No, but them and their relatives fit the demographics of a Spruill voter.
Why does Starkville hate Mississippi State?
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I have circled below in red the area where you are proposing to charge a cover. Blue numbers 1, 2, and 3 are where the three shootings took place.
Again, somebody please explain to me how the cover charge prevents the “ne’er do wells” from ne-er-do-welling. You can’t charge a cover for the entire damn Cotton District and everything immediately adjacent to it (the two shootings behind Coconuts were NOT in even in what most would refer to as the Cotton District proper). Even the very limited area you are proposing for a cover charge is also a residential area, which makes charging a cover just to enter the general premises a big problem legally.
It won’t work, and it probably isn’t feasible anyway.
Starkville has always had an adversarial relationship with the university, and it is demonstrably worse than other college towns. I'm sure I'm not the only person on the board that's been to most SEC towns, and there's no comparison. It is more confounding to me because it is literally the lifeblood of the town.
Part of it is that, at any given time, Oktibbeha County has +/- 200 "deputy sherriffs" aka criminal justice interns acting out their high school revenge fantasies on the public. I can remember the narc epidemic in the mid-90's, the apex of which was Ethan Thomas planting drugs on his ex frat-brother and then arresting him because he voted to keep him out of the frat.
I'd add that, in my personal experience as a student and the father of a current student, the university is also pretty hostile or at least indifferent to its students. My sophomore was delayed in registering for classes for a week and a half because the school lost the official record of his ACT from his high school and the parade of student workers in admissions/registrars could not be bothered to figure it out.
I would love to say that it is something that is just a current cycle, but it's part of most of my friends' Starkville/MSU personal folklore.
Part of it is that, at any given time, Oktibbeha County has +/- 200 "deputy sherriffs" aka criminal justice interns acting out their high school revenge fantasies on the public. I can remember the narc epidemic in the mid-90's, the apex of which was Ethan Thomas planting drugs on his ex frat-brother and then arresting him because he voted to keep him out of the frat.
I'd add that, in my personal experience as a student and the father of a current student, the university is also pretty hostile or at least indifferent to its students. My sophomore was delayed in registering for classes for a week and a half because the school lost the official record of his ACT from his high school and the parade of student workers in admissions/registrars could not be bothered to figure it out.
I would love to say that it is something that is just a current cycle, but it's part of most of my friends' Starkville/MSU personal folklore.
No. None of them were.
If anything, charging a cover for the central bar area on University is going to pull more of the folks out of that area and into the the surrounding streets…..leaving an even wider perimeter for law enforcement to monitor than what already exists.
There are two of you in this thread who, by my very quick count, have posted about 100 times.
I feel sure your point is made.
I feel sure your point is made.
Who da fook appointed you judge of post count effectiveness
Maybe you should work as Spruill's social media content advisor
The answer is simple. Start doing Terry stops on people, show some force when necessary and flood the area for a few weeks with cops. The issue will resolve itself quickly.
High crime is always a reflection of weak leadership. Starkville has weak leadership. And the city of Jackson will be in worse shape after their new chief gets done.
High crime is always a reflection of weak leadership. Starkville has weak leadership. And the city of Jackson will be in worse shape after their new chief gets done.
4 Barriers.
2 on University. One at the intersection of Colonel Muldrow and another in front of the apartments west of Bin 612.
1 at the stop sign of the cut through from university to College view.
1 somewhere down Maxwell just in front of Uno Mas.
Easy. The bollards are already in place.
I think the difference is people being focused on the shootings versus people focused on the general atmosphere and safety of the cotton district. It's possible the shootings wouldn't have been stopped with a cover. It's possible some of those people wouldn't have been in the area to begin with if the main section was subject to a cover. But the bigger deal is just making sure there is a good portion of the area where college students feel and are safe.
I'm not particularly advocating for a cover. I think it'd be just as effective if not more effective to do more foot patrols and more aggressive enforcement. If a cover were really necessary, then I would not be opposed to it. It would be a poor reflection on the state of starkville if that's really necessary though and I don't think it is. Plenty of places have lots of ****** population that you don't want in an entertainment district, and they manage to not have this problem. Maybe the draw of college females is too much for the ones you want to keep out and you actually do have to do something more than just active policing. But even if you do, I suspect it could be temporary and once the habits are broken, it could go back to being a place for college students without having to keep up the cover (although enforcement would probably need to keep up to avoid getting back to the same place).
Exactly. I suspect that even if the police were poorly trained and engaged in some blatant procedural no-no's, you still probably wouldn't have any issue out of it because it's expensive to litigate over getting hassled, and Starkville isn't likely to draw attention of public interest firms like say NYC's stop and frisk program did (which still went on for over a decade and with all the costs associated with it, still ended up being a net positive from the cities' perspective. The legal costs ended up being something like a 2-3% cut of its police budget on the high end while drastically reducing crime if you believe its proponents. Or antoher way to look at it is it cost about $0.20 per stop and frisk.)
When the second sentence out of your mouth after a shooting is "Bloomington is a welcoming place for ALL", you know your Mayor is pathetic.
None of them are going to be there in the first place if the loitering is made to stop, which is the point.
If they did this early on the problem likely wouldn’t have escalated
I think we are beyond that now unless they start early in the night and run people off before it gets crowded
Maybe I got tired of reading the word moron from a guy who thinks he's Einstein.
Oh, and you can 17 off as usual. I appointed myself.
What do you not understand about this concept.
if a large crowd forms, The perimeter and number of losers grows.
if a large crowd diminishes, the perimeter and number of losers diminishes.
The problem with this is everywhere smells like weed now. It’s impossible to pinpoint a direction. It really is something how villainized smokers were 10 years ago but weed is completely acceptable now. Not that smokers, me included, were any better.
That's actually a feature, not a bug, in this scenario, at least in Mississippi.
That's often not true, but irrelevant. You don't need to stop everyone that might have smoked weed. you just have to stop ones that smell like weed that are likely to cause problems.
That is true. What's even weirder is that outside of enclosed spaces, the cigarette smell wasn't so strong that you could smell cigarette smoke and not know where it came from. You could pretty much smoke cigarettes outside and not bother anybody unless you were somewhere too crowded for people to more more than a few feet away. But it's really not that weird. How things like cigarettes or weed or crack or cocaine get treated is largely a class thing. Cigarettes didn't become unacceptable because they were unhealthy. Once it became seen as a low class thing to do, it was villainized. And once weed became seen as something for affluent people to do, it became sanitized and the real negative effects wished away.
I mean I was joking with you but there are 2 or 3 people who think there isn’t a problem. That makes them morons.
if you don’t wanna be called one don’t act like one.
Lol, you just keep confirming my impression of you. You don't respond to arguments except by calling people names and questioning their intelligence. That's says everything I need to know about you.
Personally, I believe if you don't allow/condone large, unsupervised street parties for thousands of random non-students in the middle of the Cotton District, there won't be nearly as many uninvited guests in town wandering around random streets in the middle of the night. This seems like a good thing. It's hard enough to control a population of 25,000 students out drinking and creating general mischief, so I don't know why you would allow/invite all the non-affiliated people to pitch in on the chaos.
Would it have stopped this particular shooting a few blocks away Saturday? You can't know for sure, but I'd bet the odds are better if those two people weren't in town that the shooting wouldn't have happened.
This and it’s not even debatable.
shooting or not having large crowds drinking and doing drugs and not contributing to economy is never good. EVER.
I generally agree with you on the subject of this thread.
Your debate style wears me the 17 out.
People burying their heads in the sand and saying it isn’t a problem wears me out too!
But I get your point.
So, block in the area where NONE of the shootings took place?
Then why are people beating a dead horse about open containers and cover charges? None of those things have anything to do with loitering.
Enforce the laws on the books the best you can, with the manpower you have. If you can’t do what’s necessary on high tourism weekends to cover all your bases (which is 99% guaranteed to be an issue with SPD), then hire more cops and carry a bloated police force year round. Raise taxes across the board on Starkville citizens and students to pay for it. Or scrap that whole idea entirely, and just accept more risk on those weekends, if its not a hill that the citizens and their elected officials are willing to die on.
Its a zero sum game at the end of the day.
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