Good read.
The program’s social media should be blaring out some of these quotes.
The program’s social media should be blaring out some of these quotes.
Carino on Trey Parker
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Jerry pushed hard for this story. No one covers the Pirates as he does and it's not even close. Imagine where this program would be without the media coverage of Jerry Carino!!!!
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It is a very nice story. But I'm curious why Jerrry had to "push[] hard" for it. It's essentially a puff piece. (Not complaining about that--I like the coverage.) Why wouldn't Sha and the school be fully on board with promoting that?
It is a very nice story. But I'm curious why Jerrry had to "push[] hard" for it. It's essentially a puff piece. (Not complaining about that--I like the coverage.) Why wouldn't Sha and the school be fully on board with promoting that?
I spoke to Jerry a couple of days ago. He told me it would have looked terrible if the Pirates lost their entire team.
Bad enough year in and year out we are simply a farm system for the rest of college basketball. Parker doesn't move the needle like Hines or Clark would have. But imagine the egg on our face if even he decided to leave.
We HAVE to help out the school we root for. If not then really should the haters complain as they do? It's a different era and if fans don't want to donate that's their prerogative. But then their criticism falls on deaf ears as far as I am concerned.
Bad enough year in and year out we are simply a farm system for the rest of college basketball. Parker doesn't move the needle like Hines or Clark would have. But imagine the egg on our face if even he decided to leave.
We HAVE to help out the school we root for. If not then really should the haters complain as they do? It's a different era and if fans don't want to donate that's their prerogative. But then their criticism falls on deaf ears as far as I am concerned.
My criticism is focused on the system and college basketball in general. I’m not sure what the school strategy is on dealing with this insanity, but right now for a school like Seton Hall I don’t see the ROI in throwing excessive amounts of money at these kids.
Great article, made me feel even better about dedicating my donation in the name of Trey Parker 
Your choice, of course. But then the criticism faced by Holloway and the program holds little water. You CANNOT win in this envirionment without financial support. It's that simple.
I really don't feel like you do that if he left we would have egg on our faces. I think it kind of happened already with the fact he was the only one left.
#1 I think we are low in funds and Sha has a hard job
#2 I am still not convinced that SHU maxes out the rev share number on their end compared to other schools…I know you disagree but outsiders I have talked to within cbb don’t think we do..so at best that’s a bad perception
#3 we still have other issues that aren’t totally dollars and cents
#4 I think most numbers are very inflated…check out Coach Cig the other day.. “we spent closer to 15m than we did 40m”..he could be lying but that would throw a wrench into the numbers dynamics of what we are lead to believe in terms of nil
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Let's be realistic. Keeping only one player is not a good look either.
Again, tons of complaints, but if we give, and I hope all you that are criticizing are, then this wouldn't be a common occurrence every single year.
The problem we have here is giving has to come with meaning. Right now we give bc we love SHU. The school is absolutely terrible at making the giving feel like it’s worthwhile. We can’t even invest in player retention of guys we make into stars that resonate with fans.
Jerry has to fight for material that connects the team to the people they want to donate. It’s *** backwards there. Too many institutionalized people.
Jerry has to fight for material that connects the team to the people they want to donate. It’s *** backwards there. Too many institutionalized people.
He’s got talent, needs to have a big offseason. But in this era I appreciate his comments and commitment. If he can be one of the guys that helps build the team bonding and work ethic, translate Sha’s tough love, great. We need that bc we don’t have stars you can just roll the balls out for.
I am glad to hear/read that is wasn't a reluctant returnee...ie.,no other real offers, better than nothing, etc., but to have him proactively be so upbeat, positive and....driven to succeed....is what we need to hear!
Good for him, and definitely makes me root for him to succeed!
We want players who want Seton Hall!
I’m not criticizing Sha for his coaching or having to navigate the current cesspool. He’s got a strategy based on the budget. The plan may not work, but he’s got conviction that it is. His engagement and communication skills need work, but he is what he is.
If he had $15 million this year my guess would be we would be in the top 3-4 of the BE, with a good shot at MM.
With that said, the environment is stupid IMO, and if it was my $15 million, I wouldn’t spend it.
Silas Demary and Braylon Mullins. You've been put on notice.
Its a day before Penn Relays APP has a 4-6 page sports section on weekdays maybe 3/4 of it is AP and syndicated copy....I doubt he had to push so hard
Let's be realistic, again. The more we give the more the other schools, already way ahead of us, will also receive. If the motivation tactic is to shame people to give more money than that is a poor strategy. That's also why I am so critical of our athletic administration. There are other corporate sponsors out there besides RWJ Barnabas. I have no problem giving more each year and I am blessed to be able to do so, but, year after year, when you see your best players leaving, it does make you think twice about it.
Carino should also be getting paid as Seton Hall's PR agency. Nobody else does much if anything at all.
So you put this squarely on the fans, as opposed to a coach who gets paid millions annually but seems to have an awful hard time getting kids to want to return to play for “his type of program/culture”?
Our giving rate is a huge problem. One of the few things we can do to help is to give what we can.
I saw a jerry article in the hard copy app this morning not shu hoops though my high school Alma mater sending 2 elites to penn relays...I am sure Parker will be in fri or sat edition
Giving and giving rate to the school is one thing. Giving ridiculous sums to MBB is another.
Yea Jerry the Hairdo should get a taste.
I asked him who he was, he high-handed me...I thought he was a civilian
I get it. And I know all Dan is trying to do is gin up interest and support for a school and program he loves. All good. I just don't put the player retention issue squarely on the fans/donors. Every year there is going to be portal competition for most players on a high major D-1 squad. Moreso with the best players. I can't just be on the fans to pony up additional $$ to keep a kid. There has to be some perceived value by a player, advisor, parent, etc that staying put is the best option long term.
I cant change our rotation, how players feel. I cant improve their shooting percentage. But I care about shu hoops. If Sha is too tough (i think he us, and thought the same of PJ), i wish he wound change. But I cant effect that change. So I want to do the little I can do. So I go to games, cheer loudly and give what I can.
I wouldn't call this a Carino fluff piece so much,.... it was more of a Trey Parker getting to know you, coming out party. Loved what he had to say and how he said it. His enthusiasm is off the charts. NOt sure how classes came up in the article ... but it was refreshing to see him talk about his academics and how important a degree was to him. Gasp!!!!!! He LIKES the environment and culture. He gets my way too early pre-season vote for favorite player award. Regardless... sounds like a guy easy to root for.
My guess is that Jerry has quite a bit of autonomy to Write whatever articles he wants to given that APP is pretty much all Digital and his ability to link these to X and other Social Media outlets gives Gannant or whoever owns them these days what they need in terms of hits.
I wonder If Parker is good enough to start. Look like he knows Jones and for me considering Jons is around average height for a PG compared to Clark, it makes it easier to start Parker as a smaller two.
Like I said, I think Parker shows great energy and hustle any team that wants to win wants and I think he has great first step and good on-ball defense.
I do think he has had bad moments and stretches and I do think he isn't great on-ball defender, but I hope Shaheen and staff and develop him like with others in years past.
Looking objectively, fact only Parker came back. I thought Fisher and Rivera were graduating but I see they even entered the portal.
I do feel large part is just NIL, but I hope it doesn't speak on the culture and Sha's coaching can be a legitimate factor in some of these players leaving.
Like I said, I think Parker shows great energy and hustle any team that wants to win wants and I think he has great first step and good on-ball defense.
I do think he has had bad moments and stretches and I do think he isn't great on-ball defender, but I hope Shaheen and staff and develop him like with others in years past.
Looking objectively, fact only Parker came back. I thought Fisher and Rivera were graduating but I see they even entered the portal.
I do feel large part is just NIL, but I hope it doesn't speak on the culture and Sha's coaching can be a legitimate factor in some of these players leaving.
Parker has physical talent, but he really needs to improve his ball handling, decision making and shooting pct. if you want him to start.
Finally we can see if another guy under Sha develops in Year 2. We certainly saw that growth with his St Peter's players, Richmond, Davis and Dawes. Looking forward to seeing growth from Parker. And it would be great to see if we got a 3rd year out of him.
He is really athletic, plays great D, capable of hitting tough shots and is good FT shooter. I am glad to have him back.
He is really athletic, plays great D, capable of hitting tough shots and is good FT shooter. I am glad to have him back.
One area where Parker really helped was when we were making those furious comebacks in the second half after being down by 10 or more points. His D was huge and he got away for some easy layups too. Gotta clean up the turnovers and improve his handle and shooting ability. He has potential and BE athleticism. Hoping his words ring true and respect him for staying.
Get to the second weekend in the NCAA once or twice and the ROI will be there, as well as the longer-term effect of creating student and alumni engagement. See 1988, 1989. Seton Hall became a far different school after those years.