Rutgers doesn’t win enough because most of you don’t donate enough

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So here we go again
Start another inflammatory thread that will go on for pages and accomplish nothing
You never learn
He's a troll, the fact that you all keep engaging him is what he wants. Ignore his posts and the loser has no platform.
 
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He's a troll, the fact that you all keep engaging him is what he wants. Ignore his posts and the loser has no platform.
These threads always wind up as multiple pages
I do not usually discourage postings, but he deserves it
I think he honestly thinks he is making a difference
 
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Most of the fans here are the very ones that have supported Rutgers for decades. They’ve been to the Temple game in the rain in 2002 or 2003 with 1500 in the stands, or endured the Shea Error prior to that, and doubled it up with the Ash Terror. Ridiculing the very heart of the fan base, which is who posts here, gets nothing done but alienate you to the core of the fanbase, Al.
 
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Hypothetical counterpoint…

If I choose to give to charities that help sick children, feed the hungry, support our vets, etc. are you suggesting I should choose one of those to give up so that I can redirect charitable dollars to non-loyal 19 year olds?

People will make their own personal decisions about where to direct their money. And none of those decisions are wrong, whether benefitting Rutgers or not. If you don’t like it because you wanna be like Miami, you are tilting at windmills.

Stop the lectures.

And I will continue to make my personal decisions on what I post. Stop trying to police my speech.

Yes, I want a football program that’s as good as Miami, Michigan, and Ohio State. We have the potential. We have the best location, imo. What we are lacking is infrastructure and NIL. This is why our recruiting is subpar.

There isn’t enough support to win. I thought we were here to win. I guess not.
 
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newell138

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Theres room to support good causes in addition to your favorite football team.

If people don’t increase their football support,
We’ll just have to embrace mediocrity, just like the last 100+ years. Then you can’t sit here and complain about the results. Because 2nd rate support provides 2nd rate results. That’s the tradeoff.
As RU fans you have no choice but to accept mediocrity. A trip to a minor bowl game gets everyone juiced here. We are never competing with the blue bloods unless you get a whale who has FU money. Look at OSU last night, they dominated the first round of the draft and they still couldn't win a natty.
 
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Most of the fans here are the very ones that have supported Rutgers for decades. They’ve been to the Temple game in the rain in 2002 or 2003 with 1500 in the stands, or endured the Shea Error prior to that, and doubled it up with the Ash Terror. Ridiculing the very heart of the fan base, which is who posts here, gets nothing done but alienate you to the core of the fanbase, Al.

Support through adverse circumstances is admirable, but it doesn’t bring Championships. Significant financial support is what brings Championships.

That’s why Indiana spent $86 M dollars to improve their infrastructure, and millions more on great players and coaches. The #1 pick in the draft cost them $2.6 M.

Success starts with recruiting. We are not recruiting at a level which will bring success. Miami is recruiting at a level which will bring success because they have the financial support to be successful.

If we want better results, we have to talk about what’s needed for better results. If people don’t want better results, then that’s their decision. But they can’t complain afterwards that we didn’t do better.
 
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As RU fans you have no choice but to accept mediocrity. A trip to a minor bowl game gets everyone juiced here. We are never competing with the blue bloods unless you get a whale who has FU money. Look at OSU last night, they dominated the first round of the draft and they still couldn't win a natty.

The only reason we have to accept mediocrity is because we aren’t motivated enough to support success.
 
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It’s almost useless arguing with those that have the coaching blinders on. I watch every game, outside of the blue bloods, we are on par talent wise with everyone else in the B1G. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have more wins against Illinois, UCLA, Nebraska, Iowa, etc.

There’s a huge reason why we don’t have more wins against Illinois, UCLA, etc. infrastructure. That’s why Illinois poached the best linemen out of Nj last year, Kai Pritchard, while we had to settle for a 3 star from down south. It’s also why Rutgers is unable to recruit our share of Jerseys best. The best Jersey kids think they will get better experiences elsewhere. So no more Anthony Davis, Savon Huggins, and Darius Hamilton caliber recruits for Rutgers. They’re going to the Ohio States, Michigans, Georgias, Texas, Texas A&M etc. in other words, programs with money.
 

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The only reason we have to accept mediocrity is because we aren’t motivated enough to support success.

Um no. Maybe you have to win first to attract higher rollers but the collection of every day Joes on here is not making a difference for RU football. People give what they can afford. It has nothing to do with motivation.
 

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The only reason we have to accept mediocrity is because we aren’t motivated enough to support success.
I donated more than I ever have to Rutgers this year. Yet my enthusiasm is at an all time low. Posts like yours just makes me want to give up my season tickets and donation. Our main issue is coaching. Better players will be here if we have that. I have no interest in buying a team of kids that have no desire to get an education.
 
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I donated more than I ever have to Rutgers this year. Yet my enthusiasm is at an all time low. Posts like yours just makes me want to give up my season tickets and donation. Our main issue is coaching. Better players will be here if we have that. I have no interest in buying a team of kids that have no desire to get an education.

Same exact culture and caliber of coaching almost won a Championship at Miami. The biggest difference is the quality of players we are able to recruit. The kids are getting a great education.

Greg Schiano is the best coach Rutgers is capable of landing. The infrastructure and NIL support is inadequate to compete for the best coaches. Rutgers Coaches have to work harder
For lower levels of achievement. This is what makes the job unappealing. I would expect the next coach to. Be someone like Gary Redus, young and full of vigor to recruit. Kind of like Greg Schiano, just out of the University of Miami.

Thx for your support.
 
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Um no. Maybe you have to win first to attract higher rollers but the collection of every day Joes on here is not making a difference for RU football. People give what they can afford. It has nothing to do with motivation.

The Rutgers high rollers haven’t be motivated to make Rutgers Champions. Steven Ross supports Michigan. Les Wexner supports Ohio State. Terry Pegula supports Penn State. We don’t have anyone on that level. What we do have a significant number of people pulling down 6 figures and having millions in the bank. The type that have invested significantly in AAPL, MSFT, GOOG, and grown their wealth significantly. They just haven’t been motivated enough to share their largesse with Rutgers. These are the people that have to step up. Not counting on Joe Blue Collar or Tim Teacher who is struggling to make ends meet.

We have grown our NIL significantly, just not enough to be competitive with our Big Ten peers, so progress is being made, but more must be done. Zinn is doing a terrific job. Basketball seems to be competitive now. People stepped up for basketball. This shows the support was always there. Need similarly competitive support for football.
 
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People repeated the same nonsense for basketball:

- There’s no money
- There’s no money
- Theres no money

All of a sudden, there’s money, and we’re back in business. And got the competitive players to show for it, most notably, a P4 Center, which I previously thought would take an Act of God.

That’s what’s needed for this level, the talent.

The outlook for basketball is so much brighter thx to the people that stepped up. At the very least, we should be squarely on the bubble, though I have dreams of dancing.

The ship has sailed for football for ‘26. But ‘27 can be so much better if the NIL support is there. January ‘27 will be here soon and we have to be ready.
 

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People repeated the same nonsense for basketball:

- There’s no money
- There’s no money
- Theres no money

All of a sudden, there’s money, and we’re back in business. And got the competitive players to show for it, most notably, a P4 Center, which I previously thought would take an Act of God.

That’s what’s needed for this level, the talent.

The outlook for basketball is so much brighter thx to the people that stepped up. At the very least, we should be squarely on the bubble, though I have dreams of dancing.

The ship has sailed for football for ‘26. But ‘27 can be so much better if the NIL support is there. January ‘27 will be here soon and we have to be ready.

 

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It was coaching that got us close.

Just because we came close to having better seasons, doesn’t mean talent wasn’t a factor in our losses. Two years ago, Wesley Bailey and Aaron Lewis were injured, as were Toure and Powell. Put them at 100%, and we easily beat Illinois and UCLA. The biggest issue was that we had no one behind them. And our rookie safety struggled mightily. USC in particular KILLED us on crossing routes. Makai Lemon who will soon be drafted, seemed to catch 100 balls for 1000 yards when we played them.

The biggest problem with this roster is we have effort kids but not enough elite kids. You need elite kids to compete in the Big Ten. We have one- Korey Duff. We are especially weak at defensive end and offensive tackle.
In every loss that I listed, sub par coaching was the dominant factor. RU was not less talented than any of those teams. Indiana's roster is full of "effort kids." Why did their effort kids produce an undefeated championship season while RU's effort kids couldn't even get to .500? Coaching. Makai Lemon killed RU in that game because USC has a coach that actually understands offense and RU's coaches had no clue how to defend what he was doing. We easily beat Illinois if Greg doesn't ice the kicker and the "effort kids" tackle We easily beat UCLA if the coaches figure out how to cover RBs catching passes out of the backfield and the "effort kids" don't turn a below average QB into Michael Vick. Even with all the injuries, RU still had more talent than UCLA.
 
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There’s a huge reason why we don’t have more wins against Illinois, UCLA, etc. infrastructure. That’s why Illinois poached the best linemen out of Nj last year, Kai Pritchard, while we had to settle for a 3 star from down south. It’s also why Rutgers is unable to recruit our share of Jerseys best. The best Jersey kids think they will get better experiences elsewhere. So no more Anthony Davis, Savon Huggins, and Darius Hamilton caliber recruits for Rutgers. They’re going to the Ohio States, Michigans, Georgias, Texas, Texas A&M etc. in other words, programs with money.
Yes, my mistake. It was the future recruitment of Kai Pritchard that helped Illinois beat us two years ago. Not the boneheaded coaching decisions with under a minute left of a game we were winning. Thank you for correcting me
 

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People repeated the same nonsense for basketball:

- There’s no money
- There’s no money
- Theres no money

All of a sudden, there’s money, and we’re back in business. And got the competitive players to show for it, most notably, a P4 Center, which I previously thought would take an Act of God.

That’s what’s needed for this level, the talent.

The outlook for basketball is so much brighter thx to the people that stepped up. At the very least, we should be squarely on the bubble, though I have dreams of dancing.

The ship has sailed for football for ‘26. But ‘27 can be so much better if the NIL support is there. January ‘27 will be here soon and we have to be ready.
I'll wait and see on basketball.
 
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Yes, my mistake. It was the future recruitment of Kai Pritchard that helped Illinois beat us two years ago. Not the boneheaded coaching decisions with under a minute left of a game we were winning. Thank you for correcting me

Schiano screwed up two years ago. There’s no doubt about it. But you also have to recognize that the lack of quality depth also contributed to the loss. The fact that we somehow made a bowl game also is a testament to Coach Schiano and Coach H, which is why we had a strong November, if you recall, going 3-1.
 
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I thought all we needed was a practice facility Al? Maybe just focus on being a Miami fan then.

Schiano said a fieldhouse and more NIL was needed.

Rutgers basketball fans stepped up. This shows it can be done.

There’s no reason the same can’t happen on the football side, which admittedly is a heavier lift, because the Big Ten is a football conference.

This season is probably going to be mediocre to a trainwreck because there wasn’t enough support. This disappoints me greatly because it didn’t have to be this way.

2027 can be a lot better if people step up.
 
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In every loss that I listed, sub par coaching was the dominant factor. RU was not less talented than any of those teams. Indiana's roster is full of "effort kids." Why did their effort kids produce an undefeated championship season while RU's effort kids couldn't even get to .500? Coaching. Makai Lemon killed RU in that game because USC has a coach that actually understands offense and RU's coaches had no clue how to defend what he was doing. We easily beat Illinois if Greg doesn't ice the kicker and the "effort kids" tackle We easily beat UCLA if the coaches figure out how to cover RBs catching passes out of the backfield and the "effort kids" don't turn a below average QB into Michael Vick. Even with all the injuries, RU still had more talent than UCLA.

The #1 pick in the draft is an effort kid? Come on! Sure Indiana has a ton of effort kids. But no one can deny they had star power, like the CB as well, and terrific coaching.

If Lewis, Baily, Toure and Powell don’t get injured, we easily beat Illinois and UCLA. Their loss exposed our lack of quality depths. We still haven’t replaced the productivity of those players.

It’s also why we couldn’t cover the shallow cross to save our lives vs USC. They really exposed our lack of speed and athleticism in the back 7.

USC will come to town in September, and it will likely be a rerun. Not enough speed and athleticism on defense. Ineffective pass rush. Two years onwards, nothing has changed on defense, except the coaches.
 

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I work for a corporate sponsor that has zero desire to invest in Rutgers Athletics because the potential ROI is not enough. It is easier for corporate sponsors to support successful programs. Though there are exceptions like Nike, Corporate Sponsors generally don’t support transforming losers into winners because it’s too big a risk. They’re happy to sign on to established programs, like Hondas support of Ohio State and Fords support of Texas
Al isn’t doing enough. Instead of incessantly making repetitive posts here and bizarre songs to recruits, he should be fundraising and working harder so he can donate more.

He’s the problem.
 

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There’s a huge reason why we don’t have more wins against Illinois, UCLA, etc. infrastructure. That’s why Illinois poached the best linemen out of Nj last year, Kai Pritchard, while we had to settle for a 3 star from down south. It’s also why Rutgers is unable to recruit our share of Jerseys best. The best Jersey kids think they will get better experiences elsewhere. So no more Anthony Davis, Savon Huggins, and Darius Hamilton caliber recruits for Rutgers. They’re going to the Ohio States, Michigans, Georgias, Texas, Texas A&M etc. in other words, programs with money.
King of buzzwords that mean nothing. “Infrastructure”. He can’t even define it. It’s especially stupid considering the massive staff that Rutgers has allowed Schiano to amass.
 

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The #1 pick in the draft is an effort kid? Come on! Sure Indiana has a ton of effort kids. But no one can deny they had star power, like the CB as well, and terrific coaching.

If Lewis, Baily, Toure and Powell don’t get injured, we easily beat Illinois and UCLA. Their loss exposed our lack of quality depths. We still haven’t replaced the productivity of those players.

It’s also why we couldn’t cover the shallow cross to save our lives vs USC. They really exposed our lack of speed and athleticism in the back 7.

USC will come to town in September, and it will likely be a rerun. Not enough speed and athleticism on defense. Ineffective pass rush. Two years onwards, nothing has changed on defense, except the coaches.
The #1 pick in the draft was recruited by Cal and Yale. Miami (his hometown team) didn't even want him as a walk on. He became a star at Indiana. Most of Indiana's better players were not heavily recruited. They became stars there. The star power on that team was cultivated by coaching. RU should have beaten UCLA and Illinois even with the injuries. That wasn't why they lost those games.
 

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Al isn’t doing enough. Instead of incessantly making repetitive posts here and bizarre songs to recruits, he should be fundraising and working harder so he can donate more.

He’s the problem.
It’s actually kind of funny. If Al’s theory is that donations need to increase, he’s sure going about it the wrong way. Lecturing and berating may be the worst fundraising strategy I’ve ever seen.
 
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King of buzzwords that mean nothing. “Infrastructure”. He can’t even define it. It’s especially stupid considering the massive staff that Rutgers has allowed Schiano to amass.

You’re a waste of oxygen on this messageboard.
Don’t think I’ve forgotten about your. “Mario Cristobal is going to be Fired” Prediction. Instead, he’s close to the top of the world.

Infrastructure is the needed football fieldhouse, like what Schiano had written into his contract, which Rutgers still hadn’t delivered on. It was the first thing Schiano said he needed.

This is why our recruiting stinks and Rutgers situation looks like amateur hour to the best recruits, especially compared to a place like Michigan.

Thus, We have a massive staff because more effort is required to recruit the 2 and 3 stars from FL, NC, and GA. The best Jersey kids just don’t want to come here anymore. Kids don’t just fall out of a tree. Lots of time and effort went into identifying Antwan Raymond, from Canada, for instance.
 
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Who says we can't say we want to win? The Giants aren't asking me to chip in for players salaries. 99% of the people on this board are not going to make a difference in our recruiting by their donations. Most of us were fans long before you and didn't sign up to paying players salaries when we became fans.

I have no interest in giving my hard earned money to some random 19 year old to play football for a year. I'd rather give it to my kids or some of my preferred charities.
This 100%^^^^ . NIL has sucked the blood out of pure college sports. I'll go , tailgating, meet up with friends and hope for a minor bowl game every now and then. That's the sad reality of the college football landscape. Who actually thought this would make major bowls more assessable across all D1 schools?
 

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I donated more than I ever have to Rutgers this year. Yet my enthusiasm is at an all time low. Posts like yours just makes me want to give up my season tickets and donation. Our main issue is coaching. Better players will be here if we have that. I have no interest in buying a team of kids that have no desire to get an education.
This constant trolling by Al has driven many people off this Board and has resulted in fewer donations to Rutgers Football.
 

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It’s actually kind of funny. If Al’s theory is that donations need to increase, he’s sure going about it the wrong way. Lecturing and berating may be the worst fundraising strategy I’ve ever seen.

My late father's life's work was as a consultant to colleges/universities and medical centers when they launched major fund raising campaigns. He'd have these posts under "What not to do"
 
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In every loss that I listed, sub par coaching was the dominant factor. RU was not less talented than any of those teams. Indiana's roster is full of "effort kids." Why did their effort kids produce an undefeated championship season while RU's effort kids couldn't even get to .500? Coaching. Makai Lemon killed RU in that game because USC has a coach that actually understands offense and RU's coaches had no clue how to defend what he was doing. We easily beat Illinois if Greg doesn't ice the kicker and the "effort kids" tackle We easily beat UCLA if the coaches figure out how to cover RBs catching passes out of the backfield and the "effort kids" don't turn a below average QB into Michael Vick. Even with all the injuries, RU still had more talent than UCLA.

Not true. The DL has played most of the last two seasons on roller skates. Hard to have a good defense when your linemen are getting blown off the ball. Oregon made us look like a pop warner team last year.



Once our depth was depleted it was open season on this defense. You can’t adequately defend when your backups are slow to react, lack lateral speed, take bad angles, and are unable to shed blocks. Furthermore our safety really struggled. Two years later, and we still haven’t fixed many of the issues, though the talent in the pipeline is better, so there is some hope. We’re going to be counting on redshirts to acclimate real fast, but I’m not sure they’re ready. USC will be here soon enough. They are going to run train on this defense, and then Indiana and Michigan will likely do the same. That’s not coaching, that’s talent. When you have better players, you usually win.
 
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This 100%^^^^ . NIL has sucked the blood out of pure college sports. I'll go , tailgating, meet up with friends and hope for a minor bowl game every now and then. That's the sad reality of the college football landscape. Who actually thought this would make major bowls more assessable across all D1 schools?

Who ever said this "would make major bowls more accessible across all D1 schools"?
That was never mentioned.

It makes the POSSIBILITY of a major bowl more accessible across all D1 schools.

5 years ago there was zero chance Temple could ever get elite recruits (HS or transfers) and make a major bowls.

Now there is the POSSIBILITY of them getting a major donor and funding the team to making a major bowls.
If Temple offered Duff $5m - I'm sure he'd be gone.
It was literally against the rules before.
Now it's at least a possibility.

Is that possibility still small for most teams? Including Rutgers?
Yes.
But it's a better possibility than it was 5 years ago.

5 years ago a more prestigious SEC team could have lured Duff away (with under the table money).
Now, we are able to offer enough money to be competitive (or offer the most) and keep him. Regardless of how prestigious the competition was.
 

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You’re a waste of oxygen on this messageboard.
Don’t think I’ve forgotten about your. “Mario Cristobal is going to be Fired” Prediction. Instead, he’s close to the top of the world.

Infrastructure is the needed football fieldhouse, like what Schiano had written into his contract, which Rutgers still hadn’t delivered on. It was the first thing Schiano said he needed.

This is why our recruiting stinks and Rutgers situation looks like amateur hour to the best recruits, especially compared to a place like Michigan.

Thus, We have a massive staff because more effort is required to recruit the 2 and 3 stars from FL, NC, and GA. The best Jersey kids just don’t want to come here anymore. Kids don’t just fall out of a tree. Lots of time and effort went into identifying Antwan Raymond, from Canada, for instance.
Indiana had half the staff and a roster full of 2 and 3 stars. They were undefeated and won a championship, beating teams with rosters full of 4 and 5 star players, in some cases rather convincingly. What was the difference? #coaching matters.
 
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Indiana had half the staff and a roster full of 2 and 3 stars. They were undefeated and won a championship, beating teams with rosters full of 4 and 5 star players, in some cases rather convincingly. What was the difference? #coaching matters.

What you’re missing is that the coaching got the most out of the talent onhand. Cignetti would never even consider the Rutgers job because there isn’t enough support for success. Indiana spent big money to get to where they’re at:

- $86M in new facilities
- $30M - $40M in players salaries

No other team had the #1 pick in the draft, who was also the Heisman winner, so he was arguably the best college football player. Mendoza helped Indiana transcend its mediocre past, and was a difference maker. Mendoza didn’t come cheap. Indiana spent $2.6M on him.

Indiana doesn’t win a National Championship without Mendoza. They spent a ton of money on players, mostly experienced transfers, ready to play their best football, who could outperform the 4 and 5 star players from other teams. They did an exceptional job of talent identification. Rutgers can’t replicate Indianas strategy because we don’t have the NIL funds.

We raise $100M for a Fieldhouse, Rutgers bonds an additional $200M, and receives at least $20M/year in additional NIL support, and we will blow Ohio State, Michigan, and USC into the god-damn weeds. We have by far the best location, but can’t leverage it due to the holes in our value proposition. This is why the best recruits especially from Jersey don’t take us seriously.