had 7 teams ranked 49 or worse in the Massey ratings. The SEC had 1, Mississippi state at 53. A quarter of the Big 10 was worse than the SEC’s worst team.
BIG 10 had 9 teams in the top 35 (half the conference. The SEC had 13 (of 16).
There’s no question the Big 10 was better at the top of the conference last year. There’s also no question which was deeper, and there hasn’t been in a very long time.

Edit: FPI is very comparable, but it has 7 (!!) Big 10 teams ranked below State. Half the league is 45 or worse.

 

[mstateglfr]

I have never understood that argument. "Beat each other up more"? Both conferences will have exactly a 0.500 record in conference. In conference games, both conferences will have a winner and a loser in each game.

What is the bottom team in the Big 10 on a historical basis? Is it Indiana? I genuinely don't know, but if it is. didn't they just won the national championship?

Can someone help me understand, mathematically and completely objectively, what "beating each other up" looks like as opposed to an alternative?

*I am not doing the math to ensure the following scenarios work out perfectly. They are intended to be visual examples only.*

- A 12 team conference could have 2 teams with undefeated records of 11-0, 3 teams at like 6-5, then the remaining teams all bunched together with losing records.

- A 12 team conference could have 4 teams with 8-3 records that all lost to each other, a few teams around .500, then the remaining with losing records and one or two without a win.


The second scenario would be a example of teams beating each other up. None of the 4 top teams stood out and above others- they could all be genrrstiknally excellent and go undefeated in other conferences, but they each ended with 3 losses and tied with one another because they are all even(though all historically great).
They beat up on one another.

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

*I am not doing the math to ensure the following scenarios work out perfectly. They are intended to be visual examples only.*

- A 12 team conference could have 2 teams with undefeated records of 11-0, 3 teams at like 6-5, then the remaining teams all bunched together with losing records.

- A 12 team conference could have 4 teams with 8-3 records that all lost to each other, a few teams around .500, then the remaining with losing records and one or two without a win.


The second scenario would be a example of teams beating each other up. None of the 4 top teams stood out and above others- they could all be genrrstiknally excellent and go undefeated in other conferences, but they each ended with 3 losses and tied with one another because they are all even(though all historically great).
They beat up on one another.

I get what you are saying, but To me, an argument could be made that the second conference had no elite teams. I heard that when the SEC had won however many national championships in a row that we were the best because we "beat each other up" but then had the exact same scenario you mentioned in case 1. Remember in 2008 with Alabama and Florida? Yeah, that was pretty much exactly like your case #1. Actually, it seemed like most of the Saban era was "Alabama and the rest of them" which is your case #1, which is what you said was NOT "beating each other up".

 

[patdog]

Calling Saban a mediocre coach is definitely a hot sports opinion but I can squint and see what you may be saying. He didn't succeed in the pros with Dolphins because he couldn't coach his way....which is coaching the players hard because they were pros. Well, guess who are pros now....college players. I still believe that's why he retired. I also believe he could easily win 7-8 games with the exact team we have right now but his style wouldn't last too long with the open portal.....fix the portal or require some king of multi year commitment and your on your way to fixing this mess. Until then $ is all that matters and is the answer....what's the question?

Saban also didn’t get the QB he wanted. Some guy who went to the saints instead. Dolphins organization was a train wreck at that time.