What percentage of coaches would do what Kiffin did?

[Rsbrsb1010]

Thought I heard on the radio today.

Assuming that ____ coach had no affiliation with LSU or Louisiana (never coached there, was not an alum, not from Louisiana).

What percentage of coaches would leave an 11-1 Ole Miss ranked 6th before the playoffs to go to a 7-6 LSU?

 

[aTotal360]

Every coach on Earth minus Fatt Matt.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

Every coach on Earth minus Fatt Matt.

You might be tempted to say “oh everyone would do it” because of our hatred of Ole Miss. but take a step back and think about it for a second. My opinion is that only perhaps 3-5 coaches in the entire country just based on personality/principle would have done what he did.

DeBoer came out and said he couldn’t leave playoff team when speaking to Pate about Michigan interest. Cignetti—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have left. Elko—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have done it. Dan Lanning wouldn’t have left. I don’t think Cristobal would have left. I don’t think Texas Tech’s coach would have left.

I really do think that leaving a team with a shot at a national championship is antithetical to the coaching profession, and most coaches think that. Lane already had a reputation for terrible exits/being a snake before this. If you take a step back and think about it, I think there are only a handful of coaches that would have done what he did.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I didn't think he'd go, and I think he made a mistake. He's a better fit at Ole Miss than LSU. I always thought Florida or Texas would be the realistic landing spots, with Florida being the perfect one. So......Loaferz also made (another) mistake by not hiring him at Florida.

Now, on the other hand, in the past, I'd agree about having at least some tie to LSU. But they've become a pretty big brand lately, helped by Livvy Dunne and others. And remember Saban went there with no tie, but Saban also 'fit' the LSU profile as far as the players they have access to and what they need to be.

Of course we are in a different era now, I'm not sure how many of the old school principles, that we all thought and accepted about college sports, still apply.

 

[RivaDawg]

You might be tempted to say “oh everyone would do it” because of our hatred of Ole Miss. but take a step back and think about it for a second. My opinion is that only perhaps 3-5 coaches in the entire country just based on personality/principle would have done what he did.

DeBoer came out and said he couldn’t leave playoff team when speaking to Pate about Michigan interest. Cignetti—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have left. Elko—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have done it. Dan Lanning wouldn’t have left. I don’t think Cristobal would have left. I don’t think Texas Tech’s coach would have left.

I really do think that leaving a team with a shot at a national championship is antithetical to the coaching profession, and most coaches think that. Lane already had a reputation for terrible exits/being a snake before this. If you take a step back and think about it, I think there are only a handful of coaches that would have done what he did.

I think if those coaches were at Ole Miss, they would leave for LSU.

 

[Walkthedawg]

You might be tempted to say “oh everyone would do it” because of our hatred of Ole Miss. but take a step back and think about it for a second. My opinion is that only perhaps 3-5 coaches in the entire country just based on personality/principle would have done what he did.

Leave a team he built from scratch, after coming from another team he had playing as good as ever before, and then going to a program with vastly more resources, more national recognition, more support, traditionally much more success, and boosters with deeper pockets? Oh that's waaaaay more than 3-5. You fail to take into the account of the coach ego factor.

 

[Drebin]

Thought I heard on the radio today.

Assuming that ____ coach had no affiliation with LSU or Louisiana (never coached there, was not an alum, not from Louisiana).

What percentage of coaches would leave an 11-1 Ole Miss ranked 6th before the playoffs to go to a 7-6 LSU?

Every single coach in the history of coaching.

 

[Drebin]

You might be tempted to say “oh everyone would do it” because of our hatred of Ole Miss. but take a step back and think about it for a second. My opinion is that only perhaps 3-5 coaches in the entire country just based on personality/principle would have done what he did.

DeBoer came out and said he couldn’t leave playoff team when speaking to Pate about Michigan interest. Cignetti—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have left. Elko—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have done it. Dan Lanning wouldn’t have left. I don’t think Cristobal would have left. I don’t think Texas Tech’s coach would have left.

I really do think that leaving a team with a shot at a national championship is antithetical to the coaching profession, and most coaches think that. Lane already had a reputation for terrible exits/being a snake before this. If you take a step back and think about it, I think there are only a handful of coaches that would have done what he did.

There is one fly in the ointment - all those other coaches you mention weren't at Ole Miss.

Kiffin knew that what he had there wasn't sustainable and the rent was about to come due. All you reb fans think Ole Miss is at that level. They are not. They caught a couple of years of lightning in a bottle and at a place like Ole Miss, it has a short shelf life.

So I say aGAIN, any coach in America would've bolted Ole Miss for LSU.

 

[The Peeper]

"What percentage of coaches would do what Kiffin did?"

My first thought seeing this was "he's done some pretty shi-tty things in his career, so not many" I didn't realize you were talking about just changing schools

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

There is one fly in the ointment - all those other coaches you mention weren't at Ole Miss.

Kiffin knew that what he had there wasn't sustainable and the rent was about to come due. All you reb fans think Ole Miss is at that level. They are not. They caught a couple of years of lightning in a bottle and at a place like Ole Miss, it has a short shelf life.

So I say aGAIN, any coach in America would've bolted Ole Miss for LSU.

This is really more of a principles question than an Ole Miss/LSU debate. But I can only using Kiffin as an example because he’s the only person to ever leave a P4 playoff team before the playoffs in the history of the sport lol.

This might be a better way to ask it. I’m looking at the lower half of the preseason rankings to find a school that could make a surprise run but aren’t a blue blood. Let’s say BYU, Washington, TCU, SMU, Arizona. Then let’s say either Alabama or Texas comes open because they flame out and are missing the playoffs (could actually happen).

Of those 5 teams, if they were 11-1 and a lock to host a home playoff game ranked 6th, how many of those coaches would leave before the playoff to go to Texas or Alabama?

 

[Shmuley]

What percentage of coaches are on the spectrum?

 

[aTotal360]

You might be tempted to say “oh everyone would do it” because of our hatred of Ole Miss. but take a step back and think about it for a second. My opinion is that only perhaps 3-5 coaches in the entire country just based on personality/principle would have done what he did.

DeBoer came out and said he couldn’t leave playoff team when speaking to Pate about Michigan interest. Cignetti—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have left. Elko—signed extension before playoffs, he wouldn’t have done it. Dan Lanning wouldn’t have left. I don’t think Cristobal would have left. I don’t think Texas Tech’s coach would have left.

I really do think that leaving a team with a shot at a national championship is antithetical to the coaching profession, and most coaches think that. Lane already had a reputation for terrible exits/being a snake before this. If you take a step back and think about it, I think there are only a handful of coaches that would have done what he did.

Les Miles and Ogeron won national championships at LSU. Let that sink in.

As long as you can navigate the culture down there, you will win.

Every kid south of Jackson to the Biloxi, from Houston to Panama City wants to play for LSU.

 

[patdog]

Every one of them. None of them would have done it quite the way he did though and continue to troll UMiss on social media months after he was gone though. As much as I don't like them, that's just especially low to do to your former school.

 

[mstateglfr]

Thought I heard on the radio today.

Assuming that ____ coach had no affiliation with LSU or Louisiana (never coached there, was not an alum, not from Louisiana).

What percentage of coaches would leave an 11-1 Ole Miss ranked 6th before the playoffs to go to a 7-6 LSU?

You should include that he also increased his salary by $4mm per year with the move to LSU. That helps sweeten the pot for sure.
And you should include that he went to a school that in recent history has had significantly more success on the field and is seen as having a higher ceiling.

But instead, all you mention is the season record of each team last season.

 

[Drebin]

This is really more of a principles question than an Ole Miss/LSU debate. But I can only using Kiffin as an example because he’s the only person to ever leave a P4 playoff team before the playoffs in the history of the sport lol.

This might be a better way to ask it. I’m looking at the lower half of the preseason rankings to find a school that could make a surprise run but aren’t a blue blood. Let’s say BYU, Washington, TCU, SMU, Arizona. Then let’s say either Alabama or Texas comes open because they flame out and are missing the playoffs (could actually happen).

Of those 5 teams, if they were 11-1 and a lock to host a home playoff game ranked 6th, how many of those coaches would leave before the playoff to go to Texas or Alabama?

It depends on the situation, the commitment from the school, how happy they are, and all of that. And all of those would be variables in those other places because they aren't Ole Miss.

Nobody coaching at Ole Miss actually wants to be there. Because it's a school of self important douchebags, run by self important douchebags, with Bama expectations and a Vanderbilt trophy case.

Kiffin was the right personality because he doesn't give a shlt, he's not loyal to anything, and he's a self important douchebag himself. Which is also exactly the kind of coach who doesn't stay in one place very long.

ETA: putting Ole Miss douchebaggery plus Kiffin douchebaggery aside, are you suggesting there would be some question as to whether those coaches at BYU, TCU, SMU, Arizona, etc., would stay there and not go to Bama or Texas? 99% of the coaches out there would give their left testicle to coach Bama or Texas. If I were a betting man, I'd bet a million bucks that Cignetti would leave Indiana on the first thing smoking if the Bama job was open.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

You should include that he also increased his salary by $4mm per year with the move to LSU. That helps sweeten the pot for sure.
And you should include that he went to a school that in recent history has had significantly more success on the field and is seen as having a higher ceiling.

But instead, all you mention is the season record of each team last season.

Ole Miss matched the salary, he said it himself in the introductory press conference.

And of course that’s what I mentioned—that’s the entire crux of my question. How many coaches would leave an 11-1 playoff team ranked #6 hosting, shot at national championship to go to a historically much better school before the playoffs?

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

It depends on the situation, the commitment from the school, how happy they are, and all of that. And all of those would be variables in those other places because they aren't Ole Miss.

Nobody coaching at Ole Miss actually wants to be there. Because it's a school of self important doucebags, run by self important douchebags, with Bama expectations and a Vanderbilt trophy case.

Kiffin was the right personality because he doesn't give a shlt, he's not loyal to anything, and he's a self important douchebag himself. Which is also exactly the kind of coach who doesn't stay in one place very long.

Your last paragraph is great insight to the point of my question. How many coaches are disloyal, douchebags, etc that would do what he did?

That’s exactly my question. Based on personality and principles, how many D1 coaches are there that you think have the type of character to do that?

 

[Drebin]

Your last paragraph is great insight to the point of my question. How many coaches are disloyal, douchebags, etc that would do what he did?

That’s exactly my question. Based on personality and principles, how many D1 coaches are there that you think have the type of character to do that?

I edited my post to add this, so maybe that answers your question:

ETA: putting Ole Miss douchebaggery plus Kiffin douchebaggery aside, are you suggesting there would be some question as to whether those coaches at BYU, TCU, SMU, Arizona, etc., would stay there and not go to Bama or Texas? 99% of the coaches out there would give their left testicle to coach Bama or Texas. If I were a betting man, I'd bet a million bucks that Cignetti would leave Indiana on the first thing smoking if the Bama job was open.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I edited my post to add this, so maybe that answers your question:

ETA: putting Ole Miss douchebaggery plus Kiffin douchebaggery aside, are you suggesting there would be some question as to whether those coaches at BYU, TCU, SMU, Arizona, etc., would stay there and not go to Bama or Texas? 99% of the coaches out there would give their left testicle to coach Bama or Texas. If I were a betting man, I'd bet a million bucks that Cignetti would leave Indiana on the first thing smoking if the Bama job was open.

I don't think he would, at his age.

And remember, Kiffin did turn down Auburn.

 

[Drebin]

I don't think he would, at his age.

And remember, Kiffin did turn down Auburn.

Well, he didn't until he did.

And Auburn is not LSU. Hell Auburn is a dumpster fire. The context here is leaving for bigger jobs.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

I edited my post to add this, so maybe that answers your question:

ETA: putting Ole Miss douchebaggery plus Kiffin douchebaggery aside, are you suggesting there would be some question as to whether those coaches at BYU, TCU, SMU, Arizona, etc., would stay there and not go to Bama or Texas? 99% of the coaches out there would give their left testicle to coach Bama or Texas. If I were a betting man, I'd bet a million bucks that Cignetti would leave Indiana on the first thing smoking if the Bama job was open.

So—let’s say the exact same scenario. Like I said, BYU, TCU, SMU, Washington, Arizona. 11-1 and ranked #6. Texas or Bama comes open. You think 5 out of 5 of those coaches would leave before the playoff?

 

[GloryDawg]

Last season was the best chance OLe MIss ever had to win it all and could not do it. They got lucky as hell with the schedule. He will win multiple NC at LSU and make more money than any coach in history doing it. He walked away from a playoff team at a school that will probably get there once every 20 years or so to a school that could legitimately be there every year. He gave up one playoff team for a multiple payoff team. He knows he will be there again at LSU so why not hook up and leave. Every coach would have done it. He had everything to gain.

 

[Drebin]

So—let’s say the exact same scenario. Like I said, BYU, TCU, SMU, Washington, Arizona. 11-1 and ranked #6. Texas or Bama comes open. You think 5 out of 5 of those coaches would leave before the playoff?

I think 10 out of 5 do. It's Texas. There's a short list of about 10 programs that are so elite you don't say no to them when they come calling. LSU is one of those programs too.

 

[HomeBoyDawg]

What percentage of coaches are on the spectrum?

That might be a legitimate question...Kiffin, Miles, Leach (no disrespect), Belichick, Kelly, Drinkwitz...there's some "strange tickets" in this business.

 

[patdog]

This is really more of a principles question than an Ole Miss/LSU debate. But I can only using Kiffin as an example because he’s the only person to ever leave a P4 playoff team before the playoffs in the history of the sport lol.

This might be a better way to ask it. I’m looking at the lower half of the preseason rankings to find a school that could make a surprise run but aren’t a blue blood. Let’s say BYU, Washington, TCU, SMU, Arizona. Then let’s say either Alabama or Texas comes open because they flame out and are missing the playoffs (could actually happen).

Of those 5 teams, if they were 11-1 and a lock to host a home playoff game ranked 6th, how many of those coaches would leave before the playoff to go to Texas or Alabama?

With the way the portal schedule works, most all of them would. Hell, your first round opponent's coach left Tulane to go to Florida St. Only reason he left after the playoff and Kiffin before was because UMiss game him an ultimatum, and he rightly didn't let that affect his decision to leave for a better job.

 

[patdog]

Ole Miss matched the salary, he said it himself in the introductory press conference.

And of course that’s what I mentioned—that’s the entire crux of my question. How many coaches would leave an 11-1 playoff team ranked #6 hosting, shot at national championship to go to a historically much better school before the playoffs?

It was never about the salary. LSU is simply a better job with much better odds of winning a championship, even with UMiss at 11-1 going into the playoffs and LSU coming off a 7-6 season.

 

[patdog]

Well, he didn't until he did.

And Auburn is not LSU. Hell Auburn is a dumpster fire. The context here is leaving for bigger jobs.

Exactly. Auburn isn't a move up, it's a lateral move at best, and maybe a move down. LSU is a big move up.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

I think 10 out of 5 do. It's Texas. There's a short list of about 10 programs that are so elite you don't say no to them when they come calling. LSU is one of those programs too.

Fair point, even though I’m not sure I agree. But with Texas, Bama, or USC potentially coming open if they miss the playoffs (1 likely will) I really do feel like there’s going another Kiffin-esque scenario and we’ll get to find out.

If a guy like Dillingham @ AZ St, Sitake @ BYU, Lashlee @ SMU, Fisch @ Washington gets their team into the playoff, they are likely going to be one of the if not the leading candidate for those jobs. It will be interesting to see

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

It was never about the salary. LSU is simply a better job with much better odds of winning a championship, even with UMiss at 11-1 going into the playoffs and LSU coming off a 7-6 season.

I’m gonna ask you the same question I asked Drebin. Take Ole Miss and LSU out of it.

Non blue blood team but could be good this year. Say BYU, TCU, SMU, Washington, Arizona. 11-1 and ranked #6 hosting home playoff game. Texas or Bama misses the playoff, job comes open. How many of those coaches would leave before the playoff?

 

[patdog]

I’m gonna ask you the same question I asked Drebin. Take Ole Miss and LSU out of it.

Non blue blood team but could be good this year. Say BYU, TCU, SMU, Washington, Arizona. 11-1 and ranked #6 hosting home playoff game. Texas or Bama misses the playoff, job comes open. How many of those coaches would leave before the playoff?

Every damn one of them. Every one. And they're not going to think twice about it.

 

[DerHntr]

I think most of them would leave OM and the other schools you mentioned. It would not be all of them. A handful of guys would coach through the playoffs and tell those schools to wait if they truly wanted him there.

Can you imagine the difference in national opinion of Kiffin if he had said something similar to the following? “I’m focusing on this team going as far as possible. I’m not negotiating with any other school or Ole Miss for next year. Speculate as much as you want. I don’t care. This group of athletes will get their due attention.”

The man held every single card in the deck. He could have easily told OM to piss off about an extension and focused on the team. Instead, he focused on himself. I guarantee you OM would have still offered to extend his contract after the playoffs and given him a huge raise.

I’d like to see major contract penalties if a coach leaves a team before the playoffs or bowl games.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Well, he didn't until he did.

And Auburn is not LSU. Hell Auburn is a dumpster fire. The context here is leaving for bigger jobs.

Exactly. Auburn isn't a move up, it's a lateral move at best, and maybe a move down. LSU is a big move up.

Think ya'll have a little recency bias. Auburn has a bigger endowment than LSU, and in a better location. I'd bet they can match LSU's NIL. LSU has the slightly bigger stadium. Very similar historical winning percentage and results.

 

[POTUS]

Of all the people, Kiffin would have to be one of the most informed as to how maxed out OM was. It's a safe bet he knew they couldn't sustain that level much longer.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

Every damn one of them. Every one. And they're not going to think twice about it.

I’m not even disagreeing with you, but that’s kind of crazy to me. The whole point, the entire goal of coaching is to win a national championship. You’d just bloodbank, not-even-a-second thought leave your school that’s 11-1 3 games from a national championship? You think all those coaches would believe their team wasn’t good enough to win it all?

 

[Faustdog]

Every coach on Earth minus Fatt Matt.

Fat Matt would go too.

 

[L4Dawg]

Thought I heard on the radio today.

Assuming that ____ coach had no affiliation with LSU or Louisiana (never coached there, was not an alum, not from Louisiana).

What percentage of coaches would leave an 11-1 Ole Miss ranked 6th before the playoffs to go to a 7-6 LSU?

99%

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

I think most of them would leave OM and the other schools you mentioned. It would not be all of them. A handful of guys would coach through the playoffs and tell those schools to wait if they truly wanted him there.

Can you imagine the difference in national opinion of Kiffin if he had said something similar to the following? “I’m focusing on this team going as far as possible. I’m not negotiating with any other school or Ole Miss for next year. Speculate as much as you want. I don’t care. This group of athletes will get their due attention.”

The man held every single card in the deck. He could have easily told OM to piss off about an extension and focused on the team. Instead, he focused on himself. I guarantee you OM would have still offered to extend his contract after the playoffs and given him a huge raise.

I’d like to see major contract penalties if a coach leaves a team before the playoffs or bowl games.

I don’t think all of them would leave at all. It’s crazy to me that everyone on here is like “Hell yes they’d leave ____ P4 playoff team before the playoff to go to Texas or Bama”.

The whole freaking point is to win a national championship. I just don’t think every single coach would say, ”you know what we’re 11-1 and ranked 6 here, we have a shot to win the national championship. But I don’t believe enough in my team because we are historically not a blue blood. So, even though we have three games to the national championship, I’m going to 7-5 Texas or Alabama because they have great history.

 

[Rsbrsb1010]

But who knows, lol.

 

[Drebin]

Think ya'll have a little recency bias. Auburn has a bigger endowment than LSU, and in a better location. I'd bet they can match LSU's NIL. LSU has the slightly bigger stadium. Very similar historical winning percentage and results.

Auburn has toiled in mediocrity for a decade. They have bad leadership. And it's always been a toxic football job because of booster involvement. It's not an attractive job.

 

[patdog]

Auburn has toiled in mediocrity for a decade. They have bad leadership. And it's always been a toxic football job because of booster involvement. It's not an attractive job.

And their two big rivals are two of the top 10 football programs in the country. They're a clear #3 in their own home.