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Will Rutgers Move on From Schiano
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I agree and Reddus seems off to a better start but we've also got to see him as a game day coach as well.
Guys really aren’t getting it. A Graber coached team went 7-4 and didn’t even get invited to a bowl game!!!!
Do you think that would happen to any other program at that time?
Ever other school in the Big East was playing Big Time football. Not us, we were playing Bigger time football!
What a joke!!
Yes as time goes on I think Graber was a great coach! Our facilities were abysmal.
Academic support? There wasn’t any!
Fan support was great if we were an Ivy League school! Fred Grunninger our AD couldn’t find his *** with both hands!
Not to mention the stringent enrollment.
Yea name me any coach who would thrive in that environment?
At least Schiano and Mulcahy rectified all those problems. Playing catchup in the Big Ten Conference is another story.
It’s going to take time/money/and a lot more loyal fans and alums,and yes wins for us to get to the next level.
If the Grunninger era taught us anything, changing coaches isn’t always the answer.
I'll bet you that 6-6 does not get him extended. Name the wager. Will not happen.
dont' forget that at the time, only 5 schools did not have the NCAA minimum for athletes; Stanford, the academies, and Rutgers
richie is saying otherwise. I'm with you but to be honest, I don't see 6 wins on this schedule
6 wins warrants an Extension on an already laughable Contract? If so this Program has no chance to move up in the Conference. Basement club.
I still think Schiano will outlast Zinn because of this.
Lack of discipline was a bigger factor. Kids didn’t always go to class. We can start there. The first thing Schiano did when he came to Rutgers was ensure kids went to class.
Graber was flat out garbage and did not have a clue as to how to run a successful football program. His kids didn’t always go to class. An undisciplined program will never succeed. He could not sustain his recruiting, and in the end left Terry Shea nothing to work with.
it's amazing that so many people here are ok with him. I said in a thread to look at any other coach with his record, not withstanding some of his really dumb game decisions, who in the p4 would not be fired. I got a response akin to a mentally challenged adult trying to eat spaghetti. (didn't say ta$$ded since some weak individuals are triggered by the word)
full agreement and I said earlier, she may not be the total AD that people think. Football is really all that matters and all resources and energies should be there. Her focusing on wbb is just dumb, focus on football and get that fixed NOW, all the rest is just noise in the grand scheme
WBB was a low hanging fruit move. The program had cratered and she did the easy thing and dipped into the easy LSU bag. WBB is not a money maker and will never be. If it does well…great. If it doesn’t, ehh! Football and to a lesser extent MBB are two sports will seal her fate. I’m not a Schianoista…he’s well past his expiration date. He probably can get the program to semi regular 6-8 wins (maybe) but that probably keeps RU in the 9-18 B1G ranking. Even NorthfreakinWestern, the losingest program in CFB, has facilities that make RU like a glorified HS
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agree with you except facilities. our facilities are not as bad as many claim and about mid for p4. that's just another excuse people want to use as a crutch. Regardless, kids want money, tv, and wins, facilities are now way down the list. No one is coming to Rutgers or any school because of facilities.
Right wrong or indifferent, if Pikeill survived two losing seasons, one of which featuring two top 5 picks, GS is not getting fired for 2 losing seasons, at least one of which we were 3 plays from having 8 wins. GS has way more built up goodwill and his team showed more of a pulse. Next year would have to be like 0 wins and scandalous off the field (which sadly some are probably rooting for).
Unless Schiano has some crazy breakout season, no way Keli is extending him. Her power is growing by the day at Rutgers, and she and the President want to win big. 6-6 isn't winning big. That won't get him fired of course but it won't get him an extension either. The paradigm has changed now. It's all a one year proposition. Coaches included. Holding contracts over the heads of administrations doesn't have the same impact that it used to.
Rutgers built Graber a new stadium. Rutgers would not give him a general studies major though. At the time, a general studies major was pitched by some fans as a way to recruit more players and keep them eligible, with West Virginia University cited a university whose football team benefited from a general studies option.
But… but that’s because ONLY Schiano understands Jersey Football and is the only one who can get Jersey players. Not the other 1000 D1 coaches who can never get Jersey Kids to their programs…
Fast forward to today where the RUTGERS VISITOR LISTS that’s posted here is barely 50% Jersey Kids because either Jersey Kids suck or to greedy to be loyal to the state program that wouldn’t look their way.
As a general rule, a new AD wants nothing more than to bring in their own football and basketball coaches. Unless some programs are on some sort of heater, that's just what Keli will want to do. She isn't just getting all of this NIL for Schiano. She's doing it to attract her hire.
The Tennessee situation is a blight on Schiano. Right or wrong. Whatever happened is meaningless. Tennessee tried to hire him and the fans revolted to the point the offer got rescinded. No AD is going to risk that happening to them. For what? To maybe go .500 at best? Rutgers was the only place that would hire him. He wasn't sniffing another job near this level which is evidenced by the fact he was never interviewing for head coaching roles. If not for Rutgers, he's a low level head coach which his ego would never allow or at best, a DC somewhere bigger.
And for the record, I don't believe Schiano knew about anything Sandusky was doing. He was a lowly GA. Tennessee didn't revolt against Schiano because of Sandusky. That was an easy out. It's because he's a proven mediocre coach at best.
Maybe - but in this situation where there are so many things that need attention, it serves Zinn’s interest for both (or at least one of the two - Schiano or Pike) to have a good enough year next season where nobody would expect an immediate change to be made. In Greg’s case, honestly, who knows how many years he even wants to continue as head coach. Pike won’t step down being how many years are left on his insanely long contract.
Misunderstood. Sorry about that.
It's still a free country (for now, at least), and we are free to disagree--respectfully, of course.
IDK if they are OK, or live in fear of Return of the Ash Part 2 or Return of the Flood Part 2. Amazing the damage done by a Flood and Ash. Almost sounds apocalyptic. We need a Coach Famine or Death next. . . .
We don't agree often, but on this we agree.
you 'think'...based on what? the last two classes have sucked and the only saving grace to this one is how well longergan and Burnett do
You think our football stadium and practice facilities can hold a candle with that NU has recently built? If we were in the b12…sure
You're probably right because there wasn't a hint of a HC offer from any major program or g-5 conference programs.
I just went by the support he received in many media articles after Tennessee told him to go away.
But in the articles I remember reading, not one mention any college program looking at him as a possible HC hire.
Hell Hobbs didn't want him ,in my estimation, but Hobbs couldn't find anyone that wanted Rutgers except for Schiano and even the Hobbs had to be pushed into hiring Greg
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I think Schiano must make a bowl or be bought out.
Zinn will make her mark by putting winning over any kind of loyalty to Greg
And will know by the end of regular season who she'll go after to replace him
Schiano makes a bowl, her eyes will be on Pikiell and if he brings a his program to the NCAA Tourney
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Hate to tell you but NJ HS Football is a shell of what it used to be. Middlesex County used to be a powerhouse now even the strongest programs don’t have much juice.
You still have the parochials and South Jersey but overall we don’t have the talent and depth we used to have.
If you have a p2 program you need to go out of state for players.
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Agreed. Best case is Schiano goes 6-6 somehow and makes a low level bowl game allowing Keli to keep him around without having to up his contract. She can continue to amass money to make a splash when the time is right which is likely 27. Same goes for PIke, though elongated time schedule. Ultimately, Keli isn't going to continue to accept mediocre or worse results. Not when she's raising the NIL stakes and has complete command . I'd love to see her list of coaches that every AD carries around in their back pocket.
That's not true. Butch Jones interviewed for the job. Luckily, he withdrew. He has been a disaster in every job post Cincinnati.
“Bielema was (recently) a finalist for the head coach positions at Rutgers and Colorado and was interviewed by the Athletics Directors at both those schools as part of the selection process. Coach Bielema was one of two or three finalists at both Rutgers and Colorado.”
Reposting Illinois' record pre-Bielema:
Illinois was in equal or worse shape than Rutgers under Ash when Bielema took over:
| 2012 | Illinois | 2–10 | 0–8 | 6th (Leaders) | |
| 2013 | Illinois | 4–8 | 1–7 | 5th (Leaders) | |
| 2014 2015 | Illinois | 6–7 5-7 | 3–5 3-5 | 5th (West) 5th West | L Heart of Dallas |
| 2016 | Illinois | 3–9 | 2–7 | 6th (West) | |
| 2017 | Illinois | 2–10 | 0–9 | 7th (West) | |
| 2018 | Illinois | 4–8 | 2–7 | 7th (West) | |
| 2019 | Illinois | 6–7 | 4–5 | 4th (West) | L Redbox |
| 2020 | Illinois | 2–5* | 2–5* | 7th (West) | |
| Illinois: | 17–39 | 10–33 | *Fired after seven games |
Imagine that- an 8 win, a 9 win and a ten win season in five seasons. All without NJ players. Wow, who would have thought that was possible?
| 2021 | Illinois | 5–7 | 4–5 | 5th (West) | |||
| 2022 | Illinois | 8–5 | 5–4 | T–2nd (West) | L ReliaQuest | ||
| 2023 | Illinois | 5–7 | 3–6 | T–4th (West) | |||
| 2024 | Illinois | 10–3 | 6–3 | T–5th | W Citrus | 16 | 16 |
| 2025 | Illinois | 9–4 | 5–4 | T–7th | W Music City | 25 | |
| Illinois: | 37–26 | 23–22 |
There was talk Bert was using interest in Rutgers just to keep Arkansas from voiding his buyout over the low pay NE Patriot job he took and we can't be sure if what Rutgers was offering was good enough for Bielema to accept
But I admit when searching if he really wanted the RU job I found what you posted as proof Greg wasn't the lone candidate.
I just feel Burt was using Rutgers so Arkansas wouldn't claim he wasn't seriously looking for a good paying job
He settled his lawsuit with Arkansas in April of 2021 , around 4 months after Illinois hired him (Dec .2020)
A case of RU being used as proof and Bert didn't want to risk his career chances on a program that didn't give the type of support to help him succeed .
As for Butch , he might have felt the same and that's why he said not interested
Interviewing for a position doesn't mean it's a done deal and Hobbs probably talked to (through 3rd parties_ more potential candidates than we know , but didn't want to interview because they felt the gap between what they wanted and what Rutgers was offering was too wide,
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makes me sick
so I see the logic but we need football NOW. Waiting just deepens the hole. Still can't believe we extended him when we did
The facade of tailgating at 5-7 vs 3-9
The harsh truth is Greg loses vs any perceived top school in this league and the whole stadium knows it
Schiano showed a general studies major was never needed. The kids simply had to attend class. One of his first new assistants, Mario Cristobal, helped make sure they did so at the time.