Is Big East Best for SHU into the future?
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Should switch to A-10 tbh. If we build right can have better chance winning conference every 3-5 years and can get 6-11 seed without BS committee process towards their football schools.
It may not be the best for the short term future, but the long term will have it's ups and downs just like SHU basketball has ad for the first 45+ years of the big east. I wouldn't want to see run scared of a challenge.
And where would we play? The Rock would be a massive loss.
The step down would be to the MAAC.
Therefore, we make the Big East work.
Haha if we drop from the BE we would not be CLOSE to A10 level
We are barely a d1 athletics department
The current system is not sustainable. Weather the storm until the majority of schools involved demand change. Right now there’s just a lot of whining but that will change.
You think people are donating for and attending games against Richmond, Duquesne, and La salle? Have you seen the attendance against big east teams?? Everything would fall off a cliff. So delusional.
The question is when will the power four conferences take UConn, Villanova and maybe St John’s out of the Big East. The Big East is to be made irrelevant. The power 4 conferences want that. Big time college athletics will be just those conferences who will have all the tv deals and money. The Big East will be irrelevant in a couple of years and so will most of the schools in the Big East.
This is really the thing. We do not own an A-10-worthy facility, and membership in that league would not align with continuing to play at The Rock. And Walsh would also be a bottom-tier gym in the MAAC.
It’s Big East or bust. And bust is an option.
majority of schools hold no power. power conferences would just exit the ncaa and leave us behind.
We played Friday night in the Big East Tournament. We played St John's and UConn as well as most in the country.
We have an issue now that we have to address. It is being addressed, albeit too slowly for most.
Honestly, there is a group of fans since the inception of the big east have felt we cannot compete. There would be schools lining up to take our place. If we win the correct two or three more games this season we are in the tournament.
We have an issue now that we have to address. It is being addressed, albeit too slowly for most.
Honestly, there is a group of fans since the inception of the big east have felt we cannot compete. There would be schools lining up to take our place. If we win the correct two or three more games this season we are in the tournament.
Bottom-tier gym in the MAAC? Walsh is a bottom-tier gym when compared to most group 4 high school gyms.
We have to stay in the big east until whatever happens to it happens. The question is do you make the investment to compete at the top of the league or if you don’t, be prepared for I’m more challenging time to breakthrough and make the dance.
Man would hate to see this boards comments if it was around in the early big east days.
Big East or bust. Not even a worthwhile conversation.
I don't get why people are thinking it is outlandish. Fordham plays in A-10 and play in like a colonial style court on campus. If we can keep playing in the Rock, I do not see an issue moving to A-10. It is clear we can not sign and compete against bigger schools in Big East and we have an equal advantage moving to A-10 and can actually be where we were from 2016-2022. If you can find right amount of money we can compete with VCU, Dayton, and St.Louis.
We don't have the money to be truly competitive in the Big East. The new landscape in college hoops sees us falling further behind by the year. Our current position is unsustainable.
Other than not having a suitable venue in which to play, we fit the profile of the MAAC. That's where we probably belong long-term. I don't have an answer as to where we could play. A skilled AD should be able to figure that out.
Other than not having a suitable venue in which to play, we fit the profile of the MAAC. That's where we probably belong long-term. I don't have an answer as to where we could play. A skilled AD should be able to figure that out.
I have to agree. Unless there’s major changes to the funding, transfer rules, salary caps, etc etc. Seton hall will not be able to legitimately compete. A season like we just had is probably about as good as it can get.
Don’t forget the Big East is generally a mid major in all other sports anyway so it won’t hurt them too much.
We can’t compete against teams of 5 star players and all Americans when we have 10 new guys every year. At least most teams in the A-10 go thru what we do and we’d be more equal with recruiting.
The old guard around here will never admit it, they think just sending more and more $250 donations will do the trick, but deep down they know it’s true.
The big east is nowhere near mid major in any other sport and we are bt far the worst of that worst
We could never compete at any level in the A10
Again we are barely a D1 athletics program
We have to stay in the BE and try and figure it out
2025 big east men's soccer had 4 at large bids
We finished 4th place in a power conference. Leaving the BE for a mid major existence is unthinkable. If wise and aggressive with fundraising, we could actually make money in the BE if we have sustained success. Remember, America is a sports-crazed culture.
And if one of Dayton, St. Louis, or VCU leaves, it literally gives us better shot to get bids for me. At least we don't have pressure dealing with Big east schedule and at least money and competition is evened out too.
Like people have said, it's a new game and we see how corrupt and soulless it will become. It is turning NCAA into NCAA football galore. We will be like Depaul if we stay in Big East. Go to A-10 it can still be hard but have more faith we can tournament 2-3 season in a row, miss two years, but come back. Like if VCU leaves and we replace them, we can be similar to them or Dayton if you ask me.
If our roster was in A-10 we probably in the tournament cause I know we would beat one or two of Dayton, VCU and St. Louis. Only thing is we will mostly be seeded 7-12 but I will take that than going through the bias big east has had against them since NIL has started.
How would we not compete? Fordham has a campus arena that dates back to colonial era lol. We will be fine especially if we still play at the Rock. I'm not scared of other schools like St. Josephs, Rhode Island, Davidson, etc.
If this is how NCAA will be, trying to pretend we are a power conference team is like pretending you are part of a frat, but they don't respect you one bit lol.
A-10 I would feel like we had a chance like from 2016-2022 and wouldn't feel we have an extreme disadvantage compared to UCONN, Nova, and now St.Johns.
We will replace one of VCU, Dayton, and St. Louis, and for me we can replace their production. Add that even if two or three of them leave, we can get new programs that can also grow there.
At least with A-10 expecations would be low risk high reward and if they keep showing games on networks like USA,it is decent coverage for SH ball.
I rather be Big East, but it's NCAA's fault with the NIL culture that has been implemented.
Everyone is acting like Seton Hall is alone in this situation….. so, so many other schools are in the same boat, including a bunch in the Big East. Changes are coming….. when and what are the only questions.
For those that want to ludicrously go to A-10, it would be the equivalent of lighting the basketball program on fire. A death blow.
Fordham's basketball program is a joke. Using them as a guide to a course to be taken is like driving a car off a cliff.
Now is not the time to do anything dramatic. Hold the line for a few years to see if collective bargaining happens. A lot of people think it will. If nothing happens, and it doesn't make financial sense to continue trying to act like a high major, then reassess.
"If our roster was in the A-10".... allow me to stop you right there. No Big East TV money, no Big East roster in the A-10. Please.
And that’s with a school like Dayton who I believe is regularly in the top 20-25 in the country when it comes to fan attendance. Their fan support for games seems to destroy ours.
You think baseball and softball compete with the ACC, SEC and Big 12? Come on man. The big east gets man handled by those teams. The Big East is absolutely mid major in all other sports. Exception for maybe Men’s soccer as a whole.
I guess you don’t read well
Nowhere near mid-major because it’s WAY worse
Try again
Lol ok
Fordham is also terrible btw so your litmus is among the worst teams in the a-10 that makes sense
But you miss the point, but it doesn’t matter whatever you say is true
For the year ended 06/30/24, Seton Hall received $4,742,928 from the Big East.
For the year ended 06/30/24, the average Atlantic 10 program received $287,902
Where do I LOL??
For the year ended 06/30/24, the average Atlantic 10 program received $287,902
Where do I LOL??
It is definitely the NCAA fault. They screwed athletes for years under the amateur argument. Now it is all a huge mess.
Still screwing everybody by not calling Revenue Sharing/NIL pay to play.
I agree we have to stay in the BE but this is strange logic. We are not able to compete in the A10 so we have to stay in the Big East since we are barely a D1 program. LOL.
It’s like saying someone who play in the NBA at a lower level needs to stay in the NBA because he can’t compete in the G League. Huh?!
Has any other program willingly stepped down to a much lower league in recent times?
What a loser business plan.
What a loser business plan.