If next season is a disaster

BlueVelvetFog

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To be honest I don’t think Sumrall would have come here. He knows how Barney operates. He knows the NIL problem with JMI. He could easily have waited or contacted Barnhart if he really wanted to be here. Obviously, he didn’t.
A complete unknown is all Barnhart can recruit here. No established coach want to work under his system.
Yet we got Stein who could turn out to be awesome
 

BlueBloodKyFan73

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It’s amazing to me anyone actually thinks Mark needs another season and actually thinks he might be able to turn this around. There’s really no way for that to happen because there’s no way he can recruit well enough to sustain even a decent season let alone putting together a great season. There’s no chance Mark can win here. None. It’s been over since the offseason of the first year. Just not many understand why that is.

Mark begins next season losing big and I’d begin immediately back channeling and if continues to the middle, yes, I’d fire him mid season. Given recruiting and his inability to manage the roster, I would have fired him after 2 and there is a ton of justification for it. I wonder how many are going to say “I didn’t say he’d win I said he was getting a third year anyway”, while they backed and backed him and made every excuse they could. Several have the back door excuse card ready to come out. lol.

if Kentucky administration is not right now searching for the next head coach, as we speak, then we are in serious trouble. No serious institution wouldn’t know enough to know he’s finished. It will prove they want a lower bar and less expectations. Forcing this on everyone and hoping half the fanbase enjoys beating Tennessee sometimes instead of competing with our real tier Duke UNC and Kansas. / maybe UConn right now.
i agree with you but no way was Barney going to admit he made the wrong hire he’s not firing him. Barney will put that on the next AD
 
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UKGrad24

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i agree with you but no way was Barney going to admit he made the wrong hire he’s not firing him. Barney will put that on the next AD
Mitch Barnhart is a classic case of a narcissist imo. And I’m not someone who throws that term around without knowing what it means. The signs of narcissism with Barnhart are everywhere, down to the self righteousness and slight rage he have when he’s questioned about obvious issues. He also treats the university like it’s his own shadow, belonging to him and no one else. His vision is all that matters in his mind. And yea guys like that, thy don’t accept mistakes because they don’t think they make any. The mistake is you not understanding the vision, not the issues with the vision itself. It’s not possible in his mind to make errors.

Notice when he said “nah we’re not doing that” and got angry when asked about the issues with collectives. Everyone is doing them, Kentucky needs to be and Kentucky wants to be. But to Mitch, he’s the man that matters for an entire university. His way is the way that matters, and then he gets angry when that position isn’t understood or seen, and rage comes to the forefront. Just like it did in front of all the cameras. It’s classic NPD it’s not hard to see when you know what it is.
 
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You start back channeling like hell at seasons start and get the terms and conditions nailed down and agreed upon with potential hire.Make sure boosters are on board and supportive of the move.
 

Ash Williams

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Should we fire Mark Pope midseason? I noticed in college football, the top tier of teams they fire their guys during the season. Then they spend the rest of the season evaluating who would be the best fit. I feel like this is a tactic we may need to take. You can’t really talk to any college coaches, but you can talk through their agent to feel things out. But I don’t see any point in waiting if it’s looking like we’re gonna be like mid tier SEC team. Or if we get out to a slow start.. Let’s no wait and start looking for a coach. If we want to fix basketball program, that’s probably what we’re gonna have to do..

I know in college basketball usually coaches finish a season. But based on the thin résumé this guy brought, based on limited success last year you could say it was a failure, based on the incoherent speech of our coach, based on the fact that his entire team entered the transfer portal for the draft with the exception of a couple walk on caliber players. Based on the fact, this guy can’t connect with the types of players we need to win titles at Kentucky.. Mark Pope just doesn’t have it. Everybody knows it. We’re being told by the entire team. No one wants to come back.. I think I think a lot of guys wanna play for Kentucky, but they don’t wanna play for Pope. Stokes for instance he’d be a lock for Kentucky if Pope wasn’t the coach.. it’s like that’s what he wants. to go to Kentucky, but then he sees the coach and it’s a hard no
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RedwoodHigh

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Next year will not be a disaster. 25 - 10 is my prediction .
With Moreno - Kam - Chandler- Hawthorne - Noah - Potter- Mo Williams - & 5 new players Kentucky basketball will be similar to the last 2 years
 

CRZ4UK

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Yet we got Stein who could turn out to be awesome
I’m not sure what you’re saying. Is it that you think Barnhart Stole Stein from other schools??
He may turn out to be a Hit. But….,
Kentucky had zero competition for Stein. No other SEC team would consider him.
Youngest HC in the SEC.
Zero HC experience.
It’s a massive gamble only Our AD would take.
Do you know how many hot shot coordinators got HC jobs at mid majors and failed miserably. A lot. steins first job is in the SEC
He had to hire Stoops with zero HC experience. History says Mitch can’t hire an established coach.
 
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JAC71

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I’ll cheer on the team even though I know I’ll get frustrated. I’ll never disparage our players but the coach I’ll criticize. Just have to have the patience to ride one more season out with this coach then it’s on to the next one
 
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Next year will not be a disaster. 25 - 10 is my prediction .
With Moreno - Kam - Chandler- Hawthorne - Noah - Potter- Mo Williams - & 5 new players Kentucky basketball will be similar to the last 2 years
we lost 4 more games than that this year, we would have to sign like 3 all conference level players to go along with those names to improve by that much
 
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Ukbrassowtipin

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I’m not sure what you’re saying. Is it that you think Barnhart Stole Stein from other schools??
He may turn out to be a Hit. But….,
Kentucky had zero competition for Stein. No other SEC team would consider him.
Youngest HC in the SEC.
Zero HC experience.
It’s a massive gamble only Our AD would take.
Its not and wasnt a massive gamble, Stein was a hot name as was Brian Hartline.

And as it goes, the board would be crying their eyes out if a big10 school, who's been winning all the football championships lately, scooped him up. And yes, they were courting him...hes considering one of the most creative offensive minds in football.

And of course, if he went to another small school, and killed it, as sumrall...then ppl, as it goes, would be crying we didn't get him when we had the chance when he then moved on to a major school.

And no, its not some defense of mitch, bc i actually think rich Brooks and Jacob tamme were the ones that put Stein into play
 

Lameguy

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Y'all need to settle down. He's here next season. Let's see what shakes out and go from there. It's going to be rough going I figure, but we'll see.
Good comment, most people on here are delusional at best. Pope had his problems but at the same time basketball has changed and all the major schools have money. Michigan isn’t exactly a blue blood and they dominated this year. So let it play out and we’ll see. Last year the pieces didn‘t fit, the first year they did and both years it was injury after injury. I read the comments in the other threads and people find fault with every player in the portal, I don’t think some will happy regardless of which players we end up with.
 

CRZ4UK

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Its not and wasnt a massive gamble, Stein was a hot name as was Brian Hartline.

And as it goes, the board would be crying their eyes out if a big10 school, who's been winning all the football championships lately, scooped him up. And yes, they were courting him...hes considering one of the most creative offensive minds in football.

And of course, if he went to another small school, and killed it, as sumrall...then ppl, as it goes, would be crying we didn't get him when we had the chance when he then moved on to a major school.

And no, its not some defense of mitch, bc i actually think rich Brooks and Jacob tamme were the ones that put Stein into play
Maybe Stein will work. Maybe not. Where did Hartline end up??
UCF.
That’s a far cry from an SEC school.
Only a small few have ever taken a shot at a coordinator with no HC experience.
 

TheDude73

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Our problem lies in Eli still being president and Mitch still supposedly hanging around. Then whomever disciple he promotes to AD will likely carry on with the same weak approach, giving Pope a massive amount of leash simply because he makes the tournament every year. Even if the new guy has the cojones to fire Pope after next year, he or she will likely copy the old Mitch method of trying to find "nice guy" coaches, or coaches who barely nicked some success at some mid major under the idea they can get them cheap and "give them a chance" to succeed at UK.

We need to wipe the slate clean from top to bottom. Eli needs to freaking retire - what is he, nearly 80? Mitch needs to leave the campus forever. The new president needs to be the one that selects the new AD, not these passive crust cakes. UK's entire sports administration needs to be sprayed and scrubbed clean of this weak sauce.
 
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BigBluefoot

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We will hear the same reasoning for a 4th year for Pope as we heard for a 3rd if Barnhart has any say. And the fact that we are even having this discussion about when to fire him.next season suggests the majority here knows it will probably end badly. I've heard people on here suggest repeatedly that letting a coach go too soon will hurt the programs perception. Meanwhile the UKAA's stubbornness and inability to change course is precisely what is driving our program into the ground.
 
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