i imagine he'll bounce around at a few camps
with a degree in finance, he'll set himself up for a good life outside of football
Heinrich Haarberg
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with a degree in finance, he'll set himself up for a good life outside of football
So, tallest midget argument again?
His biggest accomplishment is banging that VB player that everyone loved until she sort of posted something vague that might or might not have been about politics and then soooo many dorks turned on her because political dorks have the thinest skin around.
Let me get this out of the way right off the bat, I’m starting to believe that MR isn’t the answer here… I did like the hire at first.
With that said I think you’re over valuing where Nebraska is at and was at then… we are a blue blood program yes, but the complete lack of success wasn’t, and still isn’t doing us any favors on the recruiting trails.
Celebrating someone's public assassination is too far.
I don't think people would've cared much if it was just the typical "reeee Trump" that stupid women soapbox on.
The context of being a college student and cheerleading someone being killed at a college campus is worth considering also.
Is that what it was even about? I never saw it, I just remember the crying. I thought it was about something a teammate said that made some of the weirdos start to cry.
Yes.
Add in the DUI (inexcusable in the age of uber) and stealing jewelry and it makes it pretty easy to understand why she isn't well received.
Just say King_WRONG was WRONG AGAIN (huge shock) and move on.
I quite clearly said he is a great young man who has given his all to the Big Red. My words of criticism are not personal at all, but a frank assessment of what I think are his very limited abilities. Obviously you have a higher assessment of those abilities, so we just disagree. And if I criticize his athletic ability a lot it is for several reasons. First, because some on this board have turned him into some kind of gifted athlete that only the dullards on the board can't see. Second, because the fact he had to be used as a QB in Rhule's first season is an indictment of how bare the cupboard was in the QB room, which is a negative comment on Frost. Third, because Rhule and his staff continued to throw him out there occasionally as a QB in the wildcat position which, with only around two exceptions, were an automatic wasted play. And that is an indictment on Rhule.
Finally, you say TO would have found a way to use him. Maybe so, but maybe not. You have no way of knowing that one way or the other. Many, many a player were on TO's roster simply to provide depth but who very rarely saw the field during their time here. Many never saw the field unless we were in mop-up mode. Usually TO had very good talent on his teams on both the first and second teams. In my opinion, HH would have been a fourth or fifth team tight end on a TO team.
Yes, I have been negative on here about many things of late. And with good reasons. We suck.
At what position ? Surely not quarterback that is what SF decision of position was.
We all know he was suited to be TE.
He is in fact a gifted athlete. He’s ridiculously fast for a man that big. Maybe a below average overall QB but our coaching and play calling did him no favors. I still believe we would have won as many games with him at QB as we did with Raiola.
He could have played WR in Tom’s offense as well. >90% of life is timing. Unfortunately for Heinrich he was maybe at the right place but at the wrong time. IMO he would have better served going to an FCS school.
Trying to get in Kong good side are you.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that, they used him as wildcat and that didn’t work out so well.
Make no mistake he would have been a TE in TO’s offense.
He might have been better suited in Callahan offense as wide out.
HH is a great kid and a gifted athlete with size and speed.
However he did not have great football speed which is what is needed. The ability to accelerate quickly, change direction with mobile hips and a low center of gravity and then accelerate- burst explosively . Explosive body control is the golden ticket. Straight line 40 yard plays rarely happen in football- lots of 3-4-5 yard bursts with a needed change of direction and to do it fluidly- that is football speed. Harberg didnt poses football speed. Why Dana kept trotting H out there near the goal line was baffling.
However he did not have great football speed which is what is needed. The ability to accelerate quickly, change direction with mobile hips and a low center of gravity and then accelerate- burst explosively . Explosive body control is the golden ticket. Straight line 40 yard plays rarely happen in football- lots of 3-4-5 yard bursts with a needed change of direction and to do it fluidly- that is football speed. Harberg didnt poses football speed. Why Dana kept trotting H out there near the goal line was baffling.
It is indeed true. It’s not hate for HH, just the truth.
Everybody in the stadium knew the play call when they did that. It was stupid. Either play him at QB for a whole series or don’t put him there at all.
Maybe not QB (but maybe, think FCS teams ), but a better staff could have got him in the correct position early in his college career. Then develop him. I think SF and MR screwed his college career up big time.
Here we agree. Everyone knew when HH came into the game and lined up as a wildcat QB what play was coming. So predictable. But it also makes my point about the bizarre fixation the coaches had about getting HH into the game, no matter what. It was bizarre. The inflated sense of the guy’s abilities is what continues to astound me. Even you keep saying that HH is a gifted athlete. Based on what?? Seriously, based on what? His time in a 40 yard dash? Certainly not based on anything he ever did in a real game.
Everyone knew the playcall because we saw an entire season previously of Haarberg not able to hit the ocean from the beach. He was one of the worst passers we've seen at Nebraska this century, probably the worst. Obviously he is going to run the ball. Which made it even more stupid to trot him out there at QB this past season. Might as well have put Emmett Johnson at QB for the wildcat.
At times he made some great plays. Make no mistake when he played QB early in his career here the things opposing DCs game planned the most for was his ability to break off chunk run plays. Why the hell we didn’t run more play action pass plays is beyond understanding. He probably won us one game as a TE last year with a sideline catch he made late in the game. (Think we won that game). Very good college athlete. Poorly utilized IMO.
He had straight line speed, and he certainly was not ridiculously fast, That is not gifted.
Sorry, but what cuts did you see that make you think he could be a wide out? This thread is crazy.
For a man his size he’s very fast. I played with and against 170 lb guys Tom offered scholarships. Haarberg is faster than all of them were. Dave Leigl started at wingback for us. Haarberg would have smoked him in the 40. Yeah Leigl could make a mosquito miss inside a phone booth but Haarberg was around 240lbs. It’s not surprising that HH wasn’t elusive at that size.
To be redundant - at this level, all of these kids are “gifted athletes” or they wouldn’t be out there. It is a meaningless term along with “upside potential” whatever that is.
I have been around a lot of very good athletes, several played small college and a few played D1, 2 at Nebraska. There are lots of factors that have to come together for a kid to reach their potential. It is just too easy to give both praise for HH and to curse the coaches for not developing him more.
HH just never got over the hump to be consistently successful for whatever reason. Call it his abilities were maxed out or not developed or both.
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It happened on the goal line in the bowl game as well. Apparently a "gifted 240 pound athlete with blazing speed" consistently finds the one way a much smaller defender can stop him in short-yardage situations.
WRONG was WRONG.
This is not a "good tackle", this is two guys that are bad at football accidentally running into each other. You see one of these during every freshmen B game.
Both players get up from the ground totally shocked.
I don’t agree totally . The problem is HH played 3 positions. Came in as a QB . Then a HBack and finally a TE . No staff is going to develop a kid in that position. Plus he had multiple staffs. This isn’t all on Rhule and his staff.
Matt Rhule had him in the right position. Hback/ TE. The problem was when Rhule came in he had very little coaching and development anywhere.when Whipple and the woman beater came in they literally didn’t have HH in a position he went all year without coaching and development.HHs lack of development falls on one Staff SF and his staff
The thing with the wildcat some players are good at running it like that some aren't. I wouldn't hold that against HH. More that the coaches should have scratched that out of the playbook.
He was fast going straight he would have looked a lot better in 2023 if we had any kind of good running backs to support him so he didn't have to run every single play.
He was fast going straight he would have looked a lot better in 2023 if we had any kind of good running backs to support him so he didn't have to run every single play.
Yes, he's fast going straight for his size.
That was an ugly run attempt. Vision and elusiveness were not his strong suits. Saw the tackler too late and didn’t get low enough to mow him over. His strength was straight ahead QB scrambles on drop back pass plays.
Honestly, after seeing too much of Raiola, I was wishing we had left Haarberg at QB. At least we would have had a QB run threat.