The Rooney Rule - Florida Sues The NFL

[Aardvark86]

In my field there was a real period - where blacks, gays, women, etc were emerging yet still dismissed or pigeonholed to certain kinds of work. You still see some of the residue of that (eg women as heads of hr). Some of my colleagues experienced that quite directly. Hearing the specifics of not only how that happened, but as importantly, how they broke through those barriers and molds, provides very real tools adaptable for people who aren’t even subject to those same barriers. Those stories also alert you to practice behaviors that you might not have realized squandered human capital.

as I noted, I’ve seen plenty of bad dei too, including the irrepressible “taco and tequila” parties during Latino heritage month, which is just latent racism stereotyping.

 

[fatpiggy]

This is the first time I don’t even really understand what you are even trying to say. I don’t want to respond with something smart because I’m not trolling .

I’m genuinely interested in hearing your opinion on DEI because you are clearly in tune with the legal world.

But how can you justify DEI when the civil rights act exists ?

What DEI policy has ever helped a white person?

 

[yoshi121374]

In my field there was a real period - where blacks, gays, women, etc were emerging yet still dismissed or pigeonholed to certain kinds of work. You still see some of the residue of that (eg women as heads of hr). Some of my colleagues experienced that quite directly. Hearing the specifics of not only how that happened, but as importantly, how they broke through those barriers and molds, provides very real tools adaptable for people who aren’t even subject to those same barriers. Those stories also alert you to practice behaviors that you might not have realized squandered human capital.

as I noted, I’ve seen plenty of bad dei too, including the irrepressible “taco and tequila” parties during Latino heritage month, which is just latent racism stereotyping.

It's a waste of time to try and discuss topics with Fatpiggy. His mind is made up, he acts as if he is open to debate, but that's a ruse to get people to engage.

He's got 3 or 4 topics that you would just do better to ignore. One of which is his schtick that DEI is racist against white people. He can't ever provide actual experience he has had, he can't give examples of real world experience with DEI initiatives, he just knows....

I have been involved in hiring and firing staff for 30+ years. For the last 10 to 15 DEI programs were a big part of our hiring training. It absolutely opened my eyes to my personal prejudices and has helped me hire more qualified, better candidates. I have never seen a quote, or had any pressure to hire other races, creeds, or sexual preferences. I've just been encouraged to be more open minded and not exclusionary.

 

[firegiver]

It’s not meritocracy if you aren’t picking from the best field. By excluding some people based on their skin color, you automatically have a less meritocratic field to choose from.


No surprise to me you practice racism. Democrats are proud racists, they do it right out in the open.

The funny thing is I’d bet you are a white male, your policy will come back to eat you and your offspring in the future.

you are so biased you are having trouble reading and comprehending.
The interview base is widened to include minorities, not replaced by minorities. go back , reread before you start getting all upset about NOTHING.

 

[fatpiggy]

you are so biased you are having trouble reading and comprehending.
The interview base is widened to include minorities, not replaced by minorities. go back , reread before you start getting all upset about NOTHING.

Show me the rule where minorities were excluded in the first place

 

[firegiver]

Show me the rule where minorities were excluded in the first place

it was in the country club locker room.
at the klan meetings
at the banks
redlining
everywhere...

 

[baltimorened]

It’s not meritocracy if you aren’t picking from the best field. By excluding some people based on their skin color, you automatically have a less meritocratic field to choose from.


No surprise to me you practice racism. Democrats are proud racists, they do it right out in the open.

The funny thing is I’d bet you are a white male, your policy will come back to eat you and your offspring in the future.

I'm not sure you understood the post - or maybe I didn't. But my experience was the same as firegiver's...HR had the responsibility to get the candidates...we worked to bring in minority candidates as part of the "pool"...but the decision on who to hire was mine

 

[tigres88]

I'm not sure you understood the post - or maybe I didn't. But my experience was the same as firegiver's...HR had the responsibility to get the candidates...we worked to bring in minority candidates as part of the "pool"...but the decision on who to hire was mine

This is exactly what DEI is when implemented correctly.

 

[fatpiggy]

it was in the country club locker room.
at the klan meetings
at the banks
redlining
everywhere...

Should be easy for you to post then. We will be waiting.

 

[fatpiggy]

I'm not sure you understood the post - or maybe I didn't. But my experience was the same as firegiver's...HR had the responsibility to get the candidates...we worked to bring in minority candidates as part of the "pool"...but the decision on who to hire was mine

Do you think DEI stops there? I don’t and I can provide a mountain of evidence to suggest it doesn’t.

 

[LafayetteBear]

owners want to win, fans want to win, players want to win, I'm of the belief that if @LafayetteBear could coach a team to the super bowl, he'd be a candidate for NFL head coach no matter if he was white, black, yellow, or green

Who says I haven't?

 

[LafayetteBear]

Can you provide examples of DEI done well?

How is discriminating based on race done well?

The Rooney Rule.

 

[Aardvark86]

This is the first time I don’t even really understand what you are even trying to say. I don’t want to respond with something smart because I’m not trolling .

I’m genuinely interested in hearing your opinion on DEI because you are clearly in tune with the legal world.

But how can you justify DEI when the civil rights act exists ?

What DEI policy has ever helped a white person?

Piggy, I take questions in good faith at face value, until i don't, and you're not at that point. So all good between us, at least on this thread.

DEI has absolutely helped me. When Jr. went away to college, I gave him a book of "ABC" advice. Included in that advice - probably under the letter "L" - was a comment to the effect that a true leader is a person who understands his team and puts them in the best position to succeed, which will inure to the benefit of the leader indirectly. In my case, good DEI programming has absolutely helped me, the old white guy, to tune his ear better to the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats that my team faces and has faced personally, and to structure and deploy them appropriately. Again, sometimes those barriers arise out of "traditional" DEI categories like race and sex, and sometimes they don't. The point is, they're the same regardless of source or degree. (Side note - my daughter has a physical disability, and as a parent, you think your kid's affliction is the worst thing in the world. I did, until I went to a therapeutic riding show my daughter was participating in, and saw some of the other kids who were way worse off physically, but then I realized that qualitatively, it was the same -- just the delta between what we aspire to and what we can actually do.) And to a surprising degree, the tools that have been effectively used to deal with personal barriers are universal in terms of both availability, use, and application, regardless of the barrier context.

Again, I've seen plenty of bad DEI too, that not only doesn't help, but hurts. But in the net, a positive.

 

[yoshi121374]

Piggy, I take questions in good faith at face value, until i don't, and you're not at that point. So all good between us, at least on this thread.

DEI has absolutely helped me. When Jr. went away to college, I gave him a book of "ABC" advice. Included in that advice - probably under the letter "L" - was a comment to the effect that a true leader is a person who understands his team and puts them in the best position to succeed, which will inure to the benefit of the leader indirectly. In my case, good DEI programming has absolutely helped me, the old white guy, to tune his ear better to the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats that my team faces and has faced personally, and to structure and deploy them appropriately. Again, sometimes those barriers arise out of "traditional" DEI categories like race and sex, and sometimes they don't. The point is, they're the same regardless of source or degree. (Side note - my daughter has a physical disability, and as a parent, you think your kid's affliction is the worst thing in the world. I did, until I went to a therapeutic riding show my daughter was participating in, and saw some of the other kids who were way worse off physically, but then I realized that qualitatively, it was the same -- just the delta between what we aspire to and what we can actually do.) And to a surprising degree, the tools that have been effectively used to deal with personal barriers are universal in terms of both availability, use, and application, regardless of the barrier context.

Again, I've seen plenty of bad DEI too, that not only doesn't help, but hurts. But in the net, a positive.

Great post, sadly it won't matter with him. I have made almost the same post as have others and he just pivots back to his slogan ," DEI is racism against whites".

As I said, it's just not worth it. He also blocks people who literally make him look like the troll that he is.

 

[Aardvark86]

Great post, sadly it won't matter with him. I have made almost the same post as have others and he just pivots back to his slogan ," DEI is racism against whites".

As I said, it's just not worth it. He also blocks people who literally make him look like the troll that he is.

In my mind, there is also an important flip side of the coin to my view of DEI.

Just as everybody's got their suffering, from whatever source (and hence, I tend to ignore or reject rhetorical inquiries like the firegiver's question about whether a person would want to switch places), everybody's also got their privilege in one form or another too, so there's no sense being ashamed of it or feeling the need to "check it".

For my part, I consider myself to be among the luckier people on earth - I was put up for adoption as a newborn by a woman who I'll never know rather than being aborted. "Life" versus, well, ... "not" ... is what you call being staked to an insurmountable lead early in the first quarter. Never going to be ashamed of that, or the (equally as lucky) love i received from the parents who adopted me.

 

[fatpiggy]

DEI was / is race based discrimination and it violates the Civil Rights act

 

[fatpiggy]

DEI = government endorsed racial discrimination.


We all know it.

Racism against White People.

 

[fatpiggy]

Piggy, I take questions in good faith at face value, until i don't, and you're not at that point. So all good between us, at least on this thread.

DEI has absolutely helped me. When Jr. went away to college, I gave him a book of "ABC" advice. Included in that advice - probably under the letter "L" - was a comment to the effect that a true leader is a person who understands his team and puts them in the best position to succeed, which will inure to the benefit of the leader indirectly. In my case, good DEI programming has absolutely helped me, the old white guy, to tune his ear better to the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats that my team faces and has faced personally, and to structure and deploy them appropriately. Again, sometimes those barriers arise out of "traditional" DEI categories like race and sex, and sometimes they don't. The point is, they're the same regardless of source or degree. (Side note - my daughter has a physical disability, and as a parent, you think your kid's affliction is the worst thing in the world. I did, until I went to a therapeutic riding show my daughter was participating in, and saw some of the other kids who were way worse off physically, but then I realized that qualitatively, it was the same -- just the delta between what we aspire to and what we can actually do.) And to a surprising degree, the tools that have been effectively used to deal with personal barriers are universal in terms of both availability, use, and application, regardless of the barrier context.

Again, I've seen plenty of bad DEI too, that not only doesn't help, but hurts. But in the net, a positive.

I’ll strongly disagree that any good comes out of racial discrimination. And that’s exactly what it is.

There is no good way to violate someone’s civil rights.

The road to hell was paved with good intentions and DEI, whether intentional or not, discriminates against white people. This is proven in the data.

DEI = Poison.

 

[fatpiggy]

Can someone answer me this?

Is it possible to implement DEI without knowing someone’s race?

If the answer is yes, why isn’t that being done?

If the answer is No, then that is an admission that Civil Rights are being violated.

 

[yoshi121374]

Can someone answer me this?

Is it possible to implement DEI without knowing someone’s race?

If the answer is yes, why isn’t that being done?

If the answer is No, then that is an admission that Civil Rights are being violated.

Yes. You have no idea what DEI actually is. You continue to equate DEI with quotas which aren't the same thing.

Fatpiggy is still convinced it's hard to be a straight white Christian Male in America.

 

[Aardvark86]

I’ll strongly disagree that any good comes out of racial discrimination. And that’s exactly what it is.

There is no good way to violate someone’s civil rights.

The road to hell was paved with good intentions and DEI, whether intentional or not, discriminates against white people. This is proven in the data.

DEI = Poison.

Piggy,

I know easter is just recently behind us, but a little surprised to see you resurrect this thread. My point is that DEI, properly run, doesn't have to discriminate on race at all. There are an infinite variety of crosses that people have to bear, and how they do so is the important point.

But separately, since we're on the topic, if you really want something interesting to watch on the trendlines from a legal perspective consistent with your thinking (or even to kvetch over in a separate post!), take a look at the $17MM civil False Claims Act settlement that DOJ recently entered into the other day with IBM. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ibm-...-discrimination-through-illegal-dei-practices. Now to be clear, $17MM is a drop in the bucket as FCA settlements go and just a cost to make it go away, and I'm 100% certain this was entered into as much to send a signal as anything else. (Indeed, the settlement contains no future conduct remedies to my knowledge, just money.)

That said:
1. To my knowledge (and setting aside the facts), this is the first time that a corporate DEI program was alleged to violate the standard government contracts clauses and representations relating to Title VI compliance, and thereby the FCA. These clauses are quite literally incorporated into every government contract and grant.
2. Here's the potentially explosive kicker: the False Claims Act contains qui tam provisions which allow individual private party whistleblowers to bring lawsuits on behalf of the government, and individual whistleblowers get a piece of the proceeds of the lawsuit (usually up to 20%). The "proceeds" are calculated as 3x actual damages (eg, the amount of the federal contract payments), plus like $20k per invoice submitted by the contractor, plus attorneys fees. Some day this will all be litigated (eg, materiality of conditions to payment, whether DEI as alleged actually violates the law, etc.), but in the near term, DOJ is sending a signal to the whistleblower and plaintiffs' employment attorney bar that it is open for business and that they have a new and extraordinarily powerful tool at their disposal. And those tools are likely to allow the plaintiffs bar to make a lot more money than a simple wrongful termination suit. Disgruntled white guys may be the new plaintiffs.

 

[fatpiggy]

Piggy,

I know easter is just recently behind us, but a little surprised to see you resurrect this thread. My point is that DEI, properly run, doesn't have to discriminate on race at all. There are an infinite variety of crosses that people have to bear, and how they do so is the important point.

But separately, since we're on the topic, if you really want something interesting to watch on the trendlines from a legal perspective consistent with your thinking (or even to kvetch over in a separate post!), take a look at the $17MM civil False Claims Act settlement that DOJ recently entered into the other day with IBM. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ibm-...-discrimination-through-illegal-dei-practices. Now to be clear, $17MM is a drop in the bucket as FCA settlements go and just a cost to make it go away, and I'm 100% certain this was entered into as much to send a signal as anything else. (Indeed, the settlement contains no future conduct remedies to my knowledge, just money.)

That said:
1. To my knowledge (and setting aside the facts), this is the first time that a corporate DEI program was alleged to violate the standard government contracts clauses and representations relating to Title VI compliance, and thereby the FCA. These clauses are quite literally incorporated into every government contract and grant.
2. Here's the potentially explosive kicker: the False Claims Act contains qui tam provisions which allow individual private party whistleblowers to bring lawsuits on behalf of the government, and individual whistleblowers get a piece of the proceeds of the lawsuit (usually up to 20%). The "proceeds" are calculated as 3x actual damages (eg, the amount of the federal contract payments), plus like $20k per invoice submitted by the contractor, plus attorneys fees. Some day this will all be litigated (eg, materiality of conditions to payment, whether DEI as alleged actually violates the law, etc.), but in the near term, DOJ is sending a signal to the whistleblower and plaintiffs' employment attorney bar that it is open for business and that they have a new and extraordinarily powerful tool at their disposal. And those tools are likely to allow the plaintiffs bar to make a lot more money than a simple wrongful termination suit. Disgruntled white guys may be the new plaintiffs.

DEI, may have started with good intentions, ended up as racism against White people.

We all know it. Yall aren’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. Data doesn’t lie.

 

[Aardvark86]

DEI, may have started with good intentions, ended up as racism against White people.

We all know it. Yall aren’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. Data doesn’t lie.

As I've said repeatedly, there are certainly bad, lazy versions of DEI that do that. But I'm not one to throw babies out with bathwater.

 

[fatpiggy]

As I've said repeatedly, there are certainly bad, lazy versions of DEI that do that. But I'm not one to throw babies out with bathwater.

Disagree that good DEI is the majority of the way it is practiced.

DEI will be a stain on the history of America the likes of slavery. It's poison.

 

[yoshi121374]

As I've said repeatedly, there are certainly bad, lazy versions of DEI that do that. But I'm not one to throw babies out with bathwater.

There is literally no reason to discuss this with him. He has zero experience with an actual DEI training program, but has decided that this is one of the hills he's going to die on.

He isn't a serious person,he leans more into trolling. If you argue long enough and make him look bad, he will block you.

 

[tigres88]

DEI, may have started with good intentions, ended up as racism against White people.

We all know it. Yall aren’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. Data doesn’t lie.

Put this in the mf Hall of Fame! I can't decide if this is the most insane pig boi post ever or the made up story about a trans man who "followed his wife into the bathroom and she had to fight him off" is.

It's a toss up!

 

[TheValley91]

Disagree that good DEI is the majority of the way it is practiced.

DEI will be a stain on the history of America the likes of slavery. It's poison.

So just to be clear, and I doubt you'll actually answer this because you go on random blocking sprees, you think that slavery and DEI are equal negatives on the history of the United States of America?

 

[yoshi121374]

Put this in the mf Hall of Fame! I can't decide if this is the most insane pig boi post ever or the made up story about a trans man who "followed his wife into the bathroom and she had to fight him off" is.

It's a toss up!

I love that story. He claims his wife shoved a trans person who came into a bathroom with her because she was so upset and terrified.

 

[fatpiggy]

Is this the good kind of DEI?

 

[fatpiggy]

Let me guess - this is the good kind of DEI?

What a load of horsesh!t that racist garbage is.

 

[TheValley91]

@fatpiggy

Lets see if you'll respond this time or if I'm still blocked.

Erica Schwartz is now the CDC Director. Based on your beliefs, you see this as DEI correct? Trump is now in favor of DEI per your standard.

 

[fatpiggy]

Another example of the "good" kind of DEI. Bunch of racist as sholes.

California School Excludes White Kids From Segregated 'Social Justice' Field Trip | ZeroHedge

 

[yoshi121374]

Another example of the "good" kind of DEI. Bunch of racist as sholes.

California School Excludes White Kids From Segregated 'Social Justice' Field Trip | ZeroHedge

Not DEI, but keep acting mad while being a racist.

 

[fatpiggy]

DEI - haha this guy is just figuring out what all the rest of us know.

DEI is racism against White People.

DEI is poison. It will go down as one of the biggest wrongs in US History, right next to slavery.

 

[dpic73]

DEI - haha this guy is just figuring out what all the rest of us know.

DEI is racism against White People.

DEI is poison. It will go down as one of the biggest wrongs in US History, right next to slavery.

Did you even listen to the clip? Because there's no way you could infer anything about DEI if you did, unless you're a paranoid piggy.

 

[fatpiggy]

Some more of that good kind of DEI.

Bunch of racist as sholes

 

[fatpiggy]

Joe nails it.

DEI is a racist scam

 

[baltimorened]

DEI - haha this guy is just figuring out what all the rest of us know.

DEI is racism against White People.

DEI is poison. It will go down as one of the biggest wrongs in US History, right next to slavery.

can we start demanding reparations yet??

 

[Moogy]

DEI - haha this guy is just figuring out what all the rest of us know.

DEI is racism against White People.

DEI is poison. It will go down as one of the biggest wrongs in US History, right next to slavery.

Ah, I get it now ... you're trying to act as irrational and ignorant as possible to make MAGAts look bad.

Well done.

 

[fatpiggy]

We can take yesterday’s VRA ruling and go ahead and assume the Rooney rule is illegal.

It’s obvious. Race based discrimination is illegal in the United States.

The Civil Rights Act protects White people too.