@fatpiggy - is this the kind of fraud you want to get rid of?

[Rastafarian]

He’s Not Grifting Anymore. He’s Just Taking It.

Guest article by Dina Doll

www.meidasplus.com

The State Department transferred $1.25 billion in foreign aid to Trump’s Board of Peace, pulling $1 billion from international disaster assistance, $200 million from peacekeeping operations, and $50 million from international organizations. Money that Congress authorized for hurricanes and refugees, moved without a congressional vote, into a fund that Trump created by executive order and controls personally.

filed a $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS over the leak of his tax records by a contractor. The problem, beyond the absurdity of the number, is that Trump controls the government he is suing. He confirmed it himself: “I’m supposed to work out a settlement with myself.” The DOJ attorneys who would defend against this lawsuit serve at his pleasure. Bondi is literally the only thing protecting the American people from Trump’s attempt to steal billions of our hard-earned money.

 

[baltimorened]

He’s Not Grifting Anymore. He’s Just Taking It.

Guest article by Dina Doll

www.meidasplus.com

The State Department transferred $1.25 billion in foreign aid to Trump’s Board of Peace, pulling $1 billion from international disaster assistance, $200 million from peacekeeping operations, and $50 million from international organizations. Money that Congress authorized for hurricanes and refugees, moved without a congressional vote, into a fund that Trump created by executive order and controls personally.

filed a $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS over the leak of his tax records by a contractor. The problem, beyond the absurdity of the number, is that Trump controls the government he is suing. He confirmed it himself: “I’m supposed to work out a settlement with myself.” The DOJ attorneys who would defend against this lawsuit serve at his pleasure. Bondi is literally the only thing protecting the American people from Trump’s attempt to steal billions of our hard-earned money.

here's the thing about your posts...

first of all "reprogramming" funds from one account or line is not illegal. It happens all the time. But, you're right, it does require permission from the Congress. It's not fraud, as such, it's justat it's face, illegal. I would dhave thought though that given our environment, if Trump as doing anything beyond the line of the law, democrats would have been all over it. So, absent that, that might lead me to think there's more to this

Next, release of tax records is illegal, and we know somebody released/leaked Trump's returns because Rachel Madow had them on MSNBC. So, Trump is a citizen who is entitled to redress for this unlawful activity. So no fraud there. Now, is a good look from a taxpayer's perspective ...Hell No. He's already got $$billions, does he need more? If I were him, I wouldn't do this. But, if I were him I wouldn't do a lot of things he does.

 

[Rastafarian]

here's the thing about your posts...

first of all "reprogramming" funds from one account or line is not illegal. It happens all the time. But, you're right, it does require permission from the Congress. It's not fraud, as such, it's justat it's face, illegal. I would dhave thought though that given our environment, if Trump as doing anything beyond the line of the law, democrats would have been all over it. So, absent that, that might lead me to think there's more to this

Next, release of tax records is illegal, and we know somebody released/leaked Trump's returns because Rachel Madow had them on MSNBC. So, Trump is a citizen who is entitled to redress for this unlawful activity. So no fraud there. Now, is a good look from a taxpayer's perspective ...Hell No. He's already got $$billions, does he need more? If I were him, I wouldn't do this. But, if I were him I wouldn't do a lot of things he does.

ned - the board of peace is a fraudulent organization. Trump transferred funds to it. Illegally, yes. But also fraudulent.

And he is entitled to sue the govt; what is fraudulent is that he is negotiating with himself, which he foolishly said. Do we know the IRS released it? Could it have been any of the likely dozens of others who work on his taxes? But now he can - just take - our tax dollars for himself. It’s a fraudulent suit, but theft.

I don’t have th energy, but we could have a very long discussion about all the fraud he has committed. So when someone yells about eliminating fraud, perhaps the first place they should look is the person they vote for and continue to support.

 

[dpic73]

here's the thing about your posts...

first of all "reprogramming" funds from one account or line is not illegal. It happens all the time. But, you're right, it does require permission from the Congress. It's not fraud, as such, it's justat it's face, illegal. I would dhave thought though that given our environment, if Trump as doing anything beyond the line of the law, democrats would have been all over it. So, absent that, that might lead me to think there's more to this

Next, release of tax records is illegal, and we know somebody released/leaked Trump's returns because Rachel Madow had them on MSNBC. So, Trump is a citizen who is entitled to redress for this unlawful activity. So no fraud there. Now, is a good look from a taxpayer's perspective ...Hell No. He's already got $$billions, does he need more? If I were him, I wouldn't do this. But, if I were him I wouldn't do a lot of things he does.

Damn Ned he does something wrong just about every single day but unless you haven't noticed, Democrats hold very little power to even issue subpoenas without Republican approval, so it's laughable for you to posit that he must not be bad because Democrats haven't done anything to stop him. And we know the feckless, subservient Republicans won't do a damn thing because they fear his little Twitter thumbs will destroy their careers more than they care about our country or doing the right thing.

I can't wrap my head around how you act like he's normal and can't see that he's clinically insane and an obscenely corrupt force the likes we've never seen and he does it blatantly and openly because he knows no one will stop him. The man needs to be taken out, period, and not defended as if he's normal and righteous.

 

[LafayetteBear]

See my comments in red type.

first of all "reprogramming" funds from one account or line is not illegal. It happens "Reprogramming." So that's what it is called? I thought that funds appropriated by Congress for a specific program or purpose were supposed to be used for that specific program or purpose. Silly me. all the time. But, you're right, it does require permission from the Congress. It's not fraud, as such, it's justat it's face, illegal. I would dhave thought though that given our environment, if Trump as doing anything beyond the line of the law, democrats would have been all over it. So, absent that, that might lead me to think there's more to this Democrats are in the minority in both chambers of Congress. What, exactly, are the Democrats supposed to do about this, other than bring it to the attention of the press or file a lawsuit, given that Republicans in Congress have shown they are unwilling to exercise ANY oversight at all?!! And if you disagree with my comment about GOP oversight in Congress, please let me know what Congressional Republicans are doing about Trump's plans to commit war crimes on Tuesday. November cannot come soon enough..

Next, release of tax records is illegal, and we know somebody released/leaked Trump's returns because Rachel Madow had them on MSNBC. So, Trump is a citizen who is entitled to redress for this unlawful activity. So no fraud there. Now, is a good look from a taxpayer's perspective ...Hell No. He's already got $$billions, does he need more? If I were him, I wouldn't do this. But, if I were him I wouldn't do a lot of things he does. "If I were him, I wouldn't do this." That's some pretty serious criticism there, Ned. LOL.

 

[fatpiggy]

Ai:

This is classic opinion journalism from a strongly partisan source (MeidasTouch has a history of hyperbolic anti-Trump content). While some elements appear rooted in real or reported events, the article heavily spins them into a narrative of outright criminal “theft” without strong evidence of illegality or personal diversion of funds. Here’s a breakdown:



I’ll pass on the article. Thanks for the tag through

 

[dpic73]

Ai:

This is classic opinion journalism from a strongly partisan source (MeidasTouch has a history of hyperbolic anti-Trump content). While some elements appear rooted in real or reported events, the article heavily spins them into a narrative of outright criminal “theft” without strong evidence of illegality or personal diversion of funds. Here’s a breakdown:



I’ll pass on the article. Thanks for the tag through

LOL, Meidas Touch can't be trusted so let me tell you what Catturd has to say.

 

[baltimorened]

Damn Ned he does something wrong just about every single day but unless you haven't noticed, Democrats hold very little power to even issue subpoenas without Republican approval, so it's laughable for you to posit that he must not be bad because Democrats haven't done anything to stop him. And we know the feckless, subservient Republicans won't do a damn thing because they fear his little Twitter thumbs will destroy their careers more than they care about our country or doing the right thing.

I can't wrap my head around how you act like he's normal and can't see that he's clinically insane and an obscenely corrupt force the likes we've never seen and he does it blatantly and openly because he knows no one will stop him. The man needs to be taken out, period, and not defended as if he's normal and righteous.

I was referring to the courts. Democrats have shown their willingness to sue the federal government, but they haven't in this case.

TBH, I'm really not qualified to determine if anybody is "clinically insane". What's normal in our current environment? closing the government, carrying $trillion deficits, chanting communist slogans in American streets, stealing $billions from the government? Seems to me just declaring trump as being "not normal" is kind of selective thinking. In fact, based on actions of some past presidents, I think trump - on some issues - is really not normal, but not in the way you might think or want.

See my comments in red type.

boy bear, you really need to bone up on your "Congress". Yes reprogramming is exactly what it's called, and as I posted it happens all the time. Some program or activity needs more money than what was appropriated, or some might have to much, or some might not be able to spend before it expires, the agency goes to Congress and asks for the money to be reprogrammed...and it normally is approved. what waste appropriated money? This might surprise you, but sometimes Congress doesn't get the funding on $$million/billion programs exactly right. Equate it to the California high speed rail which was to cost $$ billion. What can democrats do? You listed it, if it's illegal file suit.

How much would you like me to criticize.."If he doesn't back off this ludicrous suit, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue". How's that?
If he's legally allowed to sue the government, then what can I, or even you do about it? Serenity now!!!!

 

[dpic73]

I was referring to the courts. Democrats have shown their willingness to sue the federal government, but they haven't in this case.

TBH, I'm really not qualified to determine if anybody is "clinically insane". What's normal in our current environment? closing the government, carrying $trillion deficits, chanting communist slogans in American streets, stealing $billions from the government? Seems to me just declaring trump as being "not normal" is kind of selective thinking. In fact, based on actions of some past presidents, I think trump - on some issues - is really not normal, but not in the way you might think or want.

boy bear, you really need to bone up on your "Congress". Yes reprogramming is exactly what it's called, and as I posted it happens all the time. Some program or activity needs more money than what was appropriated, or some might have to much, or some might not be able to spend before it expires, the agency goes to Congress and asks for the money to be reprogrammed...and it normally is approved. what waste appropriated money? This might surprise you, but sometimes Congress doesn't get the funding on $$million/billion programs exactly right. Equate it to the California high speed rail which was to cost $$ billion. What can democrats do? You listed it, if it's illegal file suit.

How much would you like me to criticize.."If he doesn't back off this ludicrous suit, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue". How's that?
If he's legally allowed to sue the government, then what can I, or even you do about it? Serenity now!!!!

It's scary that his sociopathy has become so normalized that some of us can't even recognize it anymore.

This highly respected medical doctor sees it clearly- really sad that a large part of our population completely overlooks it because they hate libs more than they love our country. The lower life forms on this board prove it every day by bombarding the board and laughing hysterically whenever he insults someone on the left. That matters more to them than our country's well-being and it's sad.

Dr. Vin Gupta
Lung MD | Senior Medical Analyst @MSNOWNews
| Maj @USAirForce | @CFR_org @LungAssociation

 

[baltimorened]

It's scary that his sociopathy has become so normalized that some of us can't even recognize it anymore.

This highly respected medical doctor sees it clearly- really sad that a large part of our population completely overlooks it because they hate libs more than they love our country. The lower life forms on this board prove it every day by bombarding the board and laughing hysterically whenever he insults someone on the left. That matters more to them than our country's well-being and it's sad.

Dr. Vin Gupta
Lung MD | Senior Medical Analyst @MSNOWNews
| Maj @USAirForce | @CFR_org @LungAssociation

so, dpic, is this any different that the first term? Seems as if people were making similar comments back then.

I wonder if this doctor has ever met or spoken with trump? So at the impeachment trial, let's call him as a witness: ever met trump...no; ever spoken with trump...no; ever tested trump for dementia ...no; ever given trump a cognitive test...no; Senator Schiff, see, guilty as charged.

 

[dpic73]

so, dpic, is this any different that the first term? Seems as if people were making similar comments back then.

I wonder if this doctor has ever met or spoken with trump? So at the impeachment trial, let's call him as a witness: ever met trump...no; ever spoken with trump...no; ever tested trump for dementia ...no; ever given trump a cognitive test...no; Senator Schiff, see, guilty as charged.

Well Ned, that's the problem, he clearly and unequivocally proved in his first term that he was a sociopath - have you already forgotten how it ended?

That's why there were countless warnings from generals, people who had worked in the administration and books written by countless authors to flash the warning signs that if he was allowed to run again, it would lead to catastrophe.

That's why he was impeached twice and prosecuted for his many crimes because we knew that if he were re-elected, it would lead to catastrophe.

That's why his own lawyer and many of his most ardent supporters agree that he's totally lost it because he's insane.

These were people who knew him well since you're asking but you wouldn't listen.

That's why we've been shouting from the rooftops for four years because we knew if he was re-elected without another election to worry about and with a a loyal, disreputable team around him to manipulate, he would do irreputable damage to our country and we would never be the same. We see that playing out now.

And no matter what you knew about him, heard about him and witnessed with your own eyes, you decided that none of it was a deal breaker. Now he's tweeting foul-mouth posts about committing war crimes, we're losing all of our allies and our country is going bankrupt while he abuses power to make his family obscenely rich.

This country is fvkked but it's not like you weren't warned so now we'll all have to go down with this ship that we warned you wasn't sea-worthy. That's why the rest of us will never understand.














He has absolutely lost me, in fact I'm eyeing the 25th amendment for him because he's lost his damn mind.

 

[dpic73]

 

[baltimorened]

Well Ned, that's the problem, he clearly and unequivocally proved in his first term that he was a sociopath - have you already forgotten how it ended?

That's why there were countless warnings from generals, people who had worked in the administration and books written by countless authors to flash the warning signs that if he was allowed to run again, it would lead to catastrophe.

That's why he was impeached twice and prosecuted for his many crimes because we knew that if he were re-elected, it would lead to catastrophe.

That's why his own lawyer and many of his most ardent supporters agree that he's totally lost it because he's insane.

These were people who knew him well since you're asking but you wouldn't listen.

That's why we've been shouting from the rooftops for four years because we knew if he was re-elected without another election to worry about and with a a loyal, disreputable team around him to manipulate, he would do irreputable damage to our country and we would never be the same. We see that playing out now.

And no matter what you knew about him, heard about him and witnessed with your own eyes, you decided that none of it was a deal breaker. Now he's tweeting foul-mouth posts about committing war crimes, we're losing all of our allies and our country is going bankrupt while he abuses power to make his family obscenely rich.

This country is fvkked but it's not like you weren't warned so now we'll all have to go down with this ship that we warned you wasn't sea-worthy. That's why the rest of us will never understand.














He has absolutely lost me, in fact I'm eyeing the 25th amendment for him because he's lost his damn mind.

and yet, the American people voted him back into office....so that tells us something either about the democrat platform, the Democrat candidate or what the American people want.

We already know the election system is secure, so at that point in time, knowing everything about trump...this is what we (collective) voted for. We can complain all we want, but .....

 

[fatpiggy]

and yet, the American people voted him back into office....so that tells us something either about the democrat platform, the Democrat candidate or what the American people want.

We already know the election system is secure, so at that point in time, knowing everything about trump...this is what we (collective) voted for. We can complain all we want, but .....

Kamala was the worst candidate in US political history. She was not selected by a democratic vote and would not have finished in the top 3 in a truly contested open primary. She was that bad.

 

[MTTiger19]

Kamala was the worst candidate in US political history. She was not selected by a democratic vote and would not have finished in the top 3 in a truly contested open primary. She was that bad.

You left out the most important and irresponsible part - they did that by choice. They circumvented the system for their DEI puppet intentionally, now everyday is incessant crying about who we have. Idk, maybe put a decent candidate out there so there’s an actual choice. Maybe one that doesn’t think taxpayers should be paying for prisoners to transition while they’re in prison or taxing unrealized gains 36%. That’s a start.

 

[yoshi121374]

You left out the most important and irresponsible part - they did that by choice. They circumvented the system for their DEI puppet intentionally, now everyday is incessant crying about who we have. Idk, maybe put a decent candidate out there so there’s an actual choice. Maybe one that doesn’t think taxpayers should be paying for prisoners to transition while they’re in prison or taxing unrealized gains 36%. That’s a start.

As if it would have made a bit of difference to either of you. You were voting Trump no matter what because he was gonna get the libs.

Hope it was worth it. From recent posts doesn't seem like you feel that it was.

 

[FLaw47]

and yet, the American people voted him back into office....so that tells us something either about the democrat platform, the Democrat candidate or what the American people want.

We already know the election system is secure, so at that point in time, knowing everything about trump...this is what we (collective) voted for. We can complain all we want, but .....

I personally chalk it up to "the memory and rationality of the American voter" plus "incumbent parties had a bloodbath globally that year" so perhaps we can change it to "the memory and rationality of people".

Using only you as an example, I asked you not that long ago why was so extreme about Hillary Clinton when you said you could vote for a moderate Democrat. Now you provided a perfectly plausible explanation of not being able to remember but I'd posit that perhaps you were just simply misinformed, as so many people are. And you're obviously above average at being reasonable.

A better candidate could have potentially won in 2024 (who, I couldn't say) but I blame the voting public for being idiots more than anything else on this.

 

[baltimorened]

I personally chalk it up to "the memory and rationality of the American voter" plus "incumbent parties had a bloodbath globally that year" so perhaps we can change it to "the memory and rationality of people".

Using only you as an example, I asked you not that long ago why was so extreme about Hillary Clinton when you said you could vote for a moderate Democrat. Now you provided a perfectly plausible explanation of not being able to remember but I'd posit that perhaps you were just simply misinformed, as so many people are. And you're obviously above average at being reasonable.

A better candidate could have potentially won in 2024 (who, I couldn't say) but I blame the voting public for being idiots more than anything else on this.

as I've posted before, part of our problem is the primary system. remember, only 27% of American voters identify as either Republican or Democrat (27% each). These are the folks that vote in primaries and nominate their candidates. So 46% of us have no say into who is running. Now, I don't know the % but it seems as if moderate Dems and republicans have somehow fallen either into a minority or at least a smaller majority and as a result we get candidates like we have for the past few elections.

I'd think we'll have exactly the same type of choices next election.

by the way, you have a really good memory of what I've posted. I can't even remember some of what I've said in the past ...must be the age thing

 

[FLaw47]

as I've posted before, part of our problem is the primary system. remember, only 27% of American voters identify as either Republican or Democrat (27% each). These are the folks that vote in primaries and nominate their candidates. So 46% of us have no say into who is running. Now, I don't know the % but it seems as if moderate Dems and republicans have somehow fallen either into a minority or at least a smaller majority and as a result we get candidates like we have for the past few elections.

I'd think we'll have exactly the same type of choices next election.

I'd actually be totally fine with scrapping primaries and letting the parties pick who their candidates were if we'd make some other electoral reforms (Liberalizing primaries seems to have only made our candidates worse, to your point).

Ok to keep things more fresh: What was the least moderate thing about Biden in the primaries? Or Harris in her short campaign?

 

[baltimorened]

I'd actually be totally fine with scrapping primaries and letting the parties pick who their candidates were if we'd make some other electoral reforms (Liberalizing primaries seems to have only made our candidates worse, to your point).

Ok to keep things more fresh: What was the least moderate thing about Biden in the primaries? Or Harris in her short campaign?

Biden-too far back for me....Harris, I would say reparations.

I would have called Biden a moderate generally based on his history in Congress. It seems as if he changed more to the left one he became president. Personally, and I have no specific proof, I think his closest aides knew what capabilities Biden had and sort of led him into policy positions they led him to believe were "winners". I still remember that there was a policy the Biden signed, that when asked by speaker Johnson why he signed it, Biden responded "I never did that". But he had.

I always liked Biden. I worked with him and his office numerous times on international arms sales. I never thought he was overly engaged - more of a figurehead, staff did the work - but he was the poorest of just about any senator and went home to Delaware to his family just about every night. I thought that showed some character. I didn't vote for him for basically the same reasons. He was not engaged in issues - an executive's qualities are different than a senator's - and I felt he was too old, would be dependent on staff for decision making, and no longer had the physical stamina for the job. (I base the last comment on the fact that I'm about the same age - and I'm a high energy active guy and I couldn't put in the hours for the job anymore). At the same time, I lean as a "compassionate conservative" so I'm much more into strong defense, personal accountability and all that stuff with a safety net for those who can't fend for themselves.

I'll tell you what I'm looking for in 2028.....still strong defense (it's a dangerous world) and in addition to the normal education, agriculture, jobs, etc, I'd like to see someone who puts right in the front a plan to shore up social security and Medicare, a plan to make healthcare more affordable, and a plan to reduce/eliminate deficits. Of course anyone who actually puts forward plans that cause any of us pain or discomfort will never get elected. But, if we're realistic we all know that in order to solve what we currently perceive as problems there's going to be some pain, be it higher taxes, reduced spending or both.

 

[FLaw47]

Thank you for the reply, I'll respond in line.

Biden-too far back for me....Harris, I would say reparations.

I did do some research on my question to you while I was waiting. Harris supporting studying reparations, which is roughly as useful as Trump signing an executive order to end world hunger. I think it's stupid but completely inconsequential.

I would have called Biden a moderate generally based on his history in Congress. It seems as if he changed more to the left one he became president. Personally, and I have no specific proof, I think his closest aides knew what capabilities Biden had and sort of led him into policy positions they led him to believe were "winners". I still remember that there was a policy the Biden signed, that when asked by speaker Johnson why he signed it, Biden responded "I never did that". But he had.

I think it's fair to think that Biden's staff pushed him into some ill advised things (I've heard reporting to suggest that's true) but I don't think you can point out what ultimately happened in his presidency as evidence for why he was too extreme for you to vote for him in 2020. And of the stuff that happened during his Presidency that was dumb, the border stuff was probably the most left. (Debt relief was stupid but got struck down. If you get to absolve Trump of his responsibility for trying to do illegal things and getting stopped, I can do the same for Biden).

I always liked Biden. I worked with him and his office numerous times on international arms sales. I never thought he was overly engaged - more of a figurehead, staff did the work - but he was the poorest of just about any senator and went home to Delaware to his family just about every night. I thought that showed some character. I didn't vote for him for basically the same reasons. He was not engaged in issues - an executive's qualities are different than a senator's - and I felt he was too old, would be dependent on staff for decision making, and no longer had the physical stamina for the job. (I base the last comment on the fact that I'm about the same age - and I'm a high energy active guy and I couldn't put in the hours for the job anymore). At the same time, I lean as a "compassionate conservative" so I'm much more into strong defense, personal accountability and all that stuff with a safety net for those who can't fend for themselves.

This is all valid but it's much more vibes based that policy based. Plus, we already had ample evidence that Trump didn't have the physical stamina for the job when we saw him riding around on golf carts everywhere while the other leaders of the free world were able to use their legs.

I'll tell you what I'm looking for in 2028.....still strong defense (it's a dangerous world) and in addition to the normal education, agriculture, jobs, etc, I'd like to see someone who puts right in the front a plan to shore up social security and Medicare, a plan to make healthcare more affordable, and a plan to reduce/eliminate deficits. Of course anyone who actually puts forward plans that cause any of us pain or discomfort will never get elected. But, if we're realistic we all know that in order to solve what we currently perceive as problems there's going to be some pain, be it higher taxes, reduced spending or both.

I think those are perfectly reasonable things to look for but I'm also reasonably confident that Democratic candidate will be strictly better on (based on your stated views):

• Normal Education
• Affordable healthcare
• Social Security
• Medicare
• Debt/Deficits

And not meaningfully worse on defense. I couldn't tell you on agriculture either way, people aren't always solving for the same things there.

My suspicion is that you'll vote for the GOP candidate despite the Democratic candidate being better on your stated preferences (I'm doing a lot of projection here, I hope you'll allow me the license).

My hypothesis is that you, like so many others (to include my mother), are voting on something other than your stated preferences or your preferences are weighted in a way that's not clear (for example you put 98% weight on defense).

I'm left of center (not a lefty) so I've got a bias, I get it. But for how much you and people like you have talked about how extreme the Democrats have gotten (and that's why you can't vote for them), I have a difficult time seeing it and you guys have a difficult time defending it. Yes, Harris should have never made the comments about trans prisoners getting free surgeries but I don't think it's reasonable to point to a statement or two that someone once made as evidence that they in general are an extremist (I don't think that game suits Republicans if played evenly).

Thoughts?

 

[Hotshoe]

I have never in my life seen someone push so much bullsh-t and propaganda than you do. You actually believe you are the moral authority. It's so very Socialistic of you. You simply know better than everyone else, and it drives you crazy when others just don't get it and follow along. You really are that screaming crazy girl from when Hillary lost. Keep up the good work. You also believed all the lies your party pushed in the first term. It's rather comical. Keep up the good work, you'll soon have more followers. Lmao.

 

[Hotshoe]

Kamala was the worst candidate in US political history. She was not selected by a democratic vote and would not have finished in the top 3 in a truly contested open primary. She was that bad.

And folks laughed at this. What you posted is factual. She gained 1% of her parties vote. 1%, and folks laughed at your comment. It's shows how little honesty they have. Furthermore, she was never elected by her party like Obama wanted, she was appointed by a rigged committee vote.

 

[FLaw47]

I have never in my life seen someone push so much bullsh-t and propaganda than you do. You actually believe you are the moral authority. It's so very Socialist of you. You simply know better than everyone else, and it drives you crazy when others just don't get it and follow along. You really are that screaming crazy girl from when Hillary lost. Keep up the good work. You also believed all the lies your party pushed in the first term. It's rather comical. Keep up the good work, you'll soon have more followers. Lmao.

You said "keep up the good work" twice. It's better when you don't repeat yourself in such a short rant. I mean, it was separated by a sentence.

 

[fatpiggy]

Thank you for the reply, I'll respond in line.



I did do some research on my question to you while I was waiting. Harris supporting studying reparations, which is roughly as useful as Trump signing an executive order to end world hunger. I think it's stupid but completely inconsequential.



I think it's fair to think that Biden's staff pushed him into some ill advised things (I've heard reporting to suggest that's true) but I don't think you can point out what ultimately happened in his presidency as evidence for why he was too extreme for you to vote for him in 2020. And of the stuff that happened during his Presidency that was dumb, the border stuff was probably the most left. (Debt relief was stupid but got struck down. If you get to absolve Trump of his responsibility for trying to do illegal things and getting stopped, I can do the same for Biden).



This is all valid but it's much more vibes based that policy based. Plus, we already had ample evidence that Trump didn't have the physical stamina for the job when we saw him riding around on golf carts everywhere while the other leaders of the free world were able to use their legs.



I think those are perfectly reasonable things to look for but I'm also reasonably confident that Democratic candidate will be strictly better on (based on your stated views):

• Normal Education
• Affordable healthcare
• Social Security
• Medicare
• Debt/Deficits

And not meaningfully worse on defense. I couldn't tell you on agriculture either way, people aren't always solving for the same things there.

My suspicion is that you'll vote for the GOP candidate despite the Democratic candidate being better on your stated preferences (I'm doing a lot of projection here, I hope you'll allow me the license).

My hypothesis is that you, like so many others (to include my mother), are voting on something other than your stated preferences or your preferences are weighted in a way that's not clear (for example you put 98% weight on defense).

I'm left of center (not a lefty) so I've got a bias, I get it. But for how much you and people like you have talked about how extreme the Democrats have gotten (and that's why you can't vote for them), I have a difficult time seeing it and you guys have a difficult time defending it. Yes, Harris should have never made the comments about trans prisoners getting free surgeries but I don't think it's reasonable to point to a statement or two that someone once made as evidence that they in general are an extremist (I don't think that game suits Republicans if played evenly).

Thoughts?

Your lengthy last two posts can be summed up by “I am elite and smarter than everyone and the people are too stupid to vote for their bests Intrest.”

Quite the position. Probably has some high level college degree. And thinks he knows what’s best for everyone even when they tell him otherwise.

 

[fatpiggy]

And folks laughed at this. What you posted is factual. She gained 1% of her parties vote. 1%, and folks laughed at your comment. It's shows how little honesty they have. Furthermore, she was never elected by her party like Obama wanted, she was appointed by a rigged committee vote.

The same dork follows me around the board all the time. It’s pathetic for a grown adult.

 

[Hotshoe]

As if it would have made a bit of difference to either of you. You were voting Trump no matter what because he was gonna get the libs.

Hope it was worth it. From recent posts doesn't seem like you feel that it was.

You need to speak for yourself, not the nation. Years ago, I would have voted for Jim Webb for president, but the Dems weren't going to allow a moderate they couldn't control. I've voted for several Dem governors in NC because they were the best choice. Furthermore, like most radicals, you leave out the biggest voting block in America, Independents.

 

[dpic73]

I have never in my life seen someone push so much bullsh-t and propaganda than you do. You actually believe you are the moral authority. It's so very Socialist of you. You simply know better than everyone else, and it drives you crazy when others just don't get it and follow along. You really are that screaming crazy girl from when Hillary lost. Keep up the good work. You also believed all the lies your party pushed in the first term. It's rather comical. Keep up the good work, you'll soon have more followers. Lmao.

How about you stfu? My respect for you white grievance, taint-licking, Always Trumpers is less than zero. He could drop a bomb on your house and rape your wife and if I stood up for you, you'd shriek that I have TDS before you'd blame him for destroying your life. If a judge convicted him for those crimes, you'd bellow about the weaponization of the Judiciary.

And you're right - I am better and my moral compass is superior to yours but that's not difficult since you're solely driven by your maniacal hatred of anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Now please take your Midol and schedule an appointment with an anger management therapist before you spin right off the edge.

 

[baltimorened]

Thank you for the reply, I'll respond in line.



I did do some research on my question to you while I was waiting. Harris supporting studying reparations, which is roughly as useful as Trump signing an executive order to end world hunger. I think it's stupid but completely inconsequential.



I think it's fair to think that Biden's staff pushed him into some ill advised things (I've heard reporting to suggest that's true) but I don't think you can point out what ultimately happened in his presidency as evidence for why he was too extreme for you to vote for him in 2020. And of the stuff that happened during his Presidency that was dumb, the border stuff was probably the most left. (Debt relief was stupid but got struck down. If you get to absolve Trump of his responsibility for trying to do illegal things and getting stopped, I can do the same for Biden).



This is all valid but it's much more vibes based that policy based. Plus, we already had ample evidence that Trump didn't have the physical stamina for the job when we saw him riding around on golf carts everywhere while the other leaders of the free world were able to use their legs.



I think those are perfectly reasonable things to look for but I'm also reasonably confident that Democratic candidate will be strictly better on (based on your stated views):

• Normal Education
• Affordable healthcare
• Social Security
• Medicare
• Debt/Deficits

And not meaningfully worse on defense. I couldn't tell you on agriculture either way, people aren't always solving for the same things there.

My suspicion is that you'll vote for the GOP candidate despite the Democratic candidate being better on your stated preferences (I'm doing a lot of projection here, I hope you'll allow me the license).

My hypothesis is that you, like so many others (to include my mother), are voting on something other than your stated preferences or your preferences are weighted in a way that's not clear (for example you put 98% weight on defense).

I'm left of center (not a lefty) so I've got a bias, I get it. But for how much you and people like you have talked about how extreme the Democrats have gotten (and that's why you can't vote for them), I have a difficult time seeing it and you guys have a difficult time defending it. Yes, Harris should have never made the comments about trans prisoners getting free surgeries but I don't think it's reasonable to point to a statement or two that someone once made as evidence that they in general are an extremist (I don't think that game suits Republicans if played evenly).

Thoughts?

I think this is a reasonable post....I could make some "happy to glad" modifications. I'd have some issue maybe with your thoughts on Biden's policies but nothing I would go to the mat on.

I vote on issues as opposed to the person running. I know that might sound counterintuitive, but someone that campaigns on increasing my taxes might not be my first choice. But, if he/she could show me how that benefits the country, I could still vote for him. On Gavin News on, for example, if he campaigned on reducing homelessness, affordability, good governance - all things I'm in favor of -
i'd look at his record and say "no thanks' just based on what he has done in California.

On you're too extreme thought , please give some allowance for my generation. To me, all of this transgenderism, illegal migrant "giveaways", deportations, open borders, "is extreme'". I wasn't raised this way and I didn't live my life this way. Now, I adjust to the times, but i can't get my mind around the fact that we have combat veterans who need the help that we are providing to people in the country illegally - housing, medical care, food, education - and that we are failing to provide them. That just doesn't make sense to me. I recognize that there is a difference in viewing the word "extreme" in that what I see that way others don't. Back in the '90s some referred to bill Clinton as "extreme"....today, he probably wouldn't get the nomination...times change.

 

[Hotshoe]

How about you stfu? My respect for you white grievance, taint-licking, Always Trumpers is less than zero. He could drop a bomb on your house and rape your wife and if I stood up for you, you'd shriek that I have TDS before you'd blame him for destroying your life. If a judge convicted him for those crimes, you'd bellow about the weaponization of the Judiciary.

And you're right - I am better and my moral compass is superior to yours but that's not difficult since you're solely driven by your maniacal hatred of anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Now please take your Midol and schedule an appointment with an anger management therapist before you spin right off the edge.

Your projection is lovely.

 

[dpic73]

Your projection is lovely.

I'm right and you're wrong so you can run along now. Isn't it time for your morning prayers to Trump?

 

[FLaw47]

I think this is a reasonable post....I could make some "happy to glad" modifications. I'd have some issue maybe with your thoughts on Biden's policies but nothing I would go to the mat on.

I vote on issues as opposed to the person running. I know that might sound counterintuitive, but someone that campaigns on increasing my taxes might not be my first choice. But, if he/she could show me how that benefits the country, I could still vote for him. On Gavin News on, for example, if he campaigned on reducing homelessness, affordability, good governance - all things I'm in favor of -
i'd look at his record and say "no thanks' just based on what he has done in California.

Newsome isn't my first choice but I think it's reasonable to think that he might not govern the country the same way he governed California.

On you're too extreme thought , please give some allowance for my generation. To me, all of this transgenderism, illegal migrant "giveaways", deportations, open borders, "is extreme'". I wasn't raised this way and I didn't live my life this way.

So here's the thing about this (and I'm going to "critique" you and then critique my party):

• You didn't originally cite any of those things (fair, you don't have to be perfect)
• The only one of those that national Democrats have arguably acted on is the "open borders" thing, and I still think that's deliberately misleading (not on your part, per se, but in the way that conservative media talks about it)

The Biden administration had this executive order (I got it from Chat GPT so please be kind) which is extremely moderate on trans issues:

The proposal said:

• Schools could not impose blanket bans on transgender athletes.
• But schools could restrict participation in some cases (for example, certain competitive levels) if they justified it on fairness or safety grounds.

Like I get that the whole "trans concept" is weird. I especially get how weird the concept of "non-binary" or "gender fluid" is so believe me that I give a bunch of leeway to anyone who just occasionally messes up a pronoun. I also understand that there are plenty of my comrades who are not as understanding as I am on this and I understand that allowing trans women to compete in women's leagues might be unfair.

However, what have national Democrats actually done or attempted to do in a meaningful way that's "extreme" on this issue? I just truly don't get it and am left with to assume that this is really all fear mongering from the right wing media-sphere.

So that's why I challenge this sort of rhetoric when I see it. I either want to know what I'm missing or convince the other person they may have been duped.

I'll note that the 2020 Democratic Primary got out of hand and stupid. Julian Castro forcing everyone to raise their hands and say they'd de-criminalize illegal border crossing was really stupid. I think 2020 was a great example of how we over-index on a party being unpopular. Too many Democrats assumed Trump's unpopularity meant they wanted what Democratic activists wanted, which is clearly wrong. The inverse is happening with this Trump administration.

Now, I adjust to the times, but i can't get my mind around the fact that we have combat veterans who need the help that we are providing to people in the country illegally - housing, medical care, food, education - and that we are failing to provide them. That just doesn't make sense to me.

A few thoughts on this:

• It's not the Democrats who are going out of their way to make Veteran care worse
• Some veterans don't want the help and there's only so much we can force people to do
  • I'm not looking for any sympathy here but my veteran uncle, while not homeless, was clearly having major mental health issues and recently killed himself. I personally (and very delicately) tried to get him to go the VA after consulting with my best friend and wife, who MD and PhD level mental health providers and he just wouldn't bite. So I do get on a personal level this issue.
• If you can point out any stuff about us providing housing for undocumented people I'd be interested to read. I think we've shown repeatedly how undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits but I'm happy to dig that back up for you if you're interested.

So I'm just not personally convinced that's a very good reason to vote GOP.

 

[baltimorened]

Newsome isn't my first choice but I think it's reasonable to think that he might not govern the country the same way he governed California.




So here's the thing about this (and I'm going to "critique" you and then critique my party):

• You didn't originally cite any of those things (fair, you don't have to be perfect)
• The only one of those that national Democrats have arguably acted on is the "open borders" thing, and I still think that's deliberately misleading (not on your part, per se, but in the way that conservative media talks about it)

The Biden administration had this executive order (I got it from Chat GPT so please be kind) which is extremely moderate on trans issues:


Like I get that the whole "trans concept" is weird. I especially get how weird the concept of "non-binary" or "gender fluid" is so believe me that I give a bunch of leeway to anyone who just occasionally messes up a pronoun. I also understand that there are plenty of my comrades who are not as understanding as I am on this and I understand that allowing trans women to compete in women's leagues might be unfair.

However, what have national Democrats actually done or attempted to do in a meaningful way that's "extreme" on this issue? I just truly don't get it and am left with to assume that this is really all fear mongering from the right wing media-sphere.

So that's why I challenge this sort of rhetoric when I see it. I either want to know what I'm missing or convince the other person they may have been duped.

I'll note that the 2020 Democratic Primary got out of hand and stupid. Julian Castro forcing everyone to raise their hands and say they'd de-criminalize illegal border crossing was really stupid. I think 2020 was a great example of how we over-index on a party being unpopular. Too many Democrats assumed Trump's unpopularity meant they wanted what Democratic activists wanted, which is clearly wrong. The inverse is happening with this Trump administration.



A few thoughts on this:

• It's not the Democrats who are going out of their way to make Veteran care worse
• Some veterans don't want the help and there's only so much we can force people to do
  • I'm not looking for any sympathy here but my veteran uncle, while not homeless, was clearly having major mental health issues and recently killed himself. I personally (and very delicately) tried to get him to go the VA after consulting with my best friend and wife, who MD and PhD level mental health providers and he just wouldn't bite. So I do get on a personal level this issue.
• If you can point out any stuff about us providing housing for undocumented people I'd be interested to read. I think we've shown repeatedly how undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits but I'm happy to dig that back up for you if you're interested.

So I'm just not personally convinced that's a very good reason to vote GOP.

look at NYC and Chicago for just two examples of housing, feeding, educationg , providing medical care for illegal migrants.

I don't vote for the GOP, and I think anyone who votes for a party - be it president or Congress or whatever - is not thinking the situation through. Like I said, I vote the issues...If I think the democrat candidate will be better on the issues than the Republican, i'd vote Democrat, and I vote split tickets....although in Florida that's difficult.

 

[Hotshoe]

I'm right and you're wrong so you can run along now. Isn't it time for your morning prayers to Trump?

Thanks for proving me right. You're just an arrogant gnat. Tough guy projection from Mom's basement. You really are the Hillary screamer. Lmao.

 

[dpic73]

Thanks for proving me right. You're just an arrogant gnat. Tough guy projection from Mom's basement. You really are the Hillary screamer. Lmao.

Wrong, I've been a self supporting adult ever since I left home for college and since she died 7 years ago, there's no basement to live in.

Oh and Hillary was right

 

[FLaw47]

look at NYC and Chicago for just two examples of housing, feeding, educationg , providing medical care for illegal migrants.

I don't vote for the GOP, and I think anyone who votes for a party - be it president or Congress or whatever - is not thinking the situation through. Like I said, I vote the issues...If I think the democrat candidate will be better on the issues than the Republican, i'd vote Democrat, and I vote split tickets....although in Florida that's difficult.

I feel like you left an awful lot of meat on the bone with my post.

 

[baltimorened]

ok, I'll do better.

on the trans issue, it has been democrats who have been the ones pushing the trans in girls sports/bathrooms. I'll use just one example state of VA, dem governor.....there are more. If you look up 'which democrats have pushed for boys in girls sports" you'll see

on migrant benefits..during the Democrat debate the question was ' which of candidate would support medical coverage for illegal migrants - all raised their hands. To be accurate, they all didn't agree on how.

I answered about migrant housing and benefits. You can add California to that list

why would you think that News on would govern the US any different that how he has governed California? He has a set of principles that guide him. I doubt they change because the venue changes.

 

[FLaw47]

ok, I'll do better.

on the trans issue, it has been democrats who have been the ones pushing the trans in girls sports/bathrooms. I'll use just one example state of VA, dem governor.....there are more. If you look up 'which democrats have pushed for boys in girls sports" you'll see

I just looked up VA governor and trans issues and can't find anything. Can you be more specific? I think the GOP is strictly wrong on the bathroom issue, to be fair. Please engage with this somewhat seriously: Here's the google image search for "trans man". You want all of them in the women's restroom? If not, are trans people just not supposed to use the restroom at all? I think trans people, as a general rule, use the bathroom where they can "pass" the best.

on migrant benefits..during the Democrat debate the question was ' which of candidate would support medical coverage for illegal migrants - all raised their hands. To be accurate, they all didn't agree on how.

I answered about migrant housing and benefits. You can add California to that list.

Ok, fair enough. I'll add some context and then my own thoughts.

Here is what ChatGPT clarified:

The question did not say “free healthcare paid for by taxpayers.” The moderators simply asked whether their proposed health‑care system would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. Some candidates clarified their answers in follow‑ups by saying the coverage would involve buying into a system rather than being automatically free at government expense.

I don't have any problem with them being able to buy into a hypothetical public option. Unless we get rid of EMTALA, it makes more sense for everyone to pay premiums and co-pays than it does for them to show up at the ER and eventually have the hospital eat the inflated bill. Reasonable people can disagree though.

why would you think that News on would govern the US any different that how he has governed California? He has a set of principles that guide him. I doubt they change because the venue changes.

For the same reason that countless people have governed differently as a Senator than as a Representative or as a Governor rather than an assembly member. Your constituents and responsibilities change. Newsome's values might not change but the best way to govern based on those values isn't identical for a President and a Governor.

Ronald Reagan supported gun control (for black people) when he was the governor of California. Mitt Romney signed the proto Affordable Care Act as the governor of Massachusetts.

But I do think it's reasonable to point to what all has happened in a person's past as evidence in projecting their future actions.

 

[dpic73]

and yet, the American people voted him back into office....so that tells us something either about the democrat platform, the Democrat candidate or what the American people want.

We already know the election system is secure, so at that point in time, knowing everything about trump...this is what we (collective) voted for. We can complain all we want, but .....

And that's why the rest of us will never understand you. When I say "you", I mean collectively.

We tried to hold him accountable with impeachments and you disapproved. McConnell even said the legal system should handle it.

He then went after the Republicans who voted in favor of his impeachments and you dutifully voted them out of office.

The legal system tried to hold him accountable and you all raged and cried about weaponization and gave him a get out of jail free card.

Then we had the primary in which he skipped the debates entirely because he knew you'd overwhelmingly vote for him anyway.

Republicans have made it virtually impossible to hold him accountable no matter how vile, corrupt and treasonous he becomes, and that's a dark stain on this country that we may never recover from. Wrong is now right and bad is now good.

I don't care how many people wanted him, there's something rotten about this country that we could have never imagined before he came along and that should worry you about what we've become and where we're headed.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

How about you stfu? My respect for you white grievance, taint-licking, Always Trumpers is less than zero. He could drop a bomb on your house and rape your wife and if I stood up for you, you'd shriek that I have TDS before you'd blame him for destroying your life. If a judge convicted him for those crimes, you'd bellow about the weaponization of the Judiciary.

And you're right - I am better and my moral compass is superior to yours but that's not difficult since you're solely driven by your maniacal hatred of anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Now please take your Midol and schedule an appointment with an anger management therapist before you spin right off the edge.

What a fn chode lol. Like anybody GAF about your respect