Whoever keeps complaining about baseball money...

Bulldog Bruce

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Maybe you should switch your allegiance to the Gamecocks. They obviously don't spend money on Baseball. Their attendance at baseball is right on level with the club sport y'all call it. They have a 78,000 capacity football stadium and have hired big name coaches in the past. Of course I don't think they are much more successful than we are in football over the past 20 years.
 
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Maybe you should switch your allegiance to the Gamecocks. They obviously don't spend money on Baseball. Their attendance at baseball is right on level with the club sport y'all call it. They have a 78,000 capacity football stadium and have hired big name coaches in the past. Of course I don't think they are much more successful than we are in football over the past 20 years.
Yeah, I played rugby for State, a club sport for us, so I can tell you what a HUGE difference it is between representing State in baseball vs an actual club sport, even one as exciting and entertaining as rugby can be.

Baseball hasn't been nearly as big as the other 2 Big 3 sports for a very, very long time, but it remains a Big 3 sport nonetheless, and the one sport we always felt we could take pride in, brag about and enter almost every season justifiably believing we had an excellent chance of making it to Omaha, and would some day get that NC we so narrowly missed before. I still thank God we finally won our NC before NIL & transfer rules had a chance to poison what was best about college baseball.

I'm torn between my decades of loyalty, fandom, seasonal optimism, etc. and my ability to actually give much of a damn anymore since players of these sports are no longer "us", but "them"...hired guns or employees on the payroll who happen to have the mild connection of being required to actually take some classes to stay eligible.

That said, I'd rather have a legit chance to be truly excellent in any of the Big 3, even at the cost of maybe not being quite as competitive in one or both of the others when the other 2, especially football are pretty much now about who can and will spend the most money to buy a potential championship.

We cannot and will not outspend enough teams to be remotely a contender within the current semi-pro structure. In baseball, we can still compete, at least until enough other schools decide to price us out-of-the-market in that too.

Want a good look at what a joke NIL and transfer rules have become? Look no further than Texas Tech. When schools don't give a **** how much they have to outspend and/or lose money, they can buy themselves a golden ticket. Hell, TT made a multi-millionaire out of a freakin' women's softball pitcher! And all that oil-money is buying them into any and every other sport they decide to.

"Oh yay! Look at us...we are better at buying athletes than anybody else!" I knew as soon as this NIL **** started to look likely that it would screw us, and pretty much take all the special out of what used to be amateur college sports.

Yet, I still can't help but pull for our guys, though I have lost probably 80% of my give-a-**** since NIL.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. I'm in a pretty rare foul mood today. Almost 65 years old and I'm feeling like I wish I could get in a good old-fashioned fist-fight with an ******* so I could just take out all my frustrations on that bastard!
 

POTUS

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They have a winning record in football last 5 years: 33-30 and knocked on the door of the playoff in 2024. Their women’s basketball team is a perennial national title contender.

Their athletic department is running circles around ours. Not the best choice for comparison.
 

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We could shut down every other sport and give it all to football and it wouldn't matter if we don't have the right coaching staff. Hopefully Lebby can take a big step this year.

If we win some games people will buy in. A winning season in football will generate more new money than we spend on baseball
 

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Yeah, I played rugby for State, a club sport for us, so I can tell you what a HUGE difference it is between representing State in baseball vs an actual club sport, even one as exciting and entertaining as rugby can be.

Baseball hasn't been nearly as big as the other 2 Big 3 sports for a very, very long time, but it remains a Big 3 sport nonetheless, and the one sport we always felt we could take pride in, brag about and enter almost every season justifiably believing we had an excellent chance of making it to Omaha, and would some day get that NC we so narrowly missed before. I still thank God we finally won our NC before NIL & transfer rules had a chance to poison what was best about college baseball.

I'm torn between my decades of loyalty, fandom, seasonal optimism, etc. and my ability to actually give much of a damn anymore since players of these sports are no longer "us", but "them"...hired guns or employees on the payroll who happen to have the mild connection of being required to actually take some classes to stay eligible.

That said, I'd rather have a legit chance to be truly excellent in any of the Big 3, even at the cost of maybe not being quite as competitive in one or both of the others when the other 2, especially football are pretty much now about who can and will spend the most money to buy a potential championship.

We cannot and will not outspend enough teams to be remotely a contender within the current semi-pro structure. In baseball, we can still compete, at least until enough other schools decide to price us out-of-the-market in that too.

Want a good look at what a joke NIL and transfer rules have become? Look no further than Texas Tech. When schools don't give a **** how much they have to outspend and/or lose money, they can buy themselves a golden ticket. Hell, TT made a multi-millionaire out of a freakin' women's softball pitcher! And all that oil-money is buying them into any and every other sport they decide to.

"Oh yay! Look at us...we are better at buying athletes than anybody else!" I knew as soon as this NIL **** started to look likely that it would screw us, and pretty much take all the special out of what used to be amateur college sports.

Yet, I still can't help but pull for our guys, though I have lost probably 80% of my give-a-**** since NIL.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. I'm in a pretty rare foul mood today. Almost 65 years old and I'm feeling like I wish I could get in a good old-fashioned fist-fight with an ******* so I could just take out all my frustrations on that bastard!
I’m 100% with on on NIL and transfer ruining it for me. However, outside a few vocal exceptions, football and basketball players have had mainly a cursory relationship to their school for about 60 years now. Those of us who grew up with it, just didn’t see it that way. Case in point, a few years ago they honored some 70s basketball players. Can’t remember who it was they interviewed, but they were talking how much Starkville had changed. They hadn’t been here since they played. The guys like Dak, Johnie Cooks, Glen Young, Haddix, Tanner Allen etc. are the exception that proves the rule.
 

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We could shut down every other sport and give it all to football and it wouldn't matter if we don't have the right coaching staff. Hopefully Lebby can take a big step this year.

If we win some games people will buy in. A winning season in football will generate more new money than we spend on baseball
Hope is the strategy needed to fleece millions from our hard working family first fans and alumni
 
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Bulldog Bruce

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They have a winning record in football last 5 years: 33-30 and knocked on the door of the playoff in 2024. Their women’s basketball team is a perennial national title contender.

Their athletic department is running circles around ours. Not the best choice for comparison.
You site another example of why these folks should move on. I don't understand rooting for a team that doesn't do things how you like. Why put yourself through such misery? I am just pointing out how South Carolina is much more in line with the Baseball haters and blamers and might be a much better fit for their sanity. They too can attend a baseball game disguised as an empty chair back seat.
 

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Yeah, I played rugby for State, a club sport for us, so I can tell you what a HUGE difference it is between representing State in baseball vs an actual club sport, even one as exciting and entertaining as rugby can be.

Baseball hasn't been nearly as big as the other 2 Big 3 sports for a very, very long time, but it remains a Big 3 sport nonetheless, and the one sport we always felt we could take pride in, brag about and enter almost every season justifiably believing we had an excellent chance of making it to Omaha, and would some day get that NC we so narrowly missed before. I still thank God we finally won our NC before NIL & transfer rules had a chance to poison what was best about college baseball.

I'm torn between my decades of loyalty, fandom, seasonal optimism, etc. and my ability to actually give much of a damn anymore since players of these sports are no longer "us", but "them"...hired guns or employees on the payroll who happen to have the mild connection of being required to actually take some classes to stay eligible.

That said, I'd rather have a legit chance to be truly excellent in any of the Big 3, even at the cost of maybe not being quite as competitive in one or both of the others when the other 2, especially football are pretty much now about who can and will spend the most money to buy a potential championship.

We cannot and will not outspend enough teams to be remotely a contender within the current semi-pro structure. In baseball, we can still compete, at least until enough other schools decide to price us out-of-the-market in that too.

Want a good look at what a joke NIL and transfer rules have become? Look no further than Texas Tech. When schools don't give a **** how much they have to outspend and/or lose money, they can buy themselves a golden ticket. Hell, TT made a multi-millionaire out of a freakin' women's softball pitcher! And all that oil-money is buying them into any and every other sport they decide to.

"Oh yay! Look at us...we are better at buying athletes than anybody else!" I knew as soon as this NIL **** started to look likely that it would screw us, and pretty much take all the special out of what used to be amateur college sports.

Yet, I still can't help but pull for our guys, though I have lost probably 80% of my give-a-**** since NIL.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. I'm in a pretty rare foul mood today. Almost 65 years old and I'm feeling like I wish I could get in a good old-fashioned fist-fight with an ******* so I could just take out all my frustrations on that bastard!

95%, especially in football.
 
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If there is the realignment of college athletics that most of us fear, and a super conference emerges, it will be the football programs that decide whether or not your college is included. The emphasis on baseball by decades of MSU administrations is undeniable. MSU has rebuilt Dudy Noble twice in my lifetime, and less than a decade ago we were still pissing in cheapo Larry Templeton troughs at Scott Field. MSU decided long ago it could not compete in football, so its attempts to do so have been sporadic and half-hearted.

No one knows what the future holds. But, if there a super conference emerges and we are left out of it, always remember that we did it to ourselves. Enjoy it while you can.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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They have a winning record in football last 5 years: 33-30 and knocked on the door of the playoff in 2024. Their women’s basketball team is a perennial national title contender.

Their athletic department is running circles around ours. Not the best choice for comparison.
Their women's program is more of the reason their baseball program sucks, rather than reallocating football resources. They want to be good at what they can be good at, and right now, it's women's basketball.

I probably wouldn't do that, because I can't think of one single thing women's basketball brings to the table. For us, at least baseball is a big regional student recruiting tool and fits with our culture. The TV ratings and national recognition do nothing for you at that level, I think we can all agree on that. But, I figure since they hit on Dawn Staley and had this program once the NIL era began, they are just riding it out as long as they can.
 

She Mate Me

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Another thing worth pointing out is that we truly have a program in baseball.

12 CWS trips over 50+ years.

Consistently good under many different coaches. We've been to Omaha under 6 different HC's in every decade since the 1970's.

Obviously, the best, most loyal fan base in the country and the best home stadium and fan and player experience to go with it.


There are lots of examples of schools that think they've built a program, but really just hired one great HC. Tennessee women's basketball, South Carolina baseball, UNLV men's basketball cone to mind. Won't be surprised if Tennessee baseball and South Carolina women's basketball follow.

Actually building a program in a sport is obviously a huge accomplishment involving a lot of effort and people. Plenty of schools haven't accomplished it in any sport.

Throwing that program away to possibly get an extra few wins in football and rise up to a little less meaningless bowl game that will be called something else next season unless it's just gone, is so silly it shouldn't even bear discussion.

The extra money that would ruin our baseball program if redirected, absolutely will not make us anything special in football. Moving on...
 
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They have a winning record in football last 5 years: 33-30 and knocked on the door of the playoff in 2024. Their women’s basketball team is a perennial national title contender.

Their athletic department is running circles around ours. Not the best choice for comparison.
They also have 2 national titles in baseball to our 1. So not spending on baseball seems to be working out for them.
 
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Another thing worth pointing out is that we truly have a program in baseball.

12 CWS trips over 50+ years.

Consistently good under many different coaches. We've been to Omaha under 6 different HC's in every decade since the 1970's.

Obviously, the best, most loyal fan base in the country and the best home stadium and fan and player experience to go with it.


There are lots of examples of schools that think they've built a program, but really just hired one great HC. Tennessee women's basketball, South Carolina baseball, UNLV men's basketball cone to mind. Won't be surprised if Tennessee baseball and South Carolina women's basketball follow.

Actually building a program in a sport is obviously a huge accomplishment involving a lot of effort and people. Plenty of schools haven't accomplished it in any sport.

Throwing that program away to possibly get an extra few wins in football and rise up to a little less meaningless bowl game that will be called something else next season unless it's just gone, is so silly it shouldn't even bear discussion.

The extra money that would ruin our baseball program if redirected, absolutely will not make us anything special in football. Moving on...
The baseball program is hovering around .500 in SEC play over the last 50 years and have been to 12 college world series in 140 seasons. Before 2021 our biggest accomplishment was a third place team in 1985.
 

Wesson Bulldog

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Yeah, I played rugby for State, a club sport for us, so I can tell you what a HUGE difference it is between representing State in baseball vs an actual club sport, even one as exciting and entertaining as rugby can be.

Baseball hasn't been nearly as big as the other 2 Big 3 sports for a very, very long time, but it remains a Big 3 sport nonetheless, and the one sport we always felt we could take pride in, brag about and enter almost every season justifiably believing we had an excellent chance of making it to Omaha, and would some day get that NC we so narrowly missed before. I still thank God we finally won our NC before NIL & transfer rules had a chance to poison what was best about college baseball.

I'm torn between my decades of loyalty, fandom, seasonal optimism, etc. and my ability to actually give much of a damn anymore since players of these sports are no longer "us", but "them"...hired guns or employees on the payroll who happen to have the mild connection of being required to actually take some classes to stay eligible.

That said, I'd rather have a legit chance to be truly excellent in any of the Big 3, even at the cost of maybe not being quite as competitive in one or both of the others when the other 2, especially football are pretty much now about who can and will spend the most money to buy a potential championship.

We cannot and will not outspend enough teams to be remotely a contender within the current semi-pro structure. In baseball, we can still compete, at least until enough other schools decide to price us out-of-the-market in that too.

Want a good look at what a joke NIL and transfer rules have become? Look no further than Texas Tech. When schools don't give a **** how much they have to outspend and/or lose money, they can buy themselves a golden ticket. Hell, TT made a multi-millionaire out of a freakin' women's softball pitcher! And all that oil-money is buying them into any and every other sport they decide to.

"Oh yay! Look at us...we are better at buying athletes than anybody else!" I knew as soon as this NIL **** started to look likely that it would screw us, and pretty much take all the special out of what used to be amateur college sports.

Yet, I still can't help but pull for our guys, though I have lost probably 80% of my give-a-**** since NIL.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. I'm in a pretty rare foul mood today. Almost 65 years old and I'm feeling like I wish I could get in a good old-fashioned fist-fight with an ******* so I could just take out all my frustrations on that bastard!
Did you play in the rugby alumni match last weekend? My son played for the Mad Dogs and scored three times.
 

CochiseCowbell

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The lack of fans at the game yesterday was really a blessing to me.

We set records in April heat Fri and Sat in the area, highest since 1893. We were able to move my toddler & my older parents under the grandstand into the shade. Wife bought the kid some ice cream. They couldn't finish so I had to.

Well, by the 7th inning stretch, following the boy around the concourse, beer, & ice cream had nature calling.

Journeyed to the CF restrooms and thankfully had the whole place to myself (plus Neil & Polk in my ear) to evacuate. It was cool and empty.

Thanks, Gamecocks!
 

She Mate Me

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The baseball program is hovering around .500 in SEC play over the last 50 years and have been to 12 college world series in 140 seasons. Before 2021 our biggest accomplishment was a third place team in 1985.


WTF does "hovering around .500 mean"??

A few years ago Florida had the best all time SEC baseball record at about .600. I think we were 4th at about .540. I believe only Florida and LSU were ahead of us among charter members.

We've been to 12 CWS's in about 55 seasons and 11 in the last 46 seasons. I'm not looking it up, but I'm sure that'll rank pretty high among baseball programs. Throwing in 140 seasons was only to make your number look bad when it's actually good.

Our biggest accomplishment is building one of the best programs in the country, which some "fans" can't even be bothered to take pride in.
 

QuaoarsKing

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The baseball program is hovering around .500 in SEC play over the last 50 years and have been to 12 college world series in 140 seasons. Before 2021 our biggest accomplishment was a third place team in 1985.
The College World Series didn't start until 1947. This year will be the 79th time it's occurred, so you're almost doubling the timeframe in order to make our program look bad.
 
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WTF does "hovering around .500 mean"??

A few years ago Florida had the best all time SEC baseball record at about .600. I think we were 4th at about .540. I believe only Florida and LSU were ahead of us among charter members.

We've been to 12 CWS's in about 55 seasons and 11 in the last 46 seasons. I'm not looking it up, but I'm sure that'll rank pretty high among baseball programs. Throwing in 140 seasons was only to make your number look bad when it's actually good.

Our biggest accomplishment is building one of the best programs in the country, which some "fans" can't even be bothered to take pride in.
Only 11 teams have been to the CWS more than we have. So yea, pretty good.

 
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POTUS

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You site another example of why these folks should move on. I don't understand rooting for a team that doesn't do things how you like. Why put yourself through such misery? I am just pointing out how South Carolina is much more in line with the Baseball haters and blamers and might be a much better fit for their sanity. They too can attend a baseball game disguised as an empty chair back seat.
Maybe they went to MSU and want their university to do what’s best, not what they personally prefer? Imagine.
 

onewoof

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They have a winning record in football last 5 years: 33-30 and knocked on the door of the playoff in 2024. Their women’s basketball team is a perennial national title contender.

Their athletic department is running circles around ours. Not the best choice for comparison.
USCe went 4 and 8 last year. That's what you're going to see from them for a while. And being a contender isn't enough in WBB. You have to win it all to minimize the loss you incur.

They suck.
 
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POTUS

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And being a contender isn't enough in WBB. You have to win it all to minimize the loss you incur.

They suck.
Good to know. Imagine how that same logic applies to a sport with half the viewership.
 

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You missed the sarcasterisks didn’t you?
Women’s college basketball is more popular now and has a clear advantage in national TV appeal. I couldn’t even tune into our game today. So I watched us play tennis on the SEC network. Even our tennis today was more popular than our baseball game.
 
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Villagedawg

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Women’s college basketball is more popular now and has a clear advantage in national TV appeal. I couldn’t even tune into our game today. So I watched us play tennis on the SEC network. Even our tennis today was more popular than our baseball game.
Yeah. I was being sarcastic about WBB, but our tenis isn’t as close to as popular. ESPN is, however obligated to show tenis.
 
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WTF does "hovering around .500 mean"??

A few years ago Florida had the best all time SEC baseball record at about .600. I think we were 4th at about .540. I believe only Florida and LSU were ahead of us among charter members.

We've been to 12 CWS's in about 55 seasons and 11 in the last 46 seasons. I'm not looking it up, but I'm sure that'll rank pretty high among baseball programs. Throwing in 140 seasons was only to make your number look bad when it's actually good.

Our biggest accomplishment is building one of the best programs in the country, which some "fans" can't even be bothered to take pride in.

Ole Miss has been to 11 CWS and won a more recent national championship. I bet you don’t think they are one of the nation’s premier programs.
 

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Ole Miss has been to 11 CWS and won a more recent national championship. I bet you don’t think they are one of the nation’s premier programs.
Why wouldn't Ole Miss be a "premier" program if your definition allows for 10-15 teams?

Especially in the modern era where the portal/NIL makes the teams outside the power conferences (Cal State Fullerton, Rice, Wichita State, etc.) unable to compete.
 

onewoof

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WBB title: 5 million viewers
CWS title: 2.5 million viewers

twice as many.
They lost. You don't get anything losing the championship game. Forgotten as soon as it's over. And quite frankly that multi million dollar team got embarrassed for everyone to see. Not good.
 

QuaoarsKing

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WBB title: 5 million viewers
CWS title: 2.5 million viewers

twice as many.
Who cares? It's fine if someone likes college baseball better. (Also fine if someone likes women's basketball better.)