I hope Indiana wins 5 straight nattys and we get to see the blue bloods all lose their minds and fire their coaches incessantly. I would love to see more parity and the sport grow at more schools to maintain its health.
What are some attainable names Troy Dannen has
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We have gotten better every year now under Rhule so he won't have to
The univeristy just lost a million in lost revenue on the spring game failure(2 years now). And the economic estimates i could find are about $5M to the city of Lincoln. So A) That buyout falls squarely on our cuck AD Dannen and its a fireable offense, assuming the OP scenario where this season goes sideways fast. B) $67M becomes much less of a deal, even at NU, when your coach is costing you millions in donor money. When its costing the city millions of dollars per home game. When its costing the University millions in stadium revenues.
At $5M per home game and spring game. One bad season, evident early, could cost you easily a third or half of that buyout in lost revenue.
Dannen didn’t give Rhule the extension without the BOR agreeing to it .
This is 100% correct and should be the response whenever anyone mentions not being able to afford the buyout. It's always going to come down to some version of these types of factors. Every big buyout paid by any school comes down to...
"we can't afford to, but we really can't afford not to"
And it'll never be the full amount anyways, Rhule has an offset clause so unless he retires young it'll be mitigated down.
They did it playing most G5 teams, making the Top 25 every once in a while, is a lot better than what the Huskers have done but hell Iowa does that. I am not expecting the return of the nineties, but it might be nice to be in one of the top 3 spots in the BIG occasionally. Service academy coaches simply do not coach regular players. Their players are already extremely bright and motivated. Lastly, I am not sure how adept these coaches are in this new world of NIL money.
I am not aware of anytime that a a city’s lost revenue has played in to a university firing a coach. I would love to read about that scenario if you would provide me with the cases where it happened. So I will assume the $5 million in lost revenue you speak of, is in ticket sales and I’m not buying it. As of last year I believe season ticket sales were still strong and unless they go down this year, there won’t be any lost revenue this year. As for donors, the University will need many of those to step up and payoff the buyout, because they can’t afford to pay $10 to 12.5 million a year until 2032 while paying another large contract to the new coach.
I love this argument. How big of a contract do you think Rhule will be able to secure after he is fired from Nebraska? Everyone on here, you included, talks about what a terrible coach Rhule is. But you think he is going to get a substantial contract somewhere else? Just an example Bo Pelini was owed $7.9 million, he was hired at Youngstown St. with a starting salary of $214,000. After deducting his salary at YSU for the remaining years on his NU contract, Nebraska saved $1.4 million. So they still had to pay Bo $6.5 million. Do you think Rhule will get signed for anywhere north of $5 million?
Now there are always plenty of empty seats around where I sit. Years ago it was packed - no room anywhere. Now there are empty seats all around even on nice days and against solid opponents. While the games may be listed as sold out- more people than ever not attending. Lack of interest surely does matter when it comes to staying employed here.
Baylor might take him back for around $5 million if Aranda is fired.
Maybe they will, if they decide to ignore the historical results of hiring a former coach. Here are some notable examples with their winning percentage in their first stint compared to their second stint.
John Robinson (USC)- 82.7% then 63.8%
Bill Snyder (KSU)- 66.7% then 61.7%
Bobby Petrino (L’ville)- 82% then 58.1%
Mack Brown (UNC)- 60% then 57.1%
Bill Walsh (Stanford)- 70.8% then 50%
Gary Andersen (Utah St)- 52% then 43.8%
Greg Schiano (Rutgers)- 50.4% then 43.3%
Johnny Majors (Pitt)- 71.7% then 27.3%
Randy Edsall (UConn)- 52.6% then 15.8%
It very rarely works out, rehiring a coach.
the team that showed up for the first half against Colorado in 2024 is the best team Rhule has been apart of. there was moxie, grit, violence, and even luck.
unfortunately, he completely sabotage it by telling them they needed to calm down and be more respectful at halftime.
that was the exact moment I knew my initial read on Rhule was 100% correct.
BOR have been basically a rubber stamp for our AD. Yeah they had to approve it but at that point it wasn’t an easy decision for them to deny it. IF the vote had happened after the MN game there’s no way they would have allowed it.
Most estimates I see say home games are worth more money in concessions and licensed apparel sales than is taken in from tickets. IF people stop showing up to games it will cost NU millions every game.
IF he doesn’t pull his butt out of the fire here, nobody is going to hire him.
My main point with this is to show people who think Dannen and other ADs have absolute power when it comes to contract extensions and Hiring and firing’s.
Totally agree with your logic in a normal world. However, Matt is a unicorn. He makes MORE money everywhere he goes no matter the size of the train wreck at the previous stop.
I think at some point, if things continue to go South, you have to start with the AD. Until you have a rock solid AD, your not going anywhere. And how many people would trust the current AD to actually make a hire? To me it starts there. Until you have a competent AD that can steer the ship you better stand pat and not make yet another mistake. Then if you want to make a change, you better have a list of guys you can hire who can do more with less, and someone who can bring in a staff that can develop talent. My choice would be the guy we offered and got turned down by before Ruhle was hired.
You dont think the state capital and home of the university has any swing in decision making for the cities biggest economic driver......lol OK do I even waste my time then?
The projection is based on the Lincoln Chamber of Commerce from 2022. At that time they estimated the economic impact of home games + the spring scrimmage is approx $5M per game. Pretty safe to say with inflation that is a conservative number today.
So with 7-8 home games per year at >$5M per crack. These are the bigger picture conversations that will be had in regards to Rhules buyout. Does it matter? Maybe. maybe not.....but people just throwing out large numbers(his buyout) without context and claiming the guy is untouchable, arent thinking about the whole picture.
Agreeing to back the AD for doing his job(even poorly) doesnt hold them entirely responsible.
The other side of that coin is about half of the board are career educators and politicians spent their entire careers cashing tax payer checks vs writing them. Expecting that crowd to make fiscally responsible decisions, or decisions requiring direct understanding of Rhules program and market values of College footballs landscape....its unrealistic. They LARGELY depend on the AD for those decisions.
You are missing my point. I am saying the ADs don’t have absolute power. People on this board think Troy doesn’t have the balls to fire Rhule . I am just saying he doesn’t have absolute power to do so. Trev wanted to fire Frost after Trevs first year here. He was told he couldn’t. You honestly think Pat Kraft at PSU fired Franklin on his own? The Coaching search alone should show you he was caught completely off guard and was forced to fire him. If Nebraskas game with Minnesota happens before Franklin got fired No way in hell Rhule gets the extension. He’ll Trev got the the A$M job because tje previous AD had an agreement in place Mark Stopps to be the coach and the A$M BOR said no you are hiring Elko . Some on here assume the ADs have more power than they do .
I agree with you. This isnt a decision solely made by the AD. We are on the same page here.
I wish they'd can Dannen. Can't stand the guy.
Lastly, just IMO, I think the BOR is going to get its own dose of pressure to fire Rhule if the wheels fall off. We can go back and forth about who would get more pressure, but my argument would be that IF the the winds are blowing that way, I dont think there is going to be massive division between the AD and BOR.
I'm not saying Vigen won't ever leave Montana State....but I think it would take the right job for him to leave. He's not just going to chase a bigger paycheck.
I honestly don't think he would take the Nebraska job. This program has been dysfunctional for the last 20+ years. It seems every coach we've had during this time has been miserable here.
What's even more baffling is we seem to be kicking *** in every other sport right now - basketball, volleyball, softball, baseball, wrestling, track and field - all these teams ranked among the best in the country this year. But the cash cow football is mediocre at best.
If there's one thing NU has led the nation in, it's money paid out to coaches who no longer coach for you. So let's fire up the Google machine. Let's find another wow hire. Bicycle rider from Oregon? UCFast? Air Raid?
I’m not so sure that Kraft didn’t pull the plug on Franklin on his own. I doubt their board had a formal vote to terminate Franklin before it was done. My gut says there were informal discussions with their board and informal consent was given by a majority of the board or at least their executive committee. That whole deal was weird and I can’t help but think there were other undisclosed problems with Franklin.
The BOR gets “advice” from their constituents on the football coach all the time. No doubt that extensions caused a lot of calls, emails and personal interactions.
The BOR only care about the revenue that comes from football
I have read, and believe it was quoting Cuban himself as saying that reports of how much NIL he gave Indiana were greatly exaggerated. The simply fact is he brought many players with him that he and his staffed developed. They kept the same systems and added some new players but it’s not like they set the world on fire with recruiting numbers. It is now and will always be coaching, coaching, coaching, coaching. Spend all the money you want and look around, did that guarantee any programs even a spot in the playoffs?
So Cigs success was immediate with his existing players. There is a time lag in there where he would need to recruit and develop and his success was immediate. Cubans money doesn’t exactly add up.
I would actually trust Dannen, yes.
Hired Fritz at Tulane and Fisch at Washington (better hire than most will give credit for).
I suspect he also played a part in getting Holgorsen and Aurich here, and he's not able to control Rhule's insecurities that led to White and Ekeler leaving.
The extension was ugly, though I imagine there are board pressures we aren't privy to.
I think there is some truth to this.
but
There isn't likely to be another job of this caliber that's open, and anyone looking to hire a new coach is likely facing some level of dysfunction.
I don't see him taking a job like South Carolina or Maryland.
Hope you're right, but I'd be surprised if that holds true by the end of the season. If it does, we need to jump on the firing and hiring this year because that's certainly not usually the case. Last year was a perfect example. Lots of very high profile jobs available. Ask Penn State how that worked out for them.
I don't think jobs of a higher caliber would entertain Vigen.
I imagine there will be a crazy run at Cig's assistants first, then it'll be the DeBoer/Dillingham show again. Possibly Chesney if he has UCLA looking turned around quick
What you really should hope for is for Rhule to win enough games to shut us all up. I’m not betting on more than 6 wins but if we would win 8 or more with our schedule we should probably stfu.
I wouldnt trust that guy with a local scout troop's checkbook, let alone to make sound decisions about our football program.
Just in the last 6 months, he had to explain to us 1) That he was too stupid to understand that if we raised our NIL pool, that other schools would also do so at the highest level they could. 2) Him and the GM are so clueless on the NIL transfer market, that "we should be lucky for the guys we were able to get" referencing a 250lb RS fr from Pitt and a 6th year senior from BC, coming off a season ending injury, with like 30 career tackles.
Go back 12 months and we can add in the extension. The women's flag football. Canceling the spring game. Etc.
He's a typical academia dipshit...
Even with 8 wins, he would have a losing record against big10 opponents....Did we hire him to have a losing conference record in year 4? Cuz that doesnt make me want to STFU...
Okay, fine, the crappy results part of the season in my scenario was implied.
8 (regular season) wins with this year's schedule would likely get me to qtfd some, but it's certainly not enough to get me to completely stfu.
He has a loooooong list of f ups he'll need to make up for before I completely stfu and trust him again.
How do you figure? (Assuming 8 regular season and not a bowl adding to that number). That would be 3 against the first 3 OOC opponents, plus 5 of 9 against B1G opponents.
I like some of the points you made.
Still though, he inherited the Rhule hire, and he's done well on his hires at previous stops.