If Spencer has any interest in coaching
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He seems intelligent enough that he would want to pursue an actual career outside of the carnival world.
Like many have said before, I really don’t see Spencer as an effective head coach going forward. He was a great wrestler, but has never really demonstrated the kind of qualities a successful head coach possesses.
As opposed to the public displays of genius demonstrated by Cael Sanderson, David, Taylor, and Tom Brands?
Sell Sanderson has won something like 13/16 recently so he has a track record of success.
Sanderson and, to a lesser extend Taylor, yes.
The Brands don’t belong anywhere near that conversation.
And I’m obviously not talking about any of their ability to display themselves as “geniuses”, but rather their temperament and leadership abilities.
Cael’s success is obvious. David’s is pretty apparent too, although still in development. But he also had years of M2 success upon which to build.
I think it would be great for the sport if Spencer ended up being a great NCAA head coach. He would have to unlearn a lot of what T&T instilled in him (or were unable to coach out of him).
(And yes one time i saw Cael throw a chair!)
We are talking about before they became head coaches there, genius.
Talking about before they became head coaches. How is it possible you did not understand that’s what I was talking about? Lol. The point was, none of those three guys made you think “man this guy is gonna be a great head coach!” a few years after they finished college.
And if you don’t think Tom Brands is a good wrestling coach, I have news for you. There are a number of gold NCAA team trophies in the trophy case that disagree with you on this. Has his time come and gone? I believe yes. But you can’t claim he’s not a legendary coach. You would be an idiot for doing so.
You don’t think the Brands belong anywhere near a conversation about leadership abilities? You are a complete clown
Nice attempt at a recovery.
Anyway, I’ll save you the embarrassment of having to defend Spencer as a good coaching prospect when the consensus seems to be the opposite. He’s always been a very “me me me first” kinda guy, which can lead you to 2 or 3 individual NCAA titles but probably needs to be adjusted significantly going forward if he is the one you’re planning on saving the Hawkeyes.
BTW, every non Iowa fan had a pretty good idea DT was a great coaching prospect. Heck, even @johnstownsteel told you guys he was the big hire you needed, which was met with typical derision and mocking by the paste-eaters of the Cesspool.
It is quite possible that everything they say and do behind closed doors with their athletes is 100% the opposite of how they carry themselves on display in public. If that is truly the case, then maybe they can enter the chat.
“The consensus.”Who the hell are you talking about this with? Lol
And recovery? Give me a break. lol
The fact of the matter is that no one looked at some of the best coaches in college wrestling history as 26-year-olds and thought “man, that guy is going to be one amazing coach!“ Cael was an absolute zero. And I am hardly your garden variety Iowa fan Cael basher. As a matter of fact, in the past few weeks, I have been the one carrying the torch in those inane conversations.
Spooner: 3
PAHurdler: 0
For anyone keeping score.
PAHurdler: 0
For anyone keeping score.
PAHURDLER....just go to your own board. I mean as Spoon said, Cael appears from the outside to be far from a "leader". You want to talk about ABSOLUTELY no damn personality! I'm a Hawk til the day I die but damn I respect the success they've had under him. He might have some advantages but he's getting it done so hats off to him. You PSU guys are a damn dynasty but Jesus your coach is pathetic to listen to as a fan. It's working for him, if I were him I'd stay the coarse and I'm sure he will. But to jump to Spencer doesn't have the leadership abilities to be a head coach is laughable, just a complete f'n joke. And all of this is coming up after Spencer loses to a damn stud after injury on a "swing for the fences" headlock. I hope Spencer is healthy for the WTT because I'm more than 83% sure that he will make the world team.
Some of what you say is true, but most people knew Cael would be a great coach and DT was a no brainer. Brands was a great coach too, and I'm sure many were surprised. I don't think very many people would be surprised if Spencer was a very good coach if that becomes his desire. It really isn't that important for a head coach to be a great public speaker as long as the conversations with athletes in the room and future recruits go well.
Taylor has always been sharp and pretty well spoken. I think Spencer is very similar just a bit more reserved maybe but zero doubt he has the intelligence and communication skills to be an effective leader. Whether he wants to or not is another question.
Me thinks a PA guy is a bit worried about Spencer Lee coaching Hawks.
What camps of his have you attended to be able to evaluate his coaching style that you donnot think will translate into D1 coaching?
The recipe is incredibly obvious. Match the biggest current name coming off world level medals with one of the biggest wrestling schools possible, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, match that with a huge money donor.
If you can get a billionaire on board, or keep Bob along with a couple more at his level, Spencer would be a no brainer. He could recruit PA, which is incredibly important, and connect with and land the absolute elite recruits, having been one himself.
The question isn’t if he can do it. It simply would be how many medals will he have when he retires and will he be 100% driven to be a head coach right after…
If you can get a billionaire on board, or keep Bob along with a couple more at his level, Spencer would be a no brainer. He could recruit PA, which is incredibly important, and connect with and land the absolute elite recruits, having been one himself.
The question isn’t if he can do it. It simply would be how many medals will he have when he retires and will he be 100% driven to be a head coach right after…
As with most things in life, there are lots of styles of coaching and lots of ways to be successful. Just because a coach has incredible success one way does not mean it’s the only way that works. Recency bias is very real
Only a fool would be worried about Spencer coaching. Hell, DT hasn't remotely accomplished what the Brands brothers have. Some of y'all need to get a clue. You don't win 4 Natty's and suck. Y'all just won a Natty 5 years ago. Who else has since 2021? Yeah, get a dose of reality.
Cael has excelled in recruiting the very best HS wrestlers ... World FS medalists, top 10 p4p HS ranked, best in their weight class, right up and down the line up. No other coach in America has done that.
I should add, having a sugar daddy fund the NLWC with 10 fold more money than any other facility in America, and allowing their collegiate wrestlers to work there and at camps for salary in the summer made staying within the limit of 9.9 scholarships less important for PSU.
Beyond getting the very best guys to start with, Cael is not any better than a number of other coaches. His record at ISU (3 as ***'t coach, 3 yrs as head coach) saw him win no team titles.
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Of all the terrible low-IQ Cesspool takes, “cArL cAn’T cOaCh!” is still an all time classic.
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In my lifetime, we've had two iconic wrestling coaches. Both of them had pretty solid resumes as wrestlers . Others were quite successful in wrestling too however, we've only had two guys completely dominate in my lifetime.
Gable and Sanderson are the anomalies. They're not the norm. I see nothing that indicates that Lee would be in their league.
I think every wrestler that strives to be an Olympic Champion has a "me me me first" attitude. I think it is a necessity. I do not think Spencer would be a coach anywhere near the likes of Cael or Gable or even TnT. I think he would be more of a Kolat type coach with that type of success - which is impressive, but not legendary.
I will say that I prefer the persona of SL to that of a Bo Bassett. SL has always seemed humble and considerate of others and has never really seemed like the kind of guy who wants the spotlight. He seems like a class act to me.
What kind of qualities is that? What doesn't he have right now other than a coaching title next to his name.
Nor was anyone claiming he would be. The comment was that he wouldn’t be “effective” or “successful.”
“Iconic” is a massive goal post move.
13 of 15 but who's really keeping track of those things..
In case this needs to be pointed out, Sanderson and Taylor both went to sleeping giants and had money thrown at them. My guess if you put Spencer and yes, TNT, in both of those situations they would have flourished. It's amazing what you can do when you combine a program's history, resources both in terms of local talent, and lots and lots of money what you can accomplish.
Ah yes, because Iowa wrestling is a walking zombie of a program.
You could make the same dumb comment about dozens of coaches at C-List programs compared to Iowa, and how if they were here instead of TnT they would have the same success yada yada yada
So Iowa can't claim 2020, but to you it didn't happen at all? Interesting how that works...
??? He is 13 of 16 at PSU and 13 of 19 as a head coach. Throwing a year off his record is not needed to make him look better. Everyone knows he is doing very well.
My comment was referring to the "shocking" success of Taylor and Sanderson. Think a little deeper if you can.
I'm not a Carl fan and recruiting has definitely been his strongest attribute but to pretend he and his staff aren't also developing incredible college wrestlers is asinine. They've raised the bar when it comes to scrambling, chain wrestling, strength and conditioning, versatile offensive attacking, match strategizing etc... He's getting the recruits he is now bc of the results prior wrestlers have had.
Iowa hasn't won a full field NCAA wrestling tournament since 2010.
He has ALWAYS had great recruits, even going back to ISU. They are STILL probably the best at mat coaching as well. However, the GREATEST separator is flat out recruiting. Why people want to downplay or flat out disregard that makes NO sense to me.
Who doesn't want to start something with the best possible resources no matter what you are doing? You can be the best framing carpenter in the world, but you aren't going to get far using the rock hammer from Shawshank...
So, Covid basically means they weren't the best team those 2 seasons? Got it. Great logic for PSU to find a way to have it only be about them. Makes sense why you post here...
He didn't have nearly the level of recruits at ISU top to bottom he did later at psu. Not even close. And as I stated, recruiting is clearly his #1 attribute. We all know this. But guys are going from really damn good to historically good in that room. It's undeniable they're combining recruiting and development at a level no one has since prime Gable years Iowa.