When Rutgers can consistently finish ahead of the teams listed, maybe that conversation becomes realistic. I wasn't limiting whats possible as much as I was questioning the logic about funding for the teams at the top explaining why Rutgers can't get in top 20. It really doesn't seem to very well.
Damion Hahn was first choice not Ashnault
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We are sixth in the nation with overall funding.What are you talking about? That means we have the same funding as close to ohio ,
state , and iowa
Crackers, please read post #114 in this thread where I explain why Rutgers did not spend the 6th most in FY25.
And again, no we don't. The tweet you base this claim on was a made up list.
Considering nobody seems to pay attention to the program, George Mason has done a really good job in recruiting, especially PA. Guessing it’s Dean Heil that’s doing most of the work in that regard.
I’ve said it many times - SG is a good guy and has certainly elevated the program. But he never paid his dues as an assistant and doesn’t “live” the wrestling life. Are there any coaches of top 20 teams that went straight from a high school coaching job to D1? And I don’t include guys like DT because he competed forever and “lives” the sport of wrestling.
Kevin dresser went from Christiansburg high school in virginia ( He recruited Devon and Brandon Carter and Cody Gardner away from NJ to go there) to coaching Virginia Tech. That’s the only coach I can think of
Does George Mason have multiple top 10 recruiting classes? Do they have guys using the portal to transfer to their program nearly every year?
But he was an Iowa assistant before christiansburg
It's obviously about both, duals AND NCAA tournament. If Rutgers does better in the tournament and not as well in duals, do you think fans will be happier? Certainly not those who attend the duels or follow them in this forum. The age of excuses is over; Rutgers needs to solve the issues or admit it isn't important enough.
Bill, I think that most people on here want to see Rutgers do well in duals and were happy with the big win over Minnesota. The problem has been that success in duals is not translating to success at Big Tens and Nationals.
Yes, fans want to see high caliber wrestlers AA type, like Ashnault, Rivera, Perroti, Bulsak and Suriano. We were packing them in during their years. There's no reason you can't have some Clark's to go along with a couple of those guys. This isn't an either/or.
The last few years we've had all Clark's, decent wrestlers who won't get teched/majored and can occasionally give you a big win. Also, our dual record is padded by a lot of cupcakes, so you're still going to win them. I'd gladly trade a few dual wins for 4 AA's.
Actually that is a lot of ******** on your part, since I don't care one way or the other whether Goody stays or goes. Color yourself "clueless".
This is my evaluation from the point of view of a completely neutral observer. That makes you the heavily biased one. I don't really give a crap what your opinion is either.
I have no skin in the game other than wondering how this all turns out.
I will now get out of the way. Sorry you were so offended, as I just expressed my impressions of this conversation.
I do enjoy wrestling and think it is perhaps the most challenging mentally of any sport.
Thank you. I keep saying it because it appears some here are fooling themselves into believing "it's all about March".
I'd like to see better opponents in place of the cupcakes and participation in the stronger tournaments.
He’s not a head coach but people here have been complaining about the loss of Buxton. Seems like it doesn’t matter that he came from HS.
Tbh idc where they came from, be it only HS coaching experience prior, long as they can produce results.
Agreed. Goodale has been a college coach twice as long as he’s been a high school coach. I think labeling him a high school coach is kind of a cop out.
It didn’t seem to matter that he was a high school coach when Suriano and Ashnault were national champions and he was the coach of the year. The response to that is “those two would have won no matter where they went.” Not only is that moving the goalposts, but if that’s the case, then getting elite recruits is more important than getting a good coach.
You get the good coach in order to attract the elite recruits.
Recruiting the “right” guys is a very underrated skill and might be most important.. gotta find the good value recruits/transfers and who will outperform relative to their rankings/$$.
No, got to get the right coach that can attract the high ranking recruits and get the $$s through their connection and capital raising abilities. You got million dollar dreams with penny mindset.
Yes, getting elite recruits is more important but you need the “great” not good coach to get the elite recruits. The goal post didn’t move … Suriano again was already elite top 3 ranking at PSU and Ashnault was an AA freshman that was clearly top level out of HS judging by that result and didn’t reach the Zenith until his 5th year, which makes you ask how much better would he have been in a more challenging wrestling room , and not to mention SG had Donnie as the elite level world medalist coach that he is not. Judging by Columbias success since Donnie took over is SG good enough? Hasn’t shown it in some years hasn’t shown without Donnie. You heard all you needed to hear when Goodale said he’s a dual guy at heart … he’s not the person to get Rutgers to the next level and in fact has regressed.
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You can't bring up win against Minnestota withhout bringing up losses to Oklahoma, Michigain, and NC State. Also, it was the first big dual meet win in a decade. You have to be fair about it.
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Put your pom-poms down
Half-baked comparison. Buxton has coached the US national team, was the head coach of Lehigh Valley RTC and for numerous years coached the number one high school team in the USA. We miss Buxton because he is a high-level coach
Goodale on the other hand coached at Jackson High School a good New Jersey program that was bolstered by a transfer from Edison New jersey.
It's like comparing a cockroach to a spider.
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Harsh but comparing Buxton and Goodale is joke, Buxton is a much more accomplished coached and you correctly pointed coached the US national team. This was just silly, he’s legendary in the wrestling world. Columbia has had more AAs in the last 2 years than Rutgers has had in the last 4 and you can’t tell me they’ve had better recruits. Didn’t Donnie in his 2nd year just get named NWCA coach of the year?
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So basically it’s ok that Buxton was a high school coach because he also coached in college. Got it.
If you want to debate whether Goodale is a good coach or not, that’s fine, but defaulting to the high school background is completely lazy.
Not comparing the two coaches, I’m saying with one guy we overlook the fact that he coached in high school.
Goodale was also named coach of the year in 2019 I believe.
There is levels to the high school coaching discussion
The difference is the best guys Buxton coached in high school turned into multi time ncaa champs , world champs ,guys who made the Olympics.
Best guy Goodale coached is Winston who a lot of you see as an underachiever and I can’t think of anyone else Goodale coached that even went D1
When Donnie was at Rutgers. He hasn’t done anything without him where as Donnie has achieved without Goodale.
Donnie is a better coach than Goodale. I’m not even debating that. My question is why do we label Goodale a high school coach when he’s been a college coach now for 20 years, but we don’t label Buxton a high school coach.
Buxton has travelled the globe coaching at the highest levels including olympians. The guy eats, sleeps, breathes wrestling. SG’s resume can’t even compare. With that said, SG is better suited to manage the day-to-day of a B1G program. But SG is not going to take a good wrestler and make him great. Thats where the assistants make all the difference.
Simple. Buxton has a much bigger global resume. Goodale is HS and College only and and Buxton’s HS was basically a college.
You guys are missing the point. Essentially Buxton’s high school resume gets dismissed because the rest of what he’s done takes more priority, which is fine. So how come Goodale who has won a national coach of the weird, coached multiple all Americans and national champions, is still labeled as a high school coach? It’s just a lazy point to make.
If you want to debate whether or not he’s still the best man for the job, that’s one thing. But it seems like no matter what he does, the people who don’t want him will use his successful high school resume as a negative.
If you want to debate whether or not he’s still the best man for the job, that’s one thing. But it seems like no matter what he does, the people who don’t want him will use his successful high school resume as a negative.
Goodale would be a hell of a GM or admin for wrestling. As HC he leaves a lot to be desired unless he has rockstars for assistants.
Why would he be a hell of a GM or Admin? He hasn’t been able to raise any $$ or bring any donors in, he clearly rubs people he works with the wrong way (Mytych,Seabass,Ashnault left on bad terms). he talks out of both sides of his mouth , i don’t see anything that screams top flight GM from goodales history
Leonard instead of laughing what part do you not agree about? From my understanding the main roll of GM or Admin of a wrestling program is raising $$ and recruiting and obviously raising money has never been SG strong suit. I’m not knocking him that’s just the reality so far.