The students knew this pasts years team wasn’t good? I hope you’re kidding.
So far great backcourt .....
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I agree Clark was our best player last year. Certainly our most valuable. But Hines is absolutely in the discussion for number 2.
Everyone can at least shoot well enough to keep defenses from sagging. Last year Clark did not fit that description.
Nobody showed up. When's the last time you saw the student section so empty? Win or lose it was bad basketball.
I don’t mean this to be offensive but I’m so sick of hearing money all ha
That is NOT what moneyball was
Absolutely. And Sha was coaching guys like Whitehead, Carrington, Powell, and Delgado here. He knows what he’s looking at and knows talent. I’m sure he’d be the first person to have wanted Richmond, Davis, Clark, and Hines back.
His philosophy of coaching and roster building doesn’t lend itself to getting stars in this era with our budget. He’s not going to leverage the budget to do it, and we can debate that on merit. I think we have issues on personnel that the new GM is chartered to fix too.
But Sha is going to collect average players with upside to have a deep team and hope they get better and come together via defensive, physical ball. That’s the design here. It bombed with the gambles in 2024 on a $2M budget. It got better and had us in the hunt in 2025 with a $6M budget.
You are definitely right with those examples. I could be crazy but think Sha is old school and would have a hard time paying a player that kind of money even if we had it. I guess if you just gave him the players to coach and never told them how much they were receiving in compensation, but personally think he likes the kids with a chip on their shoulder making less money. More about basketball than money kids, I do think you are right, there are plenty of players who get the money and still play their hearts out. Does less money equal more motivation, I think that's open for debate.
Charles Schwab over here
I’m kind of being a jerk I’m sorryYeah, the A’s at least had multiple years of player control.
Moneyball was centered around finding value in places that traditional mlb undervalued
We are just cheap lol
Moneyball is a sham. That movie just ignored the fact that the A’s had a trio or pitchers at the top of the league in Zito, Mulder and Hudson. Wonder how they did so well?Yeah, the A’s at least had multiple years of player control.
Tejada was MVP...Zito was in 3rd year making 295k
A's had their big 3 starters and closer billy Koch combined at under 4.5 million that season
Chavez hatteberg and tejada combined for under 7.5 million
Somebody's gotta keep the fans coming back, and it's not gonna be your mooshata raviolis lately!!!!
#1 moneyball the movie is not the same as the book
#2 moneyball was and is not exclusive to the As
#3 the movie did suck
#4 moneyball for better or worse is way more widely used than you’re giving it credit for
The real story is that the A’s drafted very well in the late 90’s Giambi , Tejada, Zito, Mulder and Hudson.
btw, Analytics is the reason the Yankees haven’t won a World Series. It’s great tool to use to win over a long season. Not very good to win a championship.
Never. Don’t stop believing
Flip side is that Stick Michael was valuing “moneyball type” principles before it was called that when helping to rebuild the Yanks into the mid-late 90s forward powerhouse.
All seriousness, at is core, “moneyball” is about finding undervalued assets/players, however and wherever they lie. “Undervalued” for different reasons from how most of an industry looks at the same asset/player.
ASM did come from Miami too. Although he struggled compared to his mid major time.
I view guys as coming from their most recent body or work or where they had the success we were recruiting them based on. Therefore Fischer to me is a guy from Pacifc and not DePaul. Just like Jones is from Radford and not Clemson.
Very astute
My dad was a mlb scout for 30 years
This is accurate
The problem with today’s game isnt analytics alone..this comes from a guy who’s dad was retired because of the “new game”
Jason was a Yankee this season and thus the premise for the movie how to replace Jason getting on base from the season before. Jason was a 2nd round pick in 92. Jeremy rip was originally drafted by KC then traded in late 90s. Tejada committed to a fraudulent year of birth when he was actually older by 2 years and signed as an international free agent via Juan Marichal in 1993 for 2,000 USD.
I am not referring to just that year. I am referring to the A’s organization as a whole. The A’s during the 90’s drafted very well. Tejada was scouted and signed by the A’s. Oh yes and Chavez came from the A’s farm system. They obviously had a great scouting department to produce so many players from their farm system. 6 All Stars I would say that’s excellent. I am pretty sure that’s what made the A’s a playoff team not Scott Hatteberg.
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with the thread being about a great backcourt you didn’t go with some people are so far behind in the race that they actually think they’re leading.
2002 season only was Chavez only silver slugger award...yes 10th overall pick in 96 and passed on USC baseball.
2002 season Hatteberg had the third best war on the roster among position players and in that season only 2 all-stars which would go on to win al mvp and al cy young
Lost in the minutia
Fair enough on your analysis. So, we had the same number of players coming from P5 schools on this year's team (ASM and Elijah trade places) and 1 less P5 player coming in so far.
I also missed Suemnick coming in from P5 schools but he never suited up. And I know he was one of higher paid players on our roster coming in.