Easy Shutdown of Power Plants

[kidmike41]

You arent good at math logic or poker are you?

If have a gun and if I can order some bullets for it but it was take a couple weeks for Amazon to deliver them. Have I threatened you? Maybe my gun is for self defense? Maybe you are jumping to conclusions. Where is the threat that so many are saying was made?

You can’t even define your logic for taking Kharg island other than that is the talking point.

 

[fatpiggy]

Kid mike thinks we have to wait until the Nuke actually goes off before we punch the bully in the mouth.

The world just took notice didn’t they?

 

[fatpiggy]

But we want Iran to trade its oil. We unsanctioned them. How does this change where the money goes?

We are giving them until 8 o’clock tonight to make a deal to trade their oil. If they don’t make a deal we’ll take it and trade it for him.

 

[fatpiggy]

We dont need NATo or Europes or anyone else’s permission to punch the bully in the mouth. We are quite capable of dictating terms to Iran. Some ways more costly than others but it will be done

 

[tigres88]

Kid mike thinks we have to wait until the Nuke actually goes off before we punch the bully in the mouth.

The world just took notice didn’t they?

Right on cue, it took a few weeks for "no more foreign wars" pig boi to go FULL on support of "MORE FOREIGN WARS." We all called it, and here we are.

 

[baltimorened]

So saying we have uranium that is not enriched to nuclear bomb capacity is now a threat? It is also reported that they said they would give it to a third party in that meeting.

Where did they threaten to attack the USA with nukes?

well, I can tell that no matter what I or any one else say will change your mind. so, why don't we just leave it at this, I personally, and apparently a lot of world leaders don't think it's a good idea for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. You seem to disagree, so we'll just agree to disagree on that point

 

[fatpiggy]

So if attacked they threatened retaliation?

This is a weekly press conference for Trump and Putin.

There’s a little history between the United States and Iran between 1978 and now maybe you should read about it

 

[fatpiggy]

well, I can tell that no matter what I or any one else say will change your mind. so, why don't we just leave it at this, I personally, and apparently a lot of world leaders don't think it's a good idea for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. You seem to disagree, so we'll just agree to disagree on that point

Exactly just say that you disagree instead of making up excuses about why Iran wasn’t a threat. They were clearly a threat. If you disagree that’s fine but pretending like they were attacked for no reason ignores a lot of facts and history in my opinion.

 

[ANEW]

Let’s stick to the question. Was a threat made to nuke the USA?

You can search through this site where it's been posted all the various times that Iran has been involved with attacks on americans over the past 47 years. They regularly call us Satan and the regime regularly exposes "death to america". They are the worlds #1 sponsor of terrorism and the regime is literally made of of people who are hardcore death cultists. The time to solve the problem is before they have nuclear bombs mated to ICBMs. Too late to do that with North Korea . Not too late for Iran. But close. Their conventional missle and drone program was running full tilt and there was a real possibiity of those capabilities getting so big that it would make the cost of doing something so severe that it would buy them enough time to finish producing bombs and making them small enough to fit on IRBMs and then ICBMs. The threat of convential and/or asymmetric military retaliation in the region was enough to keep the statis quo going and both their nuclear and missile programs going.

You don't wait until landfall to prepare for a hurricaine.

 

[kidmike41]

Kid mike thinks we have to wait until the Nuke actually goes off before we punch the bully in the mouth.

The world just took notice didn’t they?

We are the bully my man. I don’t say that in some bad way. Iran is nothing to us.

 

[kidmike41]

well, I can tell that no matter what I or any one else say will change your mind. so, why don't we just leave it at this, I personally, and apparently a lot of world leaders don't think it's a good idea for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. You seem to disagree, so we'll just agree to disagree on that point

I don’t think it is desirable for them to have a nuke. I just don’t think it is our problem to stop them. If they get a nuke not ideal, but not the end of the world.

 

[kidmike41]

There’s a little history between the United States and Iran between 1978 and now maybe you should read about it

Why don’t you go back to 1953?

 

[MTTiger19]

Dude, these are BROWN people, they hardly count. It's OK to do this to them.

That aside though, that's the way we do things when we bomb countries. I bet a lot of folks in Iran hate the current Iran government and were hoping that the US would help them take over the government. The problem with that is that you can't do that w/o either bombing them back to the stone age or an invastion in force. Both of those things come with an enormous cost. Not to the US (well, us too), but to the Iranian people. There's going to be 10s of thousands of Iranian casualties. And most of those folks, that are killed have people that cared about them. And those folks aren't going to like America AT ALL. Take that girl's school bombing that killed almost 200 kids. I have no doubt it was an accident on our part, but those kids are just as dead as if it were on purpose. And now there are 200 kid's relatives that hate the US and will hate them forever. You get the picture, if we take the country over THEN we have a country with a ton of folks that hate America.

How's that going to go for us? Well, we can look at history. We took over the Iranian govenment in the mid 1950s and installed the Shah and his people. That lasted about 20 years and when the Iranian people revolted against the American backed government, we got the current country of Iran that hates us. We took over Afgahanistan and installed an American backed government. That lasted about 20 years and when the Talaban took the place over we have the current country of Afgahanistan that hates us. We took over Iraq and installed a US backed government. 20 years later that government has never been able to control the country. Iran backed militias, Kurdish nationalist, and ISIS are all causing problems and the government is currently very unstable. IF any of the above groups take over, we'll have an Iraq that hates us.

Starting to see a picture here? We don't belong there. We need to stop doing the same f'ing thing over and over again and somehow expecting things to go differenctly.

Out after “brown people”. **** off with that bulldhit you race baiting loser.

 

[Chumpsky]

Simple way to limit power to cities

Bomb the substations and transmission lines outside plants

Will take months to rebuild

Not Years if the plants are taken out

Bomb one side of bridges

Again months not years to replace

Just a thought

To be sure the military has this figured out

Dude where do you keep coming up with all these great plans? I'm amazed at how prolific your planning skills are.

 

[kidmike41]

You can search through this site where it's been posted all the various times that Iran has been involved with attacks on americans over the past 47 years. They regularly call us Satan and the regime regularly exposes "death to america". They are the worlds #1 sponsor of terrorism and the regime is literally made of of people who are hardcore death cultists. The time to solve the problem is before they have nuclear bombs mated to ICBMs. Too late to do that with North Korea . Not too late for Iran. But close. Their conventional missle and drone program was running full tilt and there was a real possibiity of those capabilities getting so big that it would make the cost of doing something so severe that it would buy them enough time to finish producing bombs and making them small enough to fit on IRBMs and then ICBMs. The threat of convential and/or asymmetric military retaliation in the region was enough to keep the statis quo going and both their nuclear and missile programs going.

You don't wait until landfall to prepare for a hurricaine.

Again, I don’t want them to have a nuke. I can understand why they may want one. We aren’t invading North Korea anytime soon. They are a fly in the ointment. But I don’t lose any sleep over it. I do worry about a global recession because of this war.

 

[MTTiger19]

Dude where do you keep coming up with all these great plans? I'm amazed at how prolific your planning skills are.

Aren’t you single and unemployed? You could maybe learn a few things about “planning” lol.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I wasn’t aware that they were threatening to nuke anyone or had nuclear bombs.

You have really been living in a bubble

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Can you provide some examples of this because I can’t actually find any.

The Iranian negotiators told the US negotiators they had enough to build 11 nukes if finished and believe me they would have used them

And worse the Iranians were trying to trade or buy for nukes with NK

That story has been silenced due to public panic if the Iranians get some from NK

 

[kidmike41]

The Iranian negotiators told the US negotiators they had enough to build 11 nukes if finished and believe me they would have used them

And worse the Iranians were trying to trade or buy for nukes with NK

That story has been silenced due to public panic if the Iranians get some from NK

How could you possibly know that would have used them? I just don’t see that happening and apparently neither did the UK reps at the negotiations

 

[Hotshoe]

Dude, these are BROWN people, they hardly count. It's OK to do this to them.

That aside though, that's the way we do things when we bomb countries. I bet a lot of folks in Iran hate the current Iran government and were hoping that the US would help them take over the government. The problem with that is that you can't do that w/o either bombing them back to the stone age or an invastion in force. Both of those things come with an enormous cost. Not to the US (well, us too), but to the Iranian people. There's going to be 10s of thousands of Iranian casualties. And most of those folks, that are killed have people that cared about them. And those folks aren't going to like America AT ALL. Take that girl's school bombing that killed almost 200 kids. I have no doubt it was an accident on our part, but those kids are just as dead as if it were on purpose. And now there are 200 kid's relatives that hate the US and will hate them forever. You get the picture, if we take the country over THEN we have a country with a ton of folks that hate America.

How's that going to go for us? Well, we can look at history. We took over the Iranian govenment in the mid 1950s and installed the Shah and his people. That lasted about 20 years and when the Iranian people revolted against the American backed government, we got the current country of Iran that hates us. We took over Afgahanistan and installed an American backed government. That lasted about 20 years and when the Talaban took the place over we have the current country of Afgahanistan that hates us. We took over Iraq and installed a US backed government. 20 years later that government has never been able to control the country. Iran backed militias, Kurdish nationalist, and ISIS are all causing problems and the government is currently very unstable. IF any of the above groups take over, we'll have an Iraq that hates us.

Starting to see a picture here? We don't belong there. We need to stop doing the same f'ing thing over and over again and somehow expecting things to go differenctly.

Sarcasm!

 

[Hotshoe]

BREAKING: Iran is organizing nationwide human chains of youth, athletes, and artists at every power plant in the country at 2 PM Tehran time tomorrow, per Iran's Ministry of Sports and Youth.

The campaign is named "Human Chain of Iranian Youth for a Bright Future." Its slogan: "attacking public infrastructure is a war crime."

International signage will be displayed for global media coverage. At least 2,000 NGO members are confirmed. The chains form 13 hours before Trump's 8 PM ET strike deadline.

Iran is gathering civilians at the exact infrastructure the US has threatened, and televising it to the world.

Lmao. Boy oh boy do you mop up the Iranian propaganda. If you had actual VPN sources from inside Iran, all the people want is regime change at any cost.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Your ignorance is apparent from your first sentence. Iranians, Persians, are not Brown people.

Check your sarcasm meter, it appears to be broken.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

it's been reported by the media and posted numerous times on here...during the first meeting between the Iranians and our people the Iranians said that they had sufficient enriched uranium to make 11 bombs (separate report said 10 bombs)

Let’s stick to the question. Was a threat made to nuke the USA?

What threat was Japan to the

How could you possibly know that would have used them? I just don’t see that happening and apparently neither did the UK reps at the negotiations

ask the dead at Pearl Harbor

don’t wait till a terrorist state has nukes to negotiate

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Your ignorance is apparent from your first sentence. Iranians, Persians, are not Brown people.

That brown people statement stuck in my mind too

That’s pretty racist and insulting to call them brown people in some manner of making being a brown person sound derogatory

Persians are not brown and what is wrong with being a brown person

 

[kidmike41]

What threat was Japan to the


ask the dead at Pearl Harbor

don’t wait till a terrorist state has nukes to negotiate

If you only use a hammer eventually everything looks like a nail.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

How could you possibly know that would have used them? I just don’t see that happening and apparently neither did the UK reps at the negotiations

Reference WW 2 and Britain placating the Germans and not meeting the aggression which ended up bad with 120,000,000 people dead

The Germans and Japanese never said they were going to attack either

 

[kidmike41]

Lmao. Boy oh boy do you mop up the Iranian propaganda. If you had actual VPN sources from inside Iran, all the people want is regime change at any cost.

All the people? I saw a lot of folks hot on the trail of the downed pilot after the regime asked them too. I’m just pointing out that we don’t know what percentage want regime change. I wish they would rise up already.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

If you only use a hammer eventually everything looks like a nail.

I think you confuse who wants to surprise us with the hammer and make the US the nail

 

[kidmike41]

Reference WW 2 and Britain placating the Germans and not meeting the aggression which ended up bad with 120,000,000 people dead

The Germans and Japanese never said they were going to attack either

Britain declared war on Germany before Germany ever attack Britain. You know that right?

this is no defense on Germany, just a fact

 

[kidmike41]

Reference WW 2 and Britain placating the Germans and not meeting the aggression which ended up bad with 120,000,000 people dead

The Germans and Japanese never said they were going to attack either

We have been operating on this logic ever since ww2 and honestly it doesn’t appear to have worked well. Vietnam and Iraq were started under these premises. Huge wastes of blood and treasure. I am tired of it. We are in $40 trillion of debt. Let’s get our house in order and stop worrying about the Middle East.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Reference WW 2 and Britain placating the Germans and not meeting the aggression which ended up bad with 120,000,000 people dead

The Germans and Japanese never said they were going to attack either

Britain declared war on Germany before Germany ever attack Britain. You know that right?

this is no defense on Germany, just a fact

Let me break the shell on the egg you are living in

First the attempts to prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons has been going on for decades with Iran

I actually worked with Iranians under US sponsorship to develop nuclear energy so I know a little about that subject

This problem did not start with Trump as it has been a long standing problem with Iran causing chaos for 47 years. Including the Iran Iraq war

I am baked in on Trump is trying to end this threat to peace for the US

Iran can just negotiate and the issue is over

I don’t want to see any more war or deaths however the Iranian regime is suicidal in their desire to kill Jews and infidels called Americans

Just negotiate in good faith and keep the deals instead of breaking them

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

We have been operating on this logic ever since ww2 and honestly it doesn’t appear to have worked well. Vietnam and Iraq were started under these premises. Huge wastes of blood and treasure. I am tired of it. We are in $40 trillion of debt. Let’s get our house in order and stop worrying about the Middle East.

Would love it if the world worked idealistic as you hope for

It just does not

And to use my metaphor again sometimes we have to break eggs to make a peace omelet

 

[Hotshoe]

You arent good at math logic or poker are you?

It's astonishing that both of of them are denying threats from Iran. Are they living under rocks? They just killed 47 of our innocent citizens in 2023. They threaten America on a weekly basis. They'll stop at nothing as long as it's get Trump.

 

[ANEW]

Again, I don’t want them to have a nuke. I can understand why they may want one. We aren’t invading North Korea anytime soon. They are a fly in the ointment. But I don’t lose any sleep over it. I do worry about a global recession because of this war.

So there is the judgement call. You don't want it, but would be ok with Iran becoming a nuclear power. This admin and every other for almost 50yrs has said, hard no to Iran becoming a nuclear power. This particular admin however is dealing with it in different way than previously. If I accurately stated your position, then by definition even a short conflict would be a negative from that perspective. .

I think Iran saying they had a quantitiy of uranium and only needed a short time to push it to weapons grade factored in to the go decision. I think the fact that Iran's proxies are at the weakest they have ever been factored in. I think that the degredation of Iran's air defenses and other systems from the 12 day war factored in. I believe that Irans ever increasing production rates and stockpiles of offensive missiles factored in. I believe that the exact timing of the initial strikes WERE driven by Israeli intelligence having rock solid info that all Iranian leadership was goign to be meeting. It might have been sooner than we wanted, but I believe that we (the US admin) thought that we would end up needing military action anyway, so that was too good of a target to pass up. Might as well start the war from there.

The North Korean regime is actually more rational than the muslim crazies of the IRGC, IMO.

 

[fatpiggy]

Why don’t you go back to 1953?

Fair point. The countries don’t like each other. It didn’t start with them threatening us. But it ended with 40 of their top leaders dead. And they are about to lose their oil if they won’t make a deal to trade it. That’s what it looks like to me.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

@kidmike41 just to revert what I started this thread about is that I am hoping we refrain from total war and do not bomb facilities into total disrepair

bomb for example transmission lines from power plants

that will put people in a crap situation but one that could be repaired

hopefully this would send the message

however the Iranian leadership seems to be planning to go down with the ship

 

[fatpiggy]

If you only use a hammer eventually everything looks like a nail.

We tried a lot of things other than the hammer. Bad analogy.

Stuxnet. Sending them cash.


This is the find out part.

 

[Hotshoe]

We are the bully my man. I don’t say that in some bad way. Iran is nothing to us.

Iran has already proven you wrong due to their closing the Straight. It's literally why all of you short term thinkers are angry. So, Iran is nothing to us? Really? I suppose, since China has so many needed resources we use, yet is not at war with us, they doesn't affect us either?

 

[kidmike41]

It's astonishing that both of of them are denying threats from Iran. Are they living under rocks? They just killed 47 of our innocent citizens in 2023. They threaten America on a weekly basis. They'll stop at nothing as long as it's get Trump.

I voted for Trump. I wanted no new wars. Sorry to burst your bubble on that.

 

[kidmike41]

Would love it if the world worked idealistic as you hope for

It just does not

And to use my metaphor again sometimes we have to break eggs to make a peace omelet

It’s amazing how other countries don’t have this problem. No one is going to attack us.