Anyone going to Sat's FB practice? Would love to hear any comments

[IA79Cam]

A much more than just functional passing game is required. Consistently pounding and wearing down high-level defenses isn't realistic.

Iowa ran the ball over 60% last year. They absolutely need to pass the ball much more this season.

I agree that a solid run game is needed, however, an offense which is closer to 50% pass/50% run (tilted slightly more towards the pass) with a high YPA has a much better shot at making the playoffs and winning a championship at the college or NFL level.

The importance of the passing game should never be "overrated" by any fan. Its vital in this era of football.

We will up the running % I think because of the uncertainty of our defense and I believe kirk cant divorce himself from the preference of a "pocket" qb. He is going to want to possess the ball even more than in past years.

 

[Max Rebo]

Balance is great, but balance for the sake of balance is dogwater. If an opponent stacks the box throw it 50 times, kick the ever living **** out of them, and they wont stack the box anymore. Too many damn times kirk will run the ball regardless of situation to maintain "balance" I love a balanced attack but a little common sense goes a long way.

Fair enough. I was mainly just attempting to parody (and gently mock) another poster. But based on the reactions of both you and @Hawkeye1984 , perhaps it was not one of my best attempts.

 

[83Hawk]

You weren’t merely dropped on your head as a child. You were intentionally held upside down from the 2nd floor balcony and then released.

The man clearly has no idea how language works.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Balance is great, but balance for the sake of balance is dogwater. If an opponent stacks the box throw it 50 times, kick the ever living **** out of them, and they wont stack the box anymore. Too many damn times kirk will run the ball regardless of situation to maintain "balance" I love a balanced attack but a little common sense goes a long way.

8 man boxes are entirely overrated

 

[eyesofhawk]

The man clearly has no idea how language works.

Read better

 

[yrunvs]

If anybody is expecting a huge change in Iowa's offensive scheme they are going to be disappointed. Still going to be about 50/50 run pass. The plays may look different but the win/loss won't. Expect 8-4 hope for 9-3 thrilled by 10-2 anything better is cloud 9.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

If anybody is expecting a huge change in Iowa's offensive scheme they are going to be disappointed. Still going to be about 50/50 run pass. The plays may look different but the win/loss won't. Expect 8-4 hope for 9-3 thrilled by 10-2 anything better is cloud 9.

So the same mix as Oregon and Ohio State have

 

[83Hawk]

Read better

KMA

 

[AnonymousNolonger]

Sure, it's early.

But every opportunity to educate football fans is needed.

And Iowa not committing enough to the run is easily my biggest fear for this season.

With all of KF's previous OC's, they would attempt to get too cute, and usually around the start of November he would spank them into shape, and Iowa would get to running the ball. Through two seasons so far, KF has yet to spank Lester into shape. No matter what the reason for that may be, it's very concerning.

TL understands the value of the run. He isn't going to completely abandon it. But he's shown over and over again, that a heavy commitment to the run isn't what's truly in his heart. Ultimately, TL wants to be creative and set up shot plays.

Now, Iowa has the most speed at receiver since TL arrived. Heck would seem to be able to sling it a bit, if he wins the job. Lester wants to take a jump in the passing game and it appears that's going to happen.

But how much will the run game suffer? Because it will.

And how much identity gets lost? Iowa football is approaching a transition period. The fear that Iowa football (post KF) becomes too much of something they haven't been is very real

For being the OC that KF has never “spanked into shape” as you say. And considering committing to the run isn’t in his heart, as you said.

Somehow TL the top 2 highest rushing play percentage years of the last decade.

Another swing and another miss.

I must award you an E for effort once again.

 

[eyesofhawk]

For being the OC that KF has never “spanked into shape” as you say. And considering committing to the run isn’t in his heart, as you said.

Somehow TL has 2 of the top 3 highest rushing play percentage years of the last decade.

Another swing and another miss.

I must award you an E for effort once again.

I'm well aware of the numbers.

Changes none of what I've said.

This is the 3rd time that's been covered in this thread

 

[Max Rebo]

The man clearly has no idea how language works.

True story.

 

[Max Rebo]

Read better

You first.

 

[Iron Doc]

For Those of You That Have Been Ordered To Read Better:

I recommend Hooked On Phonics.

Ol' Eyes will be proud of you.

 

[83Hawk]

"Manila", Leistikow. You get paid to write.

"Manila" is "plain".

"Vanilla" is not "plain". It's "vanilla"

Manila is not “plain”. It’s “manila”. “Plain” is a descriptive adjective.

Learn better.

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

It has been said that, "ignorance is bliss"

Is that why you are the most cock-a-hoop feller on the interwebs?

 

[eyesofhawk]

You first.

I was the one mischaracterized

 

[eyesofhawk]

Manila is not “plain”. A It’s “manila”. “Plain” is a descriptive adjective.

Learn better.

Ever been through the yogurt aisle?

So, neither "manila" or "vanilla" is meant to mean plain.

But "manila" has been more closely associated with "plain", as surely you've heard before, someone ask for a, "plain manila envelope".

That association is why sports broadcasters in the 80's used the term "manila" for "plain". Then some idiot started saying, "vanilla". And now everyone says it

 

[83Hawk]

Ever been through the yogurt aisle?

So, neither "manila" or "vanilla" is meant to mean plain.

But "manila" has been more closely associated with "plain", as surely you've heard before, someone ask for a, "plain manila envelope".

That association is why sports broadcasters in the 80's used the term "manila" for "plain". Then some idiot started saying, "vanilla". And now everyone says it

Funny....I watched/listened to a LOT of sports broadcasts in the 80's and never ONCE heard the term "manila" used for plain. You probably misheard them.

I have heard someone ask for a plain manila envelope, but rarely. Manila envelope, yes, rarely "plain". Paper is more associated with plain than manila, as in "Piece of plain white paper." Then there is "plain vanilla ice cream" which I have heard far more often than "plain manila envelope".

First you say manila is plain and vanilla is not. Now you say neither manila or vanilla is meant to be plain. Glad to see you admit you were wrong. (and don't say "read better".....your words are your words and they were not mischaracterised)

 

[Sabula]

8 man boxes are entirely overrated

"8 man boxes" was the nickname for a pair of sisters a few years ahead of me in college.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Funny....I watched/listened to a LOT of sports broadcasts in the 80's and never ONCE heard the term "manila" used for plain. You probably misheard them.

I have heard someone ask for a plain manila envelope, but rarely. Manila envelope, yes, rarely "plain". Paper is more associated with plain than manila, as in "Piece of plain white paper." Then there is "plain vanilla ice cream" which I have heard far more often than "plain manila envelope".

First you say manila is plain and vanilla is not. Now you say neither manila or vanilla is meant to be plain. Glad to see you admit you were wrong. (and don't say "read better".....your words are your words and they were not mischaracterised)

Funny....I've been in a LOT of offices. And never ONCE have I heard, "plain white paper". You probably misheard them.

You made the point that, "manila", is not a descriptive adjective, as it is "manila". In response, I showed your point to be meaningless, as it only shows both, manila and vanilla, to not mean "plain". Thus, the yogurt aisle reference.

The point remains that, "manila", has been the term more used in association with "plain".

I didn't say my words were mischaracterized. So don't mischaracterize

 

[Max Rebo]

Ever been through the yogurt aisle?

So, neither "manila" or "vanilla" is meant to mean plain.

But "manila" has been more closely associated with "plain", as surely you've heard before, someone ask for a, "plain manila envelope".

That association is why sports broadcasters in the 80's used the term "manila" for "plain". Then some idiot started saying, "vanilla". And now everyone says it

Sorry, my friend, but you’ve got your wires crossed.

“Manila” has never meant “plain.” I don’t doubt that some of the "idiots" you mentioned above may have used it that way, but that’s simply a mishearing.

“Vanilla,” on the other hand, started as a flavor but has been used to mean “plain” or “conventional” since at least the early-to-mid 20th century. It’s one of those shifts in meaning that happens naturally over time -- and after nearly a century of common usage, it’s firmly established. I can appreciate a touch of curmudgeonly resistance now and then, but at this point, insisting it’s incorrect reflects stubbornness more than accuracy.

This information is easily verifiable via any reputable linguistic source or dictionary.

This is all wildly off-topic, of course, and I have no interest in getting pulled into another one of your gaslighting, circular back-and-forths. So I’ll simply leave it here with a simple request: Post better.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

Y’all are still yapping in here?

 

[85Bears]

I bought over 100 Manila envelopes in Manila, Philippines when I was doing clerical work there for the military.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Sorry, my friend, but you’ve got your wires crossed.

“Manila” has never meant “plain.” I don’t doubt that some of the "idiots" you mentioned above may have used it that way, but that’s simply a mishearing.

“Vanilla,” on the other hand, started as a flavor but has been used to mean “plain” or “conventional” since at least the early-to-mid 20th century. It’s one of those shifts in meaning that happens naturally over time -- and after nearly a century of common usage, it’s firmly established. I can appreciate a touch of curmudgeonly resistance now and then, but at this point, insisting it’s incorrect reflects stubbornness more than accuracy.

This information is easily verifiable via any reputable linguistic source or dictionary.

This is all wildly off-topic, of course, and I have no interest in getting pulled into another one of your gaslighting, circular back-and-forths. So I’ll simply leave it here with a simple request: Post better.

You've never heard the term, "plain manila envelope"?

Vanilla still is a flavor. Again, the yogurt aisle will tell you the difference between vanilla and plain.

I can't think of a single usage of vanilla for "plain", other than sportscasters using, "vanilla", to describe manila gameplans

 

[AnonymousNolonger]

"It will be a killa and a thrilla and a chilla when I get the Gorilla in Manila,"

 

[83Hawk]

You've never heard the term, "plain manila envelope"?

Vanilla still is a flavor. Again, the yogurt aisle will tell you the difference between vanilla and plain.

I can't think of a single usage of vanilla for "plain", other than sportscasters using, "vanilla", to describe manila gameplans

And Manila is still “a strong paper or thin cardboard with a smooth light brown finish made from e.g. Manila hemp”.

You’ve never heard the terms “plain sheet of paper”, “plain features”, “in plain sight”, or “just plain stupid”?

Just because the term “plain manila envelope” is sometimes used does NOT translate to “manila gameplans”.

As for your contention that “sports broadcasters” (which implies common, widespread use) used “manila” to describe “plain” gameplans……you are just “plain wrong”. A quick google query asking when manila was used to describe something plain in sports shows the following:

Based on the provided search results, there is no evidence that "Manila" is used in sports to describe something plain. The term in sports historically refers to:

• The "Thrilla in Manila" (1975): Muhammad Ali's famous boxing match against Joe Frazier.
• 1913 Baseball Lingo: Mentions in from a list of pitcher terms, but it is not listed among the 18 synonyms for a pitcher.
• The word "Manila" actually refers to a type of hemp (derived from a Philippine banana plant) or the light brown paper made from it, often mistaken for "vanilla" or used for folders. The 1975 Thrilla in Manila boxing match is the most prominent sports usage.
  Oxford English Dictionary +2

When you ask google when vanilla was used to describe something plain in sports, you get the following:


The term "vanilla" to describe something plain, standard, or without features in sports and general parlance originated from the characterization of vanilla ice cream as the standard, basic option, with "plain vanilla" appearing in horse-racing, such as in Collyer's Comment in the early 1930s, and becoming more common to describe, [read the full history on word histories and English Language & Usage Stack Exchange.
Key Origins:

• 1930s: Early instances of "plain vanilla" appeared in horse-racing publications like Collyer's Comment(e.g., 1931–1933) to denote something straightforward, according to word histories.
• 1940s-1970s: The phrase "plain vanilla" became more firmly established to mean conventional or standard, notes word histories.
• Context: By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, vanilla ice cream was already seen as the standard, "plain" option, setting the stage for the slang usage, notes the New York Times and a Reddit post.

In modern sports, this refers to a "vanilla" playbook or defensive scheme, meaning it is simple, basic, and lacks exotic or complex, tricky plays.

You can pretend plain gameplans were referred to as “manila” by sportscasters all you want. The facts say otherwise.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

The hot dogs still suck.

 

[eyesofhawk]

And Manila is still “a strong paper or thin cardboard with a smooth light brown finish made from e.g. Manila hemp”.

You’ve never heard the terms “plain sheet of paper”, “plain features”, “in plain sight”, or “just plain stupid”?

Just because the term “plain manila envelope” is sometimes used does NOT translate to “manila gameplans”.

As for your contention that “sports broadcasters” (which implies common, widespread use) used “manila” to describe “plain” gameplans……you are just “plain wrong”. A quick google query asking when manila was used to describe something plain in sports shows the following:

Based on the provided search results, there is no evidence that "Manila" is used in sports to describe something plain. The term in sports historically refers to:

• The "Thrilla in Manila" (1975): Muhammad Ali's famous boxing match against Joe Frazier.
• 1913 Baseball Lingo: Mentions in from a list of pitcher terms, but it is not listed among the 18 synonyms for a pitcher.
• The word "Manila" actually refers to a type of hemp (derived from a Philippine banana plant) or the light brown paper made from it, often mistaken for "vanilla" or used for folders. The 1975 Thrilla in Manila boxing match is the most prominent sports usage.
  Oxford English Dictionary +2

When you ask google when vanilla was used to describe something plain in sports, you get the following:


The term "vanilla" to describe something plain, standard, or without features in sports and general parlance originated from the characterization of vanilla ice cream as the standard, basic option, with "plain vanilla" appearing in horse-racing, such as in Collyer's Comment in the early 1930s, and becoming more common to describe, [read the full history on word histories and English Language & Usage Stack Exchange.
Key Origins:

• 1930s: Early instances of "plain vanilla" appeared in horse-racing publications like Collyer's Comment(e.g., 1931–1933) to denote something straightforward, according to word histories.
• 1940s-1970s: The phrase "plain vanilla" became more firmly established to mean conventional or standard, notes word histories.
• Context: By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, vanilla ice cream was already seen as the standard, "plain" option, setting the stage for the slang usage, notes the New York Times and a Reddit post.

In modern sports, this refers to a "vanilla" playbook or defensive scheme, meaning it is simple, basic, and lacks exotic or complex, tricky plays.

You can pretend plain gameplans were referred to as “manila” by sportscasters all you want. The facts say otherwise.

Yes, believe it or not, I've heard usages of "plain", before.

And, believe it or not, that has nothing to do with that fact I've never heard anyone say, "plain white paper".

Nor have I ever heard anyone say, "plain vanilla ice cream". So, you must have misheard that one too.

None of what you've provided proves that sportcasters in the 80's didn't describe plain gameplans as, "manila".

Sometimes it's ok to simply take people at face value. It's only been a pet peeve of mine for nearly 40 years. One would think that pet peeve originated out of something other than my imagination

 

[83Hawk]

Yes, believe it or not, I've heard usages of "plain", before.

And, believe it or not, that has nothing to do with that fact I've never heard anyone say, "plain white paper".

Nor have I ever heard anyone say, "plain vanilla ice cream". So, you must have misheard that one too.

None of what you've provided proves that sportcasters in the 80's didn't describe plain gameplans as, "manila".

Sometimes it's ok to simply take people at face value. It's only been a pet peeve of mine for nearly 40 years. One would think that pet peeve originated out of something other than my imagination

The only “proof” you provided that sportscasters in the 80’s routinely described plain gameplans as “manila” is your say so. Sorry….but that won’t cut it. Google AI says you’re wrong.

Since you seem to think it was common practice, let’s hear from the community. How many folks here remember sportscasters routinely referring to plain gameplans as “manila”?

And how many have never heard it used that way?

 

[Max Rebo]

The only “proof” you provided that sportscasters in the 80’s routinely described plain gameplans as “manila” is your say so. Sorry….but that won’t cut it. Google AI says you’re wrong.

Since you seem to think it was common practice, let’s hear from the community. How many folks here remember sportscasters routinely referring to plain gameplans as “manila”?

And how many have never heard it used that way?

You can’t argue with a gaslighter.

Just forget it. He’s rolling.

 

[twindman]

Straight from the interwebz- Manila is a color, typically described as a warm, muted shade of beige with a hint of yellow, reminiscent of the color of manila paper. It evokes a sense of simplicity and natural elegance

 

[eyesofhawk]

The only “proof” you provided that sportscasters in the 80’s routinely described plain gameplans as “manila” is your say so. Sorry….but that won’t cut it. Google AI says you’re wrong.

Since you seem to think it was common practice, let’s hear from the community. How many folks here remember sportscasters routinely referring to plain gameplans as “manila”?

And how many have never heard it used that way?

A man's word won't cut it?

The burden of proof is not on me. You are the one questioning and trying to disprove. And again, google AI doesn't prove anything.

I truly feel sorry for you, that you are not able to take another man at face value.

For what reason would I have to make something like that up?

 

[eyesofhawk]

Straight from the interwebz- Manila is a color, typically described as a warm, muted shade of beige with a hint of yellow, reminiscent of the color of manila paper. It evokes a sense of simplicity and natural elegance

And?

 

[paladinhawk_rivals]

Ever been through the yogurt aisle?

So, neither "manila" or "vanilla" is meant to mean plain.

But "manila" has been more closely associated with "plain", as surely you've heard before, someone ask for a, "plain manila envelope".

That association is why sports broadcasters in the 80's used the term "manila" for "plain". Then some idiot started saying, "vanilla". And now everyone says it

Post better....there's this new fangled thing where you change check the veracity of stories like yours.

In the late 18th century, Thomas Jefferson helped popularize vanilla ice cream in the U.S. after discovering it in France. Because it was colorless and didn't have "chunks" (like fruit or nut flavors), it became the literal "plain" option on menus.

By the late 1800s, the term "plain vanilla" started appearing in newspapers to describe the standard, unembellished version of the dessert. If you wanted something "fancy," you added toppings; if you wanted the baseline, you got plain vanilla.

‎Google Gemini

Meet Gemini, Google’s AI assistant. Get help with writing, planning, brainstorming, and more. Experience the power of generative AI.

gemini.google.com

 

[eyesofhawk]

Post better....there's this new fangled thing where you change check the veracity of stories like yours.

In the late 18th century, Thomas Jefferson helped popularize vanilla ice cream in the U.S. after discovering it in France. Because it was colorless and didn't have "chunks" (like fruit or nut flavors), it became the literal "plain" option on menus.

By the late 1800s, the term "plain vanilla" started appearing in newspapers to describe the standard, unembellished version of the dessert. If you wanted something "fancy," you added toppings; if you wanted the baseline, you got plain vanilla.

‎Google Gemini

Meet Gemini, Google’s AI assistant. Get help with writing, planning, brainstorming, and more. Experience the power of generative AI.

gemini.google.com

And?

 

[83Hawk]

A man's word won't cut it?

The burden of proof is not on me. You are the one questioning and trying to disprove. And again, google AI doesn't prove anything.

I truly feel sorry for you, that you are not able to take another man at face value.

For what reason would I have to make something like that up?

Yes, the burden of proof is on YOU. You made the claim, yet have offered no evidence to support it other than your say so. And sorry, google AI and its massive database carries more weight than “your word”. A person can “say” anything they want, but that doesn’t make it true.

I am sure you truly believe sportscasters once referred to plain gameplans as “manila”. For whatever reason. Maybe you misheard it. Maybe it was a term used by a local sportscaster that you, over time, have extrapolated out to being commonly used. Maybe you are just trolling. Maybe it’s something you think you remember, but in actuality never happened. Bottom line is…..when you make a claim, you have to be prepared to back it up. “Because I said so” doesn’t cut it. People believe a lot of things that they swear are true…but aren’t.

Apparently the only person who has heard plain gameplans referred to as “manila” is you. If you want to hold on to that belief, more power to you. Just don’t be surprised if you get laughed at.

In any case, I am thru discussing this with you. I will not be drawn into another of your pissing matches.

 

[83Hawk]

Post better....there's this new fangled thing where you change check the veracity of stories like yours.

In the late 18th century, Thomas Jefferson helped popularize vanilla ice cream in the U.S. after discovering it in France. Because it was colorless and didn't have "chunks" (like fruit or nut flavors), it became the literal "plain" option on menus.

By the late 1800s, the term "plain vanilla" started appearing in newspapers to describe the standard, unembellished version of the dessert. If you wanted something "fancy," you added toppings; if you wanted the baseline, you got plain vanilla.

‎Google Gemini

Meet Gemini, Google’s AI assistant. Get help with writing, planning, brainstorming, and more. Experience the power of generative AI.

gemini.google.com

Facts are pesky things.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Yes, the burden of proof is on YOU. You made the claim, yet have offered no evidence to support it other than your say so. And sorry, google AI and its massive database carries more weight than “your word”. A person can “say” anything they want, but that doesn’t make it true.

I am sure you truly believe sportscasters once referred to plain gameplans as “manila”. For whatever reason. Maybe you misheard it. Maybe it was a term used by a local sportscaster that you, over time, have extrapolated out to being commonly used. Maybe you are just trolling. Maybe it’s something you think you remember, but in actuality never happened. Bottom line is…..when you make a claim, you have to be prepared to back it up. “Because I said so” doesn’t cut it. People believe a lot of things that they swear are true…but aren’t.

Apparently the only person who has heard plain gameplans referred to as “manila” is you. If you want to hold on to that belief, more power to you. Just don’t be surprised if you get laughed at.

In any case, I am thru discussing this with you. I will not be drawn into another of your pissing matches.

I haven't claimed anything. I've told you what I've heard.

You are the one claiming that what I've said isn't true. So yes, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

Only you're too dumb to realize that you will never be able to prove what my own ears have or have not heard.

I have never said the word, "manila", was commonly used to describe plain gameplans. No need to mischaracterize

 

[paladinhawk_rivals]

That association is why sports broadcasters in the 80's used the term "manila" for "plain". Then some idiot started saying, "vanilla". And now everyone says it

I have never said the word, "manila", was commonly used to describe plain gameplans. No need to mischaracterize

How the hell can't you remember what you posted 8 hours ago? You absolutely did claim sports broadcasters used the term manila for plain. How in the world is that not commonly used?

Yet another thread you've turned into a dumpster fire, so put another notch on your keyboard.

 

[eyesofhawk]

How the hell can't you remember what you posted 8 hours ago? You absolutely did claim sports broadcasters used the term manila for plain. How in the world is that not commonly used?

Yet another thread you've turned into a dumpster fire, so put another notch on your keyboard.

Yes, I did hear "manila" used in that way by sportscasters.

But I didn’t hear it that often. It wasn't a phrase used as commonly as "vanilla" gets used these days.

That's what's annoying about it. Everyone says it now. And they don't even know what they're saying