I love Leo but I love having two deep studs at every weight even more. Keep being a loser on an opponent's message board though little man
Portal April 1st
- Thread starter sdvike
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Don't come here acting tough. Someone might call you out and be on you like 2 pitbulls on a poodle. Go back to the pedophile site where you and yours belong.
Care to tell us on what planet choking a woman out (Who doesn’t want to be) is justified? And it’s because he’s a likable guy?
Must have never been around an unstable and intoxicated person. **** happens in the real world. Never had a woman try to take you out while she’s blacked out? Need to get out more Spooner.
Yeah, BIG PASS on the Cuban Strangler coming to IC
Well you haven’t heard the news that he’s pleasant to talk to. It’s a big deal and speaks to his character.
One thing I will say is you are judgmental as hell. I hope you haven't done anything wrong in your life, because, if we were all judged solely off the worst things we have done in our lives, I am pretty sure damn near NO ONE would be considered a "good" person...mind you, I don't know this particular person AT ALL, but I know plenty of people that became WAY better people simply because of what they learned from their worst offense. It is ENTIRELY possible that has happened here as well...
One thing I will say is you are judgmental as hell regarding Spooner…..
Only when he JUDGES someone else. I have even said I like a lot of his posts. I just take umbrage with those that throw stones, or, in his case, giant boulders...
Of course I’ve done things wrong. But can tell you this…
I have never forcibly put my hands on a woman. Anyone who does is a piece of trash.
Am I sitting in judgment? Absofreakinglutely. And I am completely comfortable with it. I’m very happy to say I’m the guy who doesn’t like wife beaters.
Judging someone based off of the worst thing(s) they have ever done seems pretty justified to me.
Soooo… Willie was doing a fast rapid prediction for the portal, he did say that he did not have some insider information on some of his predictions, but he was predicting that if Schubert goes 165 next year, he can see him at Iowa.
Really needing a 165, so hopefully we land him.
Also, will be interesting where Zepeda lands. Don’t know where he fits with Ryder being most suitable for 149.
Also, we are out on Shapiro. His current list is NcSt, UNC, and Nebraska.
So the major targets for us are Schubert and Zepeda? Anyone else? Any rumblings for who we are targeting in the portal?
Really needing a 165, so hopefully we land him.
Also, will be interesting where Zepeda lands. Don’t know where he fits with Ryder being most suitable for 149.
Also, we are out on Shapiro. His current list is NcSt, UNC, and Nebraska.
So the major targets for us are Schubert and Zepeda? Anyone else? Any rumblings for who we are targeting in the portal?
Doubling down on a terrible take.
Strong woman abuser vibes here. He probably said he was just the victim and she had it coming, right?
So, there is no such thing as learn from your mistakes and become a better person?
You need to get out more man! Who hasn't violently choked their significant other after a few cool ones?
Make no mistake, I am not condoning it. But, what if he has learned from it and become a better person? How long should you be judged by 1 act? In perpetuity? Does an act done in the "heat of the moment" hold the same weight as something pre-meditated?
Mind you, I am FAR from a bleeding heart. Full out rapists, child traffickers and murderers deserve a special place in hell. I would even add identity thieves that steal people's life savings Once you go down that road, your soul is past the point of redemption. But, a reactionary poor decision when you are young and stupid can actually be a great learning experience if you are truly remorseful and didn't do any long lasting damage to anyone.
Now, I will say, if he kept doing it after or does it again, he deserves to be roasted. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
I’m sure we all hope he’s a much better person that would never do that again. But he already did it, and I think it’s fair to not want anything to do with him.
I would be pleased He is a better person. I mean, it shouldn’t really be that hard to not strangle a woman, but that is where we are setting the bar I guess. It does not change what he did. And it sure as hell does not mean I think the Iowa wrestling program should be in the business of give him another chance. Let someone else take that on. (
I love you bc you are a complete a hole. I respect that!
The problem with not giving him another chance, which is often also used as a major indictment of our correction system, is that the only avenue left open to them is to get worse. One thing about the Brands is they seem to set a pretty damn high bar for those with a past and seem to police it quite heavily. If they actually did take him, he would be held to a very high standard and, with Beth right there as well, he would be quickly shown the door if he didn't walk the tight rope set for him.
When it comes to policing the wrestler, I would trust them over just about any other program....but, I do get not wanting it to be the program you personally cheer for. Just, after DeSanto, I try hard to be open to trying to help those with a past move forward....
Imagine where DeSanto may be now if he didn't go to Iowa...
Of course there is such a thing as learning from his mistakes and becoming better. That still doesn’t entitle him to a clean slate where other people have to forget it happened. I am glad to hear he’s a better person but that doesn’t mean the school has to associate itself with him.
It's a fair argument. I just hate to judge someone based on their worst moment FOREVER. Obviously, that depends on what exactly that worst moment was. Still, to me, if the people around him forgive him and move on, especially if the victim can and has, then maybe it is time for those sitting behind a keyboard, that can't be judged in the same way, to do so as well.
But, hey, a lot less people would post on anonymous sites if they could be judged the same way...
I absolutely understand your point. God knows I have made plenty of mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes.
It’s just a tough situation as an athletic department to put your neck on the line to give someone a 2nd chance. If something goes wrong then it can easily take the decision maker down and cost the school lots of money for creating an environment that put people at risk.
EDIT to add that I know you aren’t an Iowa fan so you may not know the history of being burned by things like this, but the athletic department learned a tough lesson years ago with Pierre Pierce and they will probably not forget that for a long time.
Did you mean Iowa fan as a whole? I promise I am about as big of a fan of Iowa Wrestling as most can be. But, yes, that doesn't really extend past that sport.
Still, I get that point as well. Once burned, you do your best to avoid the possibility altogether...
Shawn Kemp just called. He wants you to attend his birth control seminar.
I guess there are different levels of “holding it against” someone, and what they did will determine where the line is for everyone.
Would I let my daughter date Ech? Hell no – he isn’t going to get a second chance from me in that area for sure. Letting Ech wrestle on my team would be different than dating my daughter, but the point is that all second chances are not equal. For many, abusing women is on the high end of the list to not give that second chance. A lot of wrestlers aren’t choir boys, but there is a big difference between flipping birds and abusing women.
Would I let my daughter date Ech? Hell no – he isn’t going to get a second chance from me in that area for sure. Letting Ech wrestle on my team would be different than dating my daughter, but the point is that all second chances are not equal. For many, abusing women is on the high end of the list to not give that second chance. A lot of wrestlers aren’t choir boys, but there is a big difference between flipping birds and abusing women.
I definitely agree. I wasn't trying to compare the two people - just using an example. I didn't know how to explain DeSanto's previous issues in short form.
But to that point. Instead of flipping off the crowd for being disqualified at the SS, imagine if he went to the corner and beat on his girlfriend in front of everyone. I would imagine there would be less of this crowd that would want him back than there currently is.
On Basch, Willie bought tOSU was probably going to be interested in bringing him back. If they can do that, we could take a chance on AJ
The bird flipper has a lot more of a negative history than you’re stating. He also has been accused of violence against women.
He was also accused of sex crimes, for heavens sake. Dropped charges doesn’t mean he was innocent.
What they decide has absolutely nothing to do with what Iowa decides.
Ech can visit any campus he would like, I just hope nobody opens the door to the wrestling facilities for him. If Beth lets the Cuban strangler in then idk what’s stopping her from others