whats that investment. How much are those lower tier sports coaches gettng paid. $100k-$150k. Double or Triple those numbers and get someone good who can win. And $150.000 per year for about 5 sports is $750,000 to increase our performance and maybe get to a few NCAA tournament games in other sports. We have all this money but can’t spend on that? And you wonder why no one gives to athletics. They give alums nothing to be proud of.
Hines to UConn?
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Fishjam said:
Among the 6 million things that suck about the current unlimited Free Agency is the lack of a compensation system for teams.
Every other professional sports leagues have mechanisms in place to compensate teams that get raided by richer teams. They also award the top draft picks to the teams that finish at the bottom of the standings.
Jay Williams on ESPN suggested the same thing. There should be transfer fees to the school that loses the players like lower division soccer teams get when a player transfers to another club with more money higher division etc.
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#1 I don’t wonder why no one gives to athletics..don’t know why you said that
#2 get your point but I don’t think it is as simple as just increasing the coach pay..many other factors not working in our favor
#3 you’re talking about doubling coaching pay and others on this board are saying we should cut the wbb salary by more than half..we aren’t all even on the same page which is another reason we are small time
#4 we don’t even compete in sports that we would have a small chance of being competitive in..and to invest to start will never happen
#1 Don't take it personally, it was more of a general statement not directed at you specifically. There are many who do.
#2 You need to change the culture and get people in positions who demand excellence. We seem to have people happy to collect paycheck and come in last.
#3 If you're broke or acting broke then sure cut it. If you have the funds to get better, get better. Don't tell me we're doing great on money and continue to be the doormat in most sports. I hope to make 2 of the 3 baseball games this weekend, but I'm starting to wonder why I still go.
#4 If you got the money, use it!
There's a lot of "you" in there not directed at you specifically. Don't take it personally. Just like you're not part of the "we" who doesn't compete in sports.
I agree with most of it but again I just think they care enough to do any of this
School seems healthy..they’ll give their best shot competing in MBB..collect the media rights rev and move on
They don’t care
Also, 1 SMALL thing that is more complicated is two of our “main sports” baseball and golf even if you really invested like you said idk if it would matter both are notoriously weak north east sports and our conference is really bad at both
So do we really want to pump money there? I don’t know
I don’t believe you could get a universal system in place for that. But I do like the foundation of that idea.
I have always believed you have to build the buyout into the player’s contract.
Offer two year contracts. And have a buyout if the player wants to leave after year one.
why would a player sign a contract like that? Because you are structuring year 2 to have an escalated value available. Maybe its guaranteed, maybe its incentive based like the NFL does. Either way you are making year 2 attractive enough where the player can stay and also not get kicked to the curb by the school. Could you end up with some “bad contracts” that way? Absolutely, but you still get some continuity, familiarity with the fans, and in year two maybe you get some unexpected improvement.
And if the kid blows up after year one his opportunity at another school should be so attractive that the new school is willing to eat the cost of the buyout anyway.
Someone at the lower level has to be creative and step outside the box. Be the trend setter with an idea like this. Why not us? (I know….Just opened Pandora’s box for all those who will tell us why it won’t be us)
If you look at what James Madison has been able to do the last few years, I just don't understand why we can't pump some money if we have it and do the same thing. James Madison isn't in some notoriously strong conference. They've been to a softball world series and won a game in the dance 2 years ago, and CFP berth. Desire, Passion, and Commitment and there's no reason we can't be successful. It's small time to have funds and be happy being a doormat.
I get it
But even that: JMU is public, already existing football..you want us to start football and compete?
And even small things like Sun belt is much stronger in baseball and softball than the big east
I’m not saying you’re wrong ..I’m just saying that there is a different from being broke and what you’re saying
The school is not motivated and does not care to do any of the things you’re advocating for
Whether we are broke or aren't broke, we sure act like it.
We all have cheap friends, when you call them out for their cheapness they become less cheap.
What?! lol
This is going nowhere but what sports do you want us to invest in to be great
Seton Hall doesn’t act cheap or broke as much as it it acts carefully and responsibly with it’s finances. They don’t throw money around like drunken sailors. More importantly I know for a fact the school has had to pass on some great profs who wanted to be at Seton Hall but the money wasn’t available. It’s not just sports that toes the line, but at the same time the school stays out of trouble financially. I wish there was more money to improve all aspects of the school.
Wait, what do you mean? When Ohtani signed with the Dodgers they didn't give the Angels anything. I don't see the teams losing free agents being given anything from the teams that sign their players. What I am missing?
Pick 3 that we could succeed in year in and year out. I don’t care which sports they are but let’s be successful in something. A once proud program goes to 0-7 with a loss 10-1 at home vs X. So terrible that the students don’t have a team they can follow who can succeed. It kills school spirit.
Compensation for losing free agents often leads to extra draft picks in professional sport leagues
Dodgers lost 2 of their top Draft picks and $1M in International Signing budget. Angels got a compensatory pick I believe at the end of the 1st round.
NFL has a similar system and Pro Soccer has a compensatory model that pays cash when players move on to higher leagues. The Soccer model seems most applicable since there are no draft picks in college basketball.
True. I was saying the teams that get the player do not compensate the teams they got the player from. Cant do that in college due to no draft.
Yes, but there is no draft in college. The Dodgers are not compensating the Angels. MLB is.
What?? The Dodgers lose draft picks
Essentially it’s enforced by MLB within their rules, but it’s understood the Dodgers give up 2 high draft picks in order to sign a top tier free agent.
It’s what’s been in place in The Majors for a long time.
It’s also what’s caused hesitation from some teams because they don’t want to surrender their first round pick as some top round players go through the minors much faster nowadays.
The point is—the gutless NCAA could start to implement some sort of financial compensation payment (in lieu of a draft pick) to the team they pilfered from.
Are you a negative human or just one who is willing to accept failure? You gotta be part of the old boys club and the threat of change scares you. You’d rather be important and the sports fail than lose your clout and see teams win.
I’d say investing in women’s sports are easy to get to the top quicker, so I will go with 2 women’s sports volleyball, softball, and let’s throw in men’s soccer so we can have a men’s program successful too.
It’s better than asking students to continue coming out to support things that aren’t succeeding and paying an AD 350,000 to not make the ncaa tournament in anything and go winless in 20% of the sports in conference.
You are missing the luxury tax in baseball. Teams get money from that to fund their operations.
The teams signing the players and paying the luxury tax are paying the Pirates, Ray's Marlins etc not MLB. Problem with MLB there is not spending floor for teams.
No they're old now. Go to a basketball game. Average age is 79.5. Thankfully there's about 20 kids under 10 who bring the average age down.
From a VERY good source . He is getting 1.5 million and a car . On top of that this was in the works for months and that Gordon the guard at Plainfield will be going to Uconn next yr.
Also Hynes was getting between 600-650 thousand last year with us .
The original post suggested UConn compensate Seton Hall. The Dodgers did not compensate the Angels. Are you suggesting Seton Hall get more picks in the next draft? My point is it cant work in college due to no draft.
Let's go rogue. If you take a player from within the conference you give up your home game vs that team! LOL We get 2 home games vs UConn next year and don't have to go to Storrs.
If everything said here is accurate, he literally left $1million on the table to go play for UConn instead of SHU? That makes no sense.
Silk, do you know what we offered Hines to stay? I'm starting to think he wanted to leave anyway.