Florida was in the wrong defense and played it incorrectly, while Iowa made the right decision.
Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras
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Florida was in the wrong defense and played it incorrectly, while Iowa made the right decision.
Already been addressed in the thread.
Chuck got it wrong. Of course he knows ball. But clearly, he needed to watch the play again.
And Chuck has lost a lot of weight. Not fair anymore to call him the "concensus".
Again, the fact that you don't have your own words on the matter, tells me you don't know what you're watching.
I do give you credit for at least listening to an expert this time. But he's only one expert. And he happened to be too lazy to get this one right
In post #97, I've attached it above for convinience, did you not imply Florida tipping their defense during the timeout?
If so, how would they have done that while huddled on their bench?
Not true.
Regardless, his point delegitimizes your claim that it was choreographed on the fly
In the wrong D and played it incorrectly? Pick one.
I get it. You're searching. Kind of like when you implied Iowa choreographed the play on the fly, then switched to implying Florida tipped their D during the timeout (while sitting on their bench, of course).
Just stop
It means I am looking forward to reading 6,248 posts about the LSU defensive secondary breakdown that allowed a senior to score his first touchdown after the clock expired in his final game.
Clark get it wrong again.
Have you found experts who support your position? Feel free to share those.
Going to be proactive based upon your history
you are not considered an expert and self linking your posts won’t suffice.
‘Bizarre strategy sets up Iowa winner
There will be a new champion in 2026 after Iowa stunned No. 1 Florida with a late winner to advance to the Sweet 16. Before we tackle the entire game, we must ask one pertinent question: why did the Gators full-court press the nation's 4th-slowest team up two with 8.9 seconds to play?There's really only one way you can go the length of the floor and get an uncontested shot in 8.9 seconds: catching the ball with a running start ahead of your defender. That doesn't happen if he is picked up at half, but for some reason, Todd Golden had the Gators covering the entire court in this situation.’
oops
Uh oh, more non basketball people.
Bruce Pearl, Jamal Mashburn question Todd Golden’s analytical approach to final possession vs. Iowa
Actually there's nothing I know better than basketball, perhaps maybe myself
What expert wrote that? Lol.
Dude, picking up at half court, in that spot, is a strategy used by almost no one these days. I'm sorry if you don't know/believe that. I don't know what else to tell you. That's reality
@Franisdaman start a new folguerias thread, this one is shot
If true, I wish him well. College basketball is big business. Iowa needs a true big, which Alvaro is not. Hawks needed to clear cap space for a big, both monetarily and head count.
He had several stellar moments which will go down in Hawkeye lore forever but he also had games where his head just wasn't in the game. He struggled on the road, where we needed him most.
Alvaro will do well in the portal. A perimeter big is hard to find. The portal beat goes on.
He had several stellar moments which will go down in Hawkeye lore forever but he also had games where his head just wasn't in the game. He struggled on the road, where we needed him most.
Alvaro will do well in the portal. A perimeter big is hard to find. The portal beat goes on.
Yes he will do fine. He has mojo right now. Expect the appreciative to Hawkeye nation but I am entering the portal letter blah blah blah. I am sure academics will enter into his decision. HA!!! The era of student athlete is gone and never to return.
They're all clueless. Listen to eyesofhawk.
I will sometimes 3/4 soft press to slow the ball down a couple extra seconds, but a hard press right there was absolutely dumb.
I still don't see the reason to believe it was a hard press. Again, Fland immediately gave up his face-guard position, perhaps by rule, when Stirtz faked towards Iowa's basket.
I think almost certainly they were trying to force a deep, non-threatening catch. The ball would have been "allowed" to be inbounded deep in the backcourt. Again, that's quite standard coverage these days.
Again, it wasn't the coverage that got Srirtz open. It's what Iowa did to the coverage
Lol. They were all part of the same broadcast.They're all clueless. Listen to eyesofhawk.
Clearly, they didn't take a moment to rewatch the play. And they are paid to speak, regardless
Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras
Iowa is officially in transfer portal mode after it exited the NCAA tournament in the Elite Eight in the first year under Ben McCollum.www.on3.com
Weren't they guarding the inbounder? I can't remember now. I say it was hard because they were trying to deny Stirtz. As soon as Iowa beat that, Florida was going to give up an open look. Like you said, next to nobody would have guarded that in the way Florida chose to.
Mutual parting of ways IMO. Can get more elsewhere, IA firm on what they would give, inconsistent and too up and down for Coach. Loaded with top talent at his position anyways. Thanks for the run in March and best wishes. Now IA go get a true center to help defend the rim!
At least we can move on and stop speculating. Always a legend in Iowa City.
Goodbye and thank you for the memories!
No. I said the defensive strategy was quite standard.
Yes, Florida was denying the Iowa players when they were initially farther up-court. That's to force Iowa to have to work back towards the ball for the inbound catch. Once deeper in the backcourt, there would no longer have been a full deny.
Again, the strategy is completely common at the higher levels of basketball, as players are so skilled that you must force them to catch it deep in their backcourt/and or moving away from their basket.
Again, Fland immediately gave up the full-deny, biting hard on Stirtz' initial fake cut towards Iowa's basket. It very well could have been his rule to error on not getting beat deep. Either way, he wasn't that interested in the full-deny anymore.
As Stirtz broke back toward the ball. Fland tried to hustle to get back into a position to force the catch farther in the backcourt. That's when Iowa flipped the screen on him.
Yes, the inbounder was guarded. Not exactly sure Florida's reasoning there. Certainly it makes it a tougher inbound, which I do believe was the first thing they were trying to execute. But you'll see teams also opt not to guard the inbounder there.
If they had Iowa scouted to stay at the inbound spot close to Florida's backboard, guarding the inbounder can nearly cut the court in half for the defense, as the Florida's backboard becomes an obstruction to any attempted high pass to the opposite side of the court.
And even if Iowa were to attempt to run the baseline to clear the backboard (which they did), it usually wouldn't have been a threatening action to Florida. Koch still has to negotiate his defender, while running out of passing angle, and hit Stirtz at the perfect moment.
Normally, running the baseline would result in the ball being caught closer to the deep corner, which is exactly what Florida wants. Iowa was able to perfectly manipulate the pieces, and execute with precision and perfect timing to beat the defense.
Credit to Iowa. Doesn't mean Florida didn't play a very common strategy, that gave them the best chance to win
"Lol. They were all part of the same broadcast."
Ummmmm, if you mean they are all basketball experts and you are not than you are correct......... if not, here is a refresher............
Studio Locations and Crews (2026):
- New York (CBS Broadcast Center): Hosts Nate Burleson and Adam Zucker, with analysts Charles Barkley, Clark Kellogg, Kenny Smith, and Renee Montgomery.
- Atlanta (TNT Sports Studios): Host Adam Lefkoe, with analysts Bruce Pearl, Jamal Mashburn, Jalen Rose, and Seth Davis.
They clearly didn't re-watch the play, dumbass.
I'm a basketball expert too and I had to re-watch the play, to be able to see it all with clarity.
Maybe you should try the same and you'll see exactly what has been broken down in this thread.
Additionally, and again:
1. Do you understand that it's common practice to force a less threatening inbounds pass? Yes or no. If not, seriously, google it.
2. You still haven't answered how Ben knew to have the perfect play ready for a defense that made no sense to play.
At least you're quoting experts this time. But learn how to look at the specifics of what actually has happened, rather than relying on what other people think.
You've overlooked a lot of truth in a recent football thread too. Only there, you don't credit the foremost expert of that situation; Kirk Ferentz. Any reason for the contradiction, other than you consistently don't know what you're talking about?
Ummm...is JoesPlace back on HROT with a different handle, reincarnated as a BB expert? Just asking...
Nah, just a dipshit from the football board who didn't think you guys on the basketball board were educated enough, able to read well enough, unaware of the teams current record or that they haven't ran the ball enough. Those that don't understand what I mean, you soon will.
Also a gambling expert. He started a gloating thread about how smart he was during halftime of a college football game. Then the other team came back from a lot down and he lost. And we had like a 12 page thread of him arguing with people about how the fact he lost money didn't mean he really lost the bet. Seriously. It was an HROT classic that sadly never crossed over.
He's the love child of joes place and Kilroy.
Yes guarding the inbound pass was a colossal mistake. Put him up with other 2 guards or half court then he cheats over to try and slow stirtz down on sideline or at worst slides over picks up past half court and leaves a 3 on 3 vs 3 on 2. As Capt dip **** keeps defending it by saying Iowa designed the play against that D. No, It’s a designed play where if inbounded correctly can work against multiple sets, not just the one FL had, as Iowa isn’t this first team to use this criss cross set. It’s not a complex play, yet it is a good call.
it was a good play call to set up gives multiple options a good chance for Iowa to tie or stirtz to get to basket and draw a foul, get a shot one on one, or suck in wing as it happened with defender best bet beat on angle to the basket usually on his hip. What Iowa got shouldn’t have happened. FL first mistake was not dropping front guy, compounded by slow movement and awful angle by stirtz defender (best analogy is db in football letting wr get behind him on 3rd and long, shouldn’t happen and a mental mistake) that led to play. I’m sure McCollum would’ve never dreamed he would have had a 3 on 2 with stirtz having a full head of steam where it forced Fl to pick one of the 2 who no help because 3rd defender was trailing that far. Anyone with bball IQ would say defensive set was garbage. And no confidence everyone I know who coaches said same thing. Score situation (up 2, 8.9 seconds) to have your first 3 aligned and to guard the inbounder on baseline and not floated back to either help who gets the ball with option to rotate back to defend a pass back was plain stupid.
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No, Joe had some substance in his discussions. He actually had some facts. This poster links to himself and thinks that if he repeats things enough it must be true. Oh and he knows more basketball than Bruce Pearl, Jamal Mashburn, Clark Kellog and Charles Barkley.
Joe was a worthy adversary. This poster is like being in a battle of wits with the unarmed.
Both are narcissistic pricks who never think they are wrong and can’t stand not having last word as if it justifies them being right.
How many times are you going to contradict yourself here? And how much are you just blatantly making up?
You realize this is all on video, right?
We've been over this before.
Other posters not having positions strong enough to be supported by responses is not my fault.
It's really not that complicated