It’s funny how much crap ford gets for “failing” with the lightning. As if making these things is so easy. Their next one looks intriguing if they can pull it off
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OT: Electric vehicles
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I'm on my second Mustang MachE. I had the first edition for 3 years without a problem, when the lease was up, I leased another. I love the car, had several recalls that were handled either with OTA updates or done in my driveway by techs from the dealer. I'm happy with the mileage I get event with this cold winter.
So you are the one owner happy with the MachE? I think Ford is discontinuing it.
I believe that the Lightning E Truk that's being dumped.
googling found this:
>Ford is discontinuing the all-electric F-150 Lightning by the end of 2025 due to low demand, high production costs, and a pivot toward hybrid vehicles. While the specific EV model is canceled, the "Lightning" nameplate will return on a new, Extended Range Electric Vehicle (EREV) that uses a gasoline engine to charge the battery while driving<
>Ford is not discontinuing the Mustang Mach-E, as production is confirmed to continue into the 2026 model year despite shifts in the company's EV strategy. While reports indicated potential, long-term uncertainty about the platform, the model remains active, with 2026 models receiving price cuts.
- Production Status: Ford Authority reports the Mach-E will continue to be produced, with Key West Ford noting its role in increased Q3 2025 sales.
- 2026 Changes: The 2026 model year introduces price cuts ranging from
to
, with the base Select model starting at
. - Features & Updates: The 2026 Mach-E will drop standard features like seatback map pockets and the standard front trunk ("frunk"), which becomes an optional item.
- Safety Notices: A, Facebook post in a Mach-E group indicates that in 2025, there was a stop-sale order for certain 2021-2025 models due to a 12-volt battery drain issue affecting door latches.<
Was it a fail, or did they pull out too early?
Time will tell.
But the idea behind this new vehicle is a good one. The F150 has terrible aerodynamics, but for people like, me with charging at home, it is a great daily driver. I have saved countless time with no stopping at gas stations, no oil changes and other regular service, and a very enjoyable ride in a vehicle that has phenomenal acceleration, heats right up in the winter because I don't need to wait for a radiator to warm up.
Don't think this was posted, but world's first mass produced EV with sodium battery about to launch. Sodium offers energy densities comparable to lithium ion but is far better in cold weather. CATL (world's largest battery manufacturer) started production of sodium batteries a few weeks ago with plans to get them in more vehicles.
All China for now but a promising development for the notorious diminished weather performance, a major obstacle for wider adoption.
cnevpost.com
"At -30°C, their discharge power is nearly triple that of equivalent-capacity LFP batteries; at -40°C, their capacity retention remains above 90%, according to the company. Power output also remains stable at temperatures as low as -50°C."
All China for now but a promising development for the notorious diminished weather performance, a major obstacle for wider adoption.
CATL's sodium-ion batteries begin deployment in production-ready passenger vehicles
CATL and Changan jointly unveiled a passenger vehicle model equipped with sodium-ion batteries, slated for market launch in mid-2026.
cnevpost.com
"At -30°C, their discharge power is nearly triple that of equivalent-capacity LFP batteries; at -40°C, their capacity retention remains above 90%, according to the company. Power output also remains stable at temperatures as low as -50°C."
Its crazy expensive, but the Cadillac Escalade IQ is like 450 miles of range....
Think you are confusing it with model s or x. Cybertruck is pretty much discontinued.
Ford EV lead dumped, likely due to the Lighting disaster:
www.cnbc.com
Ford EV leader leaving automaker amid new restructuring efforts
The departure was announced alongside Ford detailing a new restructuring that includes the establishment of a "Product Creation and Industrialization" unit.
www.cnbc.com
Looks like the Lightning disaster has Ford shifting gears,Ford EV lead dumped, likely due to the Lighting disaster:
Ford EV leader leaving automaker amid new restructuring efforts
The departure was announced alongside Ford detailing a new restructuring that includes the establishment of a "Product Creation and Industrialization" unit.
It's getting more involved in building Hybrid Trucks and SUVs, along with making the ones fueled by gas.
Their EV manufacturing looks like it's turning to putting out smaller EVs like the ones China builds that has taken over a lot of Europe's EV market .
For now Gas power is the fuel system Americans trust the most and buy more of.
Bad move to give up on the technology altogether. Hybrid is promising with nw tech using small gas engine to power electric system, which may be the future until batteries get greater range. These get 500 mile range VW unit Scout now looking to release SUV with this technology next year.Ford EV lead dumped, likely due to the Lighting disaster:
Ford EV leader leaving automaker amid new restructuring efforts
The departure was announced alongside Ford detailing a new restructuring that includes the establishment of a "Product Creation and Industrialization" unit.
I’m on the waiting list for the R2. Figure it will be another year, but I’m excited.
Personally, I wouldn’t buy one. I like my EV but also will always have an ICE.
Those Rivian’s are the best looking vehicles in the EV space. Love them.
I love my R1S quad , my favorite car i ever had by far
Not seeing where Ford "gave up on the technology altogether." Please point that out.
They still have the Mustang.
And you may have missed this link in the article?
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
"The Detroit automaker’s new “Universal EV Program” centered around low-cost EVs will start with a midsize, four-door electric pickup, produced at the Louisville Assembly Plant. That vehicle launch is slated for 2027."
"Ford noted that lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries for the new family of EVs will be assembled in the U.S. and not imported from China."
Seems to me they are reinvesting in newer and more pragmatic technology for the future.
Ford announces $2 billion investment in Louisville assembly plant aimed at cheap EVs
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
www.cnbc.com
Yeah, if you like your EV to look like Rosie the Robot from the Jetsons. Ugly front. Saw one the other day hauling some trash--pickup bed is tiny.
To each their own. Have read about nightmares for anyone needing any kind of minor body work on Rivians.
Still thrilled with my F150 Lightning. Will keep a full 10 years and will consider trading when the next generation battery technology with longer range and faster charging and lighter weight is a couple of years old. Technology evolves.
My brother has the R1S and loves it.
Yes the headlights look like Rosie the Robot, but the body looks like a normal SUV. Better looking that some other EVs out there IMO.
SIAP but over the last few months, I've noticed a ton of Fiskers in Manhattan. I talked to a guy parking one (an Uber or Lyft driver) and he showed me the app on his phone from American Leasing along with his $355/week leasing charge. He told me many app car drivers have them. I looked up American Leasing and it seems they bought Fisker's entire inventory (about 3,000 Ocean SUVs) when they went out of business. I don't know if they brought them all here but it could be.
Missed that they are reinvesting elsewhere. Thought they were just pushing it aside. That would not make sense at all.Not seeing where Ford "gave up on the technology altogether." Please point that out.
They still have the Mustang.
And you may have missed this link in the article?
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
"The Detroit automaker’s new “Universal EV Program” centered around low-cost EVs will start with a midsize, four-door electric pickup, produced at the Louisville Assembly Plant. That vehicle launch is slated for 2027."
"Ford noted that lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries for the new family of EVs will be assembled in the U.S. and not imported from China."
Seems to me they are reinvesting in newer and more pragmatic technology for the future.
Ford announces $2 billion investment in Louisville assembly plant aimed at cheap EVs
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
Just spent quite a bit of time in the Rivian R1S. Awesome SUV. Much better ride than the Tesla. Also rode in a KIA EV6 and that was an impressive ride too.
Not seeing where Ford "gave up on the technology altogether." Please point that out.
They still have the Mustang.
And you may have missed this link in the article?
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
"The Detroit automaker’s new “Universal EV Program” centered around low-cost EVs will start with a midsize, four-door electric pickup, produced at the Louisville Assembly Plant. That vehicle launch is slated for 2027."
"Ford noted that lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries for the new family of EVs will be assembled in the U.S. and not imported from China."
Seems to me they are reinvesting in newer and more pragmatic technology for the future.
Ford announces $2 billion investment in Louisville assembly plant aimed at cheap EVs
The Detroit automaker plans to produce a midsize, four-door electric pickup at the Louisville Assembly Plant, slated for 2027.
Really like the Mach-e. Probably my next car.
Interesting – like getting an Uber ride to your destination by way of the recent past.
Would love to see some Chinese-style REEV (range-extended EV) pickups here. Current gen hovering around 1,000 km/620 miles of total range, better than pure gas trucks. Think some diesel ICE pickups can get that type of range, but 600+ mi of range between stops, your choice of fueling and/or charging stop, and zero emissions driving available for forests, daily work commutes, whatever.
Next-gen battery tech and could be seeing 1,000 miles instead of km. That kind of thing should make electrified vehicles interesting to anyone, even if current ones don't meet their needs (like me)
Next-gen battery tech and could be seeing 1,000 miles instead of km. That kind of thing should make electrified vehicles interesting to anyone, even if current ones don't meet their needs (like me)
I got Cadillac Lyriq when there was a $7500 tax refund and Caddy was offering to install a charger in house for free, with $7500 tax break and they were running rebates on the EV vehicle. Basically with the tax break and the rebates and having a home charger installed foe free, I'm basically getting around a year free on my lease, couldn't pass up the deal at the time. Under Trump I think the $7500 tax credit for EV is longer available.
Once they get here, say adios to the US auto industry.
LOL! The front/headlights are unique, but I just like the style. We know a few people with them and they look sharp in person.Yeah, if you like your EV to look like Rosie the Robot from the Jetsons. Ugly front. Saw one the other day hauling some trash--pickup bed is tiny.
To each their own. Have read about nightmares for anyone needing any kind of minor body work on Rivians.
Still thrilled with my F150 Lightning. Will keep a full 10 years and will consider trading when the next generation battery technology with longer range and faster charging and lighter weight is a couple of years old. Technology evolves.
I may have come off as anti Rivian. I like the SUV more than I like the pickup truck, which has too little bed space for what we wanted a pickup for. As mentioned, not a fan of the Rivian headlights, and this is a matter of personal taste. On the other hand, the Rivian pickup truck has a really cool compartment that passes through both sides of chassis for long items such as skis, etc. Not sure if they worked out the issues with the body work being very expensive either.
Back to Ford, I think they concluded that making full EV F150s was not worth it because of aerodynamics and range issues. The GMC and Chevrolet EV full size pickups have huge battery packs and more range. Considering we only use the F150 for daily driving to/from work at about 75 miles per day, we are still thrilled with the vehicle. The ride is fantastic. In nearly 4 years, we have had zero maintenance, no oil changes, etc. Charging at home is a huge bonus, as we never have had to stop anywhere to charge the vehicle.
I put a deposit down on a Slate. Not the most glamorous or capable pickup of course, but it'll save me a ton of money on my commute while preventing me from putting a ton of miles on my beloved Subaru Baja. I love that it has actual tangible buttons and knobs instead of a nonsensical touchscreen tablet. I was using a 1997 Mazda B2300 pickup for this purpose until the engine recently died, so the Slate will be an upgrade/replacement for that without all the unnecessary tech (and associated cost) of other modern vehicles.
To each their own - agreed it’s not as sleek as it could be. But it’s a rocket ship. I’m still a few years away, but want to support the US auto industry’s pivot to hybrids and EVs.
I guess as a Mustang guy, SVO…I just don’t see it.
Lee Iacocca might agree.
