Im just not sure loitering without any major problems really warrants making significant changes to an area that people enjoy hanging out in and has proven over time to be safe. 2 incidents over a 5 or 6 year period certainly wouldn’t make me apprehensive about being there.
It’s like these people have never been out to bar areas.
Then you are 17ing dumb.
I think that students wouldn’t want to potentially deal with BOTH. A $10 cover isn’t going to fix anything. Hell, two of the 3 shootings in recent years have taken place behind Coconuts. Ain’t nobody hanging out back there. The one this past weekend was way off the main drag by Lummus. None of these areas would be inside the perimeter of where you could reasonably charge a cover, anyway. So, what are we even talking about here?
I mean, I totally agree that charging a $60 cover to walk around in the Cotton District would 100% solve this problem.
Guess you’re right, Ward Cleaver, we should just shut it down and ignore the fact that 99% of the nothing noteworthy happens.
No one said shut it down.
To me, the purpose of an entertainment district is to create a walkable environment where patrons can move freely between shops, restaurants, and bars while enjoying beverages purchased from those establishments.
It’s pretty bad most weekends according to several friends that have kids at State right now. They don’t go down there on the weekends at night. It’s obviously not the gun violence all the time but it gets pretty rough. Some of it is laissez faire by the city but there’s business owners of some establishments not helping things.
I’d suggest riding through the District around 10pm on a Friday or Saturday, your opinion might be a lot different. This also wasn’t the only incident this past weekend. I spoke with a girl last night who was hit in the mouth with a brick and had to go to the hospital. A group “hanging out” decided it was a good idea to throw bricks at people on a balcony. I don’t know what led up to multiple bricks being thrown, but that really doesn’t matter.
I’m guessing that I could find some theories about this if I read through the previous 4 pages of posts, but what’s happened to make it like this? I spent many, many late nights out in the CD twenty years ago, and I can’t recall one time when I felt unsafe.
The people who did the shooting were from Starkville, all of them 18-22 years old.
Yep. Ive seen people say "It was an isolated incident," but they are full of it. There may not be a shooting every weekend but there are things like this that happen pretty often.
Why, all you know how to do is yell and call people names. That proves what your IQ is better than any test. I would have been banned already for doing what you are doing in this thread.
People with low IQs almost always respond to people presenting them with a detailed argument by calling them dumb.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked at you commenting on something you don't understand, but I don't think you understand how probable cause works.
Apparently it is way more controversial than you think because some people are strongly convinced that it won't work.
I would add that there also happens to be thousands of college-age girls congregating in the area, which I don't think is totally missed by some of the hoards of young men showing up.
The police report will say something along the lines of "I was patrolling in the area of xyz at 11:00pm on Saturday night when the strong smell of weed was present. Based on the strength and direction of the smell, I determined it was likely to be coming from individual X. He acted nervous/avoided eye contact/attempted to move away from me/etc. Suspect moved his hands closer to his pocket/back of waistband/under coat/etc. I stopped and performed a Terry frisk for safety." You can do this over and over. You will find drugs and guns doing this. People with guns and drugs will not want to be in the area when this happens.
Seems pretty easy. The city could do it, Starkville Main Street Association, or the Cotton District Neighborhood Association (assuming they have one) could do it. Whichever entity makes more sense.
If X is in a big group you have to detail WHY you singled out X I believe. You can NOT do it on looks if you want a case to stick.
Here are Saturdays "alleged" perpetrators as featured in today's Starkville Dispatch, doubting these young lads have any "dockers and polos" in their wardrobe
Everyone agrees that IF enforcement of the open container laws is an issue, then it should be addressed. Although there are points of contention on feasibility and economics of how to do that.
I can tell you, with personal experience, that Starkville is pretty short on "good ones".
Coming from a lawyer who once did quite a bit of prosecution early in my career, probable cause is a fiction dictated by law enforcement. It ebbs and flows over time and era, but it's whatever law enforcement needs it to be at a given time. I don't think that's controversial.
This is why I said businesses could participate - by offering a discount or some benefit to get your money back.
Big government radical lunatic. *