Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras

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Can you all stop quoting the village idiot, it really messes up my ignore list curation.

Guys, you need to understand you're arguing with someone who defends Brian Ferentz. You might as well be talking to a brick.
Yeah, he claims he has never defended Brian, but in another thread recently I listed 7 posts of his in that thread alone that each contained at least one statement from him that defended Brian. Clear as day. And he STILL denied it.

I’m sure he’ll reply with some lame retort, but I’m not going to give him the satisfaction of a p*ssing match. I irrefutably proved him wrong in that thread and I am not going over it again.
 

eyesofhawk

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It absolutely was. Stirtz isn’t catching the ball running down the court if they aren’t trying to pressure and deny him the ball. It was high risk high reward and Iowa made them pay.
We've been over the phantom "deny".

But even a denial of Stirtz would not have been a high risk/high reward strategy.

Had Stirtz actually been denied, I'm sure Florida was willing to deal with the risk of trying to complete it to Stirtz, over the top of the pressure. With the inbounder being guarded, most likely that attempt would have resulted in a tough, looping pass, follow by a tough, contested catch.

No matter what, Florida used a strategy that had been given a lot of thought, and that they felt gave them their best chance to win.

Would Florida attempt to use the same strategy in that situation again? Maybe, maybe not. Almost certainly, Iowa's play would not again be successful, after Florida has seen it. But it's still possible Florida could have learned something about the coverage that they don't love, and decide a different approach would give them their best chance next time.

But we can still be completely sure that a lot of thought went into what they deemed to be their best strategy. They may now be able to split hairs over some things. But, at no point was the strategy out of left field. At no point, was it ever high risk/high reward. (For one thing, the reward remains a constant, no matter what the strategy)
 

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Yeah, he claims he has never defended Brian, but in another thread recently I listed 7 posts of his in that thread alone that each contained at least one statement from him that defended Brian. Clear as day. And he STILL denied it.

I’m sure he’ll reply with some lame retort, but I’m not going to give him the satisfaction of a p*ssing match. I irrefutably proved him wrong in that thread and I am not going over it again.
Nevermind the evidence I cited in dispute of your claim.

Again, no need for opinions here. The facts can all be found in the "McNutt out" thread, for anyone who's interested, which I'm sure is no one
 

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Fredo, there is a consensus of people with an actual basketball IQ.
You are on the other side of that opinion. It’s okay to be wrong like you are and admit it. Doubling down on being wrong is not a great look for you but you have demonstrated that being wrong doesn’t bother you.
When you have no facts you resort to Smiley emojis
 
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We've been over the phantom "deny".

But even a denial of Stirtz would not have been a high risk/high reward strategy.

Had Stirtz actually been denied, I'm sure Florida was willing to deal with the risk of trying to complete it to Stirtz, over the top of the pressure. With the inbounder being guarded, most likely that attempt would have resulted in a tough, looping pass, follow by a tough, contested catch.

No matter what, Florida used a strategy that had been given a lot of thought, and that they felt gave them their best chance to win.

Would Florida attempt to use the same strategy in that situation again? Maybe, maybe not. Almost certainly, Iowa's play would not again be successful, after Florida has seen it. But it's still possible Florida could have learned something about the coverage that they don't love, and decide a different approach would give them their best chance next time.

But we can still be completely sure that a lot of thought went into what they deemed to be their best strategy. They may now be able to split hairs over some things. But, at no point was the strategy out of left field. At no point, was it ever high risk/high reward. (For one thing, the reward remains a constant, no matter what the strategy)
i ain’t reading all that

i’m happy for u tho

or sorry that happened
 

eyesofhawk

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When you have no facts you resort to Smiley emojis
You continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

No, I'm not going to repeat myself, to that extent, by responding every time to you. You have proven, in more than one thread, to be a colossal waste of time.

And it was a laughing emoji. As in, me, laughing at your dumb ***
 

eyesofhawk

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Did you eat paint chips as a kid? Of course he was no longer in position, because his jock was already on the floor. It’s called being out-executed.
No. Nothing out-executed an attempt at a denial. Because Stirtz fake cut AWAY from the ball, that does not beat a denial (unless the ball is thrown to him, over the top).

What took Fland out of denial position was either:
1. By rule (trumping the denial), or
2. By lack of execution, on Fland's part, if the assignment in fact, remained to deny.

Iowa's action did not force Fland to give up the denial.

And as explained several times, all of that action was irrelevant to the main complaint people have expressed.

And that complaint simply isn't applicable, as Fland was never in a denial position during Stirtz' ball-cut
 

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You continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

world of warcraft legion GIF
 

Cidhawkeye

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You continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

No, I'm not going to repeat myself, to that extent, by responding every time to you. You have proven, in more than one thread, to be a colossal waste of time.

And it was a laughing emoji. As in, me, laughing at your dumb ***
When you have facts to support your position that’s what I post. I have linked to experts that support my position.
You have linked to …….. well….. you

Links to multiple experts>>>>>>>> your link to your opinion

Fredo you should try to find some experts to support your position. It should be easy enough. Unfortunately the top experts disagree with you
 

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When you have facts to support your position that’s what I post. I have linked to experts that support my position.
You have linked to …….. well….. you

Links to multiple experts>>>>>>>> your link to your opinion

Fredo you should try to find some experts to support your position. It should be easy enough. Unfortunately the top experts disagree with you
Well done again, broken record.

If I had a link to the play that showed the entire action, I would have linked it a long time ago, and you idiots would have shut up.

Do me a favor. Don't post again until you have gone back to the game broadcast and watched the play.

And again, who do you think is more of an expert:
Kirk Ferentz, when it comes to his own team;
or media, that is not in the locker room with teams, on a day-to-day basis, and clearly never rewatched the play they are commenting on?
Why is KF's opinion about his own team not of significance to you?
 

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Well done again, broken record.

If I had a link to the play that showed the entire action, I would have linked it a long time ago, and you idiots would have shut up.

Do me a favor. Don't post again until you have gone back to the game broadcast and watched the play.

And again, who do you think is more of an expert:
Kirk Ferentz, when it comes to his own team;
or media, that is not in the locker room with teams, on a day-to-day basis, and clearly never rewatched the play they are commenting on?
Why is KF's opinion about his own team not of significance to you?
Fredo, Fredo, Fredo
I would settle for a link from an expert saying ‘Florida was in the correct defense, played it exactly like they should’

You haven’t supported your position. You breaking the play down and stating why you think it happened the way it did is pretty irrelevant. You haven’t demonstrated any semblance of basketball IQ. You declaring yourself an expert isn’t support.
Facts/consensus of experts or your opinion? Still going with facts/consensus of experts.
One of us has supported their opinion. The other is you.
 

eyesofhawk

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Fredo, Fredo, Fredo
I would settle for a link from an expert saying ‘Florida was in the correct defense, played it exactly like they should’

You haven’t supported your position. You breaking the play down and stating why you think it happened the way it did is pretty irrelevant. You haven’t demonstrated any semblance of basketball IQ. You declaring yourself an expert isn’t support.
Facts/consensus of experts or your opinion? Still going with facts/consensus of experts.
One of us has supported their opinion. The other is you.
Good trolling, I guess. You can't possibly be this dumb
 

Cidhawkeye

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Good trolling, I guess. You can't possibly be this dumb
I do feel a little dumb matching wits with the unarmed. I suffer fools poorly and you definitely fit the role of the fool. Get back to me when you have something…… other than your opinion……. that supports your opinion. Should be easy enough if it was the correct decision. Until then, blather on Fredo
 

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Yeah, he claims he has never defended Brian, but in another thread recently I listed 7 posts of his in that thread alone that each contained at least one statement from him that defended Brian. Clear as day. And he STILL denied it.

I’m sure he’ll reply with some lame retort, but I’m not going to give him the satisfaction of a p*ssing match. I irrefutably proved him wrong in that thread and I am not going over it again.
He's so impossibly obtuse that it almost seems willful. That said, calling him an S-tier troll gives him too much credit — however admirable the commitment to the bit.
 

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You don't think I know what I've posted and what I have not? 🤣
Do you?

I am reasonably confident you don't remember most of what you post. You post some asinine contrarian take, then double down on it ad nauseam. When called out, you play the hit 'read better' and spout more inane sh*t to obfuscate your initial "point."
 

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Do you?

I am reasonably confident you don't remember most of what you post. You post some asinine contrarian take, then double down on it ad nauseam. When called out, you play the hit 'read better' and spout more inane sh*t to obfuscate your initial "point."
Well, if I can't remember, it's a good thing the posts are all archived. They speak for themselves.

I am reasonably confident that I feel sorry for you, if you aren't able to take others at face value when speaking of their OWN thoughts.

I've stated many times that I didn't much care for BF, as an OC.

Read better
 

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Well, if I can't remember, it's a good thing the posts are all archived. They speak for themselves.

I am reasonably confident that I feel sorry for you, if you aren't able to take others at face value when speaking of their OWN thoughts.

I've stated many times that I didn't much care for BF, as an OC.

Read better
Do they though?

Good for you, but I don't give a sh*t what you've said about BF. I was commenting about you as a poster. Read better.
 

eyesofhawk

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Do they though?

Good for you, but I don't give a sh*t what you've said about BF. I was commenting about you as a poster. Read better.
Maybe I need to read minds better. Because our string of posts clearly starts with you commenting on a post that claimed I've been defending BF
 

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Maybe I need to read minds better. Because our string of posts clearly starts with you commenting on a post that claimed I've been defending BF
Maybe, or maybe be a better troll.

Congrats, it did start there; however, it's something called Yes, and. A novel concept for a contrarian, I know, but you should try it.
 
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1:30:18.

Finally, a link that shows the entire action of the play.

And EXACTLY as I've been telling you all; at no point during Stirtz' ball-cut was Fland in a denial position.

You're all welcome that someone actually cares about accuracy.

It's only one of the biggest moments in Hawkeye sports history. Would be a shame if it were still wildly mischaracterized 39 years from now, like the the Dr. Tom UNLV narratives have been
 
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1:30:18.

Finally, a link that shows the entire action of the play.

And EXACTLY as I've been telling you all; at no point during Stirtz' ball-cut was Fland in a denial position.

You're all welcome that someone actually cares about accuracy.

It's only one of the biggest moments in Hawkeye sports history. Would be a shame if it were still wildly mischaracterized 39 years from now, like the the Dr. Tom UNLV narratives have been

Wtf are you talking about. Come out and he’s face guarding him with back to basket. Before in bound stirtz took few steps forward and fland back peddled. Then when Koch got the ball he faked going deep and fland bit and he got him moving forward and was able to then run off Tate and get the ball with a full head of steam with fland chasing.

great job by stirtz to create separation and awful denial job by fland. You are like the defense lawyer who submits evidence that helps the prosecution. So thanks for posting….

And my rebuttal before what ever crazy excuse you make we all have eyes and can clearly see what happened. Well most of us…
 
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Wtf are you talking about. Come out and he’s face guarding him with back to basket. Before in bound stirtz took few steps forward and fland back peddled. Then when Koch got the ball he faked going deep and fland bit and he got him moving forward and was able to then run off Tate and get the ball with a full head of steam with fland chasing.

great job by stirtz to create separation and awful denial job by fland. You are like the defense lawyer who submits evidence that helps the prosecution. So thanks for posting….

And my rebuttal before what ever crazy excuse you make we all have eyes and can clearly see what happened. Well most of us…
So, you aren’t contending one bit of how I've described the play.

Funny how that all of the sudden happens once a link to the entire action has been posted.

The significance of what actually happened, vs the narratives that have been imposed, has been explained MANY times
 
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So, you aren’t contending one bit of how I've described the play.

Funny how that all of the sudden happens once a link to the entire action has been posted.

The significance of what actually happened, vs the narratives that have been imposed, has been explained MANY times
  1. Florida player in denial defense to start the action against Stirtz,.
  2. Stirtz takes a small step towards the Florida player and then immediately takes a short quick step backwards.
  3. This action causes the Florida player to take a small jab step towards Stirtz which closes the gap BUT gets the Florida player off-balance just enough to allow Stirtz to get a step around to get ahead of the Florida player and make the play.

That is what I see

HAWKS WON!!!

TIME TO MOVE ON....LET IT GO!!!!!!!
 

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  1. Florida player in denial defense to start the action against Stirtz,.
  2. Stirtz takes a small step towards the Florida player and then immediately takes a short quick step backwards.
  3. This action causes the Florida player to take a small jab step towards Stirtz which closes the gap BUT gets the Florida player off-balance just enough to allow Stirtz to get a step around to get ahead of the Florida player and make the play.

That is what I see

HAWKS WON!!!

TIME TO MOVE ON....LET IT GO!!!!!!!
Yes, that's what I see as well.

And that's nothing different than what I've already described, with a slight but important distinction needed within your point #3. You say Fland's reaction to Stirtz' fake towards his basket, "closed the gap". But it's important to make the distinction that Fland's bite on that action took him out of denial position.

Again, it's funny to see how accounts of the play are starting to sound just as I've said all along, once the play has actually been re-watched
 
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No. Nothing out-executed an attempt at a denial. Because Stirtz fake cut AWAY from the ball, that does not beat a denial (unless the ball is thrown to him, over the top).

What took Fland out of denial position was either:
1. By rule (trumping the denial), or
2. By lack of execution, on Fland's part, if the assignment in fact, remained to deny.

Iowa's action did not force Fland to give up the denial.

And as explained several times, all of that action was irrelevant to the main complaint people have expressed.

And that complaint simply isn't applicable, as Fland was never in a denial position during Stirtz' ball-cut

Yes, that's what I see as well.

And that's nothing different than what I've already described, with a slight but important distinction needed within your point #3. You say Fland's reaction to Stirtz' fake towards his basket, "closed the gap". But it's important to make the distinction that Fland's bite on that action took him out of denial position.

Again, it's funny to see how accounts of the play are starting to sound just as I've said all along, once the play has actually been re-watched

Nice to see you've finally come around after re-watching the play!
 

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Nice to see you've finally come around after re-watching the play!
Yes, it was not Iowa that forced Fland to give up the denial.

AGAIN, what took him out of denial position was:
1. By rule of trump,
or,
2. by Fland's bite (lack of execution).

A jab away from the ball does not beat a denial.

All explained in the exact post you've attached, as I've been saying the exact same thing all along. Read better
 
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Yes, it was not Iowa that forced Fland to give up the denial.

AGAIN, what took him out of denial position was:
1. By rule of trump,
or,
2. by Fland's bite (lack of execution).

A jab away from the ball does not beat a denial.

All explained in the exact post you've attached, as I've been saying the exact same thing all along. Read better
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Yes, it was not Iowa that forced Fland to give up the denial.

AGAIN, what took him out of denial position was:
1. By rule of trump,
or,
2. by Fland's bite (lack of execution).

A jab away from the ball does not beat a denial.

All explained in the exact post you've attached, as I've been saying the exact same thing all along. Read better
Leave politics out of it.