Trump and Hegseth get slapped down yet again.

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There just seems to be no floor when it comes to the stupidity and overreach of Trump and Hegseth. U.S. District Court Judge Paul Friedman is now just the latest person to point that out to them. Friedman ruled Friday that the Pentagon’s restrictive press access policy is unlawful and ordered the Department of Defense to reinstate press credentials for affected journalists.

In his ruling, Friedman found that the policy — which allowed officials to revoke credentials from reporters who sought or published unauthorized information — violated the First Amendment and granted the government overly broad authority to control access to the press corps.

If you're a Republican and you're reading this, you might well be inclined to regard this as yet more partisan blather from that poor liberal LafayetteBear. But consider the policy that Hegseth was trying to enforce here. The news article linked at the end of this post articulates it pretty succinctly:

The policy, introduced last year under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, required reporters covering the Pentagon to agree not to obtain or report on information that had not been officially cleared for release — even if the material was unclassified. Critics argued the rules amounted to censorship and would punish routine news-gathering practices.

Under the guidelines, journalists risked losing credentials for conduct deemed a security risk, including attempts to access nonpublic information, a provision that alarmed major news organizations and press freedom groups.

Nearly every major U.S. news outlet, including Fox News, refused to sign the policy when it was introduced, with many forfeiting their Pentagon credentials in protest.

In Friday’s decision, Friedman sided with media organizations that argued the policy imposed unconstitutional conditions on access. He said the policy also violated the Fifth Amendment because “it provides no way for journalists to know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials.”


I have not read Friedman's full opinion and, frankly, don't understand how this policy violated Fifth Amendment due process protections, since journalists WOULD, in fact, "know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials." They could simply submit their proposed news reports or columns to the Pentagon for its review and approval prior to publishing said reports or columns. But that would quite clearly constitute what First Amendment legal scholars call a "prior restraint" of speech.

A "Prior Restraint" is a form of government censorship that prohibits speech or other expression before it can take place, generally deemed a violation of the First Amendment. Instead of punishing speech after publication, it stops communication from occurring entirely, often via injunctions, licensing, or pre-publication review. Prior restraints are generally deemed to be the most pernicious of First Amendment infringements, and the easiest to challenge in the courts.

This one was a no brainer. If members of the press could be forced to submit their proposed news reports and columns to the Pentagon for its approval prior to their publication, they would essentially be reduced to the status of Pentagon spokespersons. Nothing critical of the Pentagon or its policies or initiatives (whether they were sound or unsound) would ever be published. That is obviously not how a free press operates. If this policy was limited to classified information, it would be a tad more defensible. But it would not work even then, since it would almost surely lead to the DoD designating virtually everything as "classified."

Trump and Hegseth certainly have no shortage of lawyers working for them. I'm wondering if either of them even bothered to ask one of those lawyers about that policy before putting it in place. Any law student (at least any law student who has had a class in Constitutional Law) could have told them this policy would not pass legal muster. For Chrissake ...

Here's the link to the full article: https://www.ms.now/news/judge-rules-pentagon-press-policy-unconstitutional
 

baltimorened

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There just seems to be no floor when it comes to the stupidity and overreach of Trump and Hegseth. U.S. District Court Judge Paul Friedman is now just the latest person to point that out to them. Friedman ruled Friday that the Pentagon’s restrictive press access policy is unlawful and ordered the Department of Defense to reinstate press credentials for affected journalists.

In his ruling, Friedman found that the policy — which allowed officials to revoke credentials from reporters who sought or published unauthorized information — violated the First Amendment and granted the government overly broad authority to control access to the press corps.

If you're a Republican and you're reading this, you might well be inclined to regard this as yet more partisan blather from that poor liberal LafayetteBear. But consider the policy that Hegseth was trying to enforce here. The news article linked at the end of this post articulates it pretty succinctly:

The policy, introduced last year under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, required reporters covering the Pentagon to agree not to obtain or report on information that had not been officially cleared for release — even if the material was unclassified. Critics argued the rules amounted to censorship and would punish routine news-gathering practices.

Under the guidelines, journalists risked losing credentials for conduct deemed a security risk, including attempts to access nonpublic information, a provision that alarmed major news organizations and press freedom groups.

Nearly every major U.S. news outlet, including Fox News, refused to sign the policy when it was introduced, with many forfeiting their Pentagon credentials in protest.

In Friday’s decision, Friedman sided with media organizations that argued the policy imposed unconstitutional conditions on access. He said the policy also violated the Fifth Amendment because “it provides no way for journalists to know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials.”


I have not read Friedman's full opinion and, frankly, don't understand how this policy violated Fifth Amendment due process protections, since journalists WOULD, in fact, "know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials." They could simply submit their proposed news reports or columns to the Pentagon for its review and approval prior to publishing said reports or columns. But that would quite clearly constitute what First Amendment legal scholars call a "prior restraint" of speech.

A "Prior Restraint" is a form of government censorship that prohibits speech or other expression before it can take place, generally deemed a violation of the First Amendment. Instead of punishing speech after publication, it stops communication from occurring entirely, often via injunctions, licensing, or pre-publication review. Prior restraints are generally deemed to be the most pernicious of First Amendment infringements, and the easiest to challenge in the courts.

This one was a no brainer. If members of the press could be forced to submit their proposed news reports and columns to the Pentagon for its approval prior to their publication, they would essentially be reduced to the status of Pentagon spokespersons. Nothing critical of the Pentagon or its policies or initiatives (whether they were sound or unsound) would ever be published. That is obviously not how a free press operates. If this policy was limited to classified information, it would be a tad more defensible. But it would not work even then, since it would almost surely lead to the DoD designating virtually everything as "classified."

Trump and Hegseth certainly have no shortage of lawyers working for them. I'm wondering if either of them even bothered to ask one of those lawyers about that policy before putting it in place. Any law student (at least any law student who has had a class in Constitutional Law) could have told them this policy would not pass legal muster. For Chrissake ...

Here's the link to the full article: https://www.ms.now/news/judge-rules-pentagon-press-policy-unconstitutional
I understand what Hegseth was trying to do, but there are easier, legal ways to do it....first, the Pentagon is not an open access building...I'm retired and I can't get in. So you can let every reporter you want into the cubbyhole of reporter's office and restrict their access within the building. There's a lot of classified stuff that goes on in just about every office and no one, even people who work there, can just walk around wherever they want to go.

Next, you make it perfectly clear to everyone in the building...there is an office of professional media relations personnel who are the only ones authorized to speak with any member of the media. Anyone outside that office who speaks with a reporter will be fired or court martialed.

Reporters are interested in "the scoop". They will play officers and civilians one against the other just for the snippet that gets them a byline. Military people are not trained how to deal with that. So they should keep their mouths shut.

Sometimes this administration is their own worst enemy. They seem intent on showing their "strength" and end up having to retreat
 

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Sometimes this administration is their own worst enemy. They seem intent on showing their "strength" and end up having to retreat
And there it is. This is the recurring motif of this administration. Makes them at least seem remarkably unintelligent and recalcitrant to the checks and balances of the Constitution. And through most of it, tax payer dollars are funding the errant policies and consumers bear the brunt of whimsical, fickle choices.

Warning: your correct observation may get you accused of having “TDS”.
 
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And there it is. This is the recurring motif of this administration. Makes them at least seem remarkably unintelligent and recalcitrant to the checks and balances of the Constitution. And through most of it, tax payer dollars are funding the errant policies and consumers bear the brunt of whimsical, fickle choices.

Warning: your correct observation may get you accused of having “TDS”.
Not worried about being accused of TDS. My views are too middle of the road.
 
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Damn, even the hard-core right-wing channels are turning on Kegbreath

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dpic73

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What a dangerous @sshole



Gen George must speak out ASAP. Watch this space.


This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine. He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.
 

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There just seems to be no floor when it comes to the stupidity and overreach of Trump and Hegseth. U.S. District Court Judge Paul Friedman is now just the latest person to point that out to them. Friedman ruled Friday that the Pentagon’s restrictive press access policy is unlawful and ordered the Department of Defense to reinstate press credentials for affected journalists.

In his ruling, Friedman found that the policy — which allowed officials to revoke credentials from reporters who sought or published unauthorized information — violated the First Amendment and granted the government overly broad authority to control access to the press corps.

If you're a Republican and you're reading this, you might well be inclined to regard this as yet more partisan blather from that poor liberal LafayetteBear. But consider the policy that Hegseth was trying to enforce here. The news article linked at the end of this post articulates it pretty succinctly:

The policy, introduced last year under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, required reporters covering the Pentagon to agree not to obtain or report on information that had not been officially cleared for release — even if the material was unclassified. Critics argued the rules amounted to censorship and would punish routine news-gathering practices.

Under the guidelines, journalists risked losing credentials for conduct deemed a security risk, including attempts to access nonpublic information, a provision that alarmed major news organizations and press freedom groups.

Nearly every major U.S. news outlet, including Fox News, refused to sign the policy when it was introduced, with many forfeiting their Pentagon credentials in protest.

In Friday’s decision, Friedman sided with media organizations that argued the policy imposed unconstitutional conditions on access. He said the policy also violated the Fifth Amendment because “it provides no way for journalists to know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials.”


I have not read Friedman's full opinion and, frankly, don't understand how this policy violated Fifth Amendment due process protections, since journalists WOULD, in fact, "know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials." They could simply submit their proposed news reports or columns to the Pentagon for its review and approval prior to publishing said reports or columns. But that would quite clearly constitute what First Amendment legal scholars call a "prior restraint" of speech.

A "Prior Restraint" is a form of government censorship that prohibits speech or other expression before it can take place, generally deemed a violation of the First Amendment. Instead of punishing speech after publication, it stops communication from occurring entirely, often via injunctions, licensing, or pre-publication review. Prior restraints are generally deemed to be the most pernicious of First Amendment infringements, and the easiest to challenge in the courts.

This one was a no brainer. If members of the press could be forced to submit their proposed news reports and columns to the Pentagon for its approval prior to their publication, they would essentially be reduced to the status of Pentagon spokespersons. Nothing critical of the Pentagon or its policies or initiatives (whether they were sound or unsound) would ever be published. That is obviously not how a free press operates. If this policy was limited to classified information, it would be a tad more defensible. But it would not work even then, since it would almost surely lead to the DoD designating virtually everything as "classified."

Trump and Hegseth certainly have no shortage of lawyers working for them. I'm wondering if either of them even bothered to ask one of those lawyers about that policy before putting it in place. Any law student (at least any law student who has had a class in Constitutional Law) could have told them this policy would not pass legal muster. For Chrissake ...

Here's the link to the full article: https://www.ms.now/news/judge-rules-pentagon-press-policy-unconstitutional
Since you have no practical litigation experience, you consistently cite decisions of federal district court judges as though they are gospel. This is just the the decision of one guy. It will be appealed and there very well could be a different decision.
 
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What a dangerous @sshole



Gen George must speak out ASAP. Watch this space.


This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine. He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.

We are complicit with the lead from Israel and NettyYahoo to define what constitutes war crimes.
 
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We are complicit with the lead from Israel and NettyYahoo to define what constitutes war crimes.
How scary is it that they fire every general/officer with a moral compass so they can move forward with Netanyahu's plan to totally obliterate all infrastructure of note, including energy plants.
 
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Since you have no practical litigation experience, you consistently cite decisions of federal district court judges as though they are gospel. This is just the the decision of one guy. It will be appealed and there very well could be a different decision.

Since you have no practical legal knowledge, this district court ruling is controlling in that jurisdiction (i.e. it is "gospel"). And that would only change if a higher court overturns/vacates it ... so, shaddup, troll.
 

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Since you have no practical litigation experience, you consistently cite decisions of federal district court judges as though they are gospel. This is just the the decision of one guy. It will be appealed and there very well could be a different decision.
I realize that the decision of a single trial court is not Gospel. But for anyone who has even the slightest familiarity with constitutional law or First Amendment law, this decision was an absolute no brainer. Hegseth attempted to impose a prior restraint on the Pentagon Press Corps. He should have known that his attempt was virtually certain to be opposed by the Press Corps (hell, even Fox News would not go along), and struck down by the first court that reviewed the Press Corps' complaint.

The Pentagon is certainly entitled to appeal. It will lose, but it can certainly file an appeal.
 
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I realize that the decision of a single trial court is not Gospel. But for anyone who has even the slightest familiarity with constitutional law or First Amendment law, this decision was an absolute no brainer. Hegseth attempted to impose a prior restraint on the Pentagon Press Corps. He should have known that his attempt was virtually certain to be opposed by the Press Corps (hell, even Fox News would not go along), and struck down by the first court that reviewed the Press Corps' complaint.

The Pentagon is certainly entitled to appeal. It will lose, but it can certainly file an appeal.
it really makes no difference. The Pentagon is a secured facility. You can let the press have their office..fine. But access to most, if not all offices can, and likely will, be restricted - just about every one has classified info - and likely movement through the Pentagon will require an escort. At the same time, leaders will make it known that speaking with the press will only be done with prior approval and in the presence of a public affairs officer.

The Pentagon mishandled this, IMO. They could, and most likely will, accomplish exactly what they wanted simply by following existing protocols of secured facilities. It will require more "babysitters" for the media representatives, which costs more money...for those that complain about defense spending.
 

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There just seems to be no floor when it comes to the stupidity and overreach of Trump and Hegseth. U.S. District Court Judge Paul Friedman is now just the latest person to point that out to them. Friedman ruled Friday that the Pentagon’s restrictive press access policy is unlawful and ordered the Department of Defense to reinstate press credentials for affected journalists.

In his ruling, Friedman found that the policy — which allowed officials to revoke credentials from reporters who sought or published unauthorized information — violated the First Amendment and granted the government overly broad authority to control access to the press corps.

If you're a Republican and you're reading this, you might well be inclined to regard this as yet more partisan blather from that poor liberal LafayetteBear. But consider the policy that Hegseth was trying to enforce here. The news article linked at the end of this post articulates it pretty succinctly:

The policy, introduced last year under Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, required reporters covering the Pentagon to agree not to obtain or report on information that had not been officially cleared for release — even if the material was unclassified. Critics argued the rules amounted to censorship and would punish routine news-gathering practices.

Under the guidelines, journalists risked losing credentials for conduct deemed a security risk, including attempts to access nonpublic information, a provision that alarmed major news organizations and press freedom groups.

Nearly every major U.S. news outlet, including Fox News, refused to sign the policy when it was introduced, with many forfeiting their Pentagon credentials in protest.

In Friday’s decision, Friedman sided with media organizations that argued the policy imposed unconstitutional conditions on access. He said the policy also violated the Fifth Amendment because “it provides no way for journalists to know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials.”


I have not read Friedman's full opinion and, frankly, don't understand how this policy violated Fifth Amendment due process protections, since journalists WOULD, in fact, "know how they may do their jobs without losing their credentials." They could simply submit their proposed news reports or columns to the Pentagon for its review and approval prior to publishing said reports or columns. But that would quite clearly constitute what First Amendment legal scholars call a "prior restraint" of speech.

A "Prior Restraint" is a form of government censorship that prohibits speech or other expression before it can take place, generally deemed a violation of the First Amendment. Instead of punishing speech after publication, it stops communication from occurring entirely, often via injunctions, licensing, or pre-publication review. Prior restraints are generally deemed to be the most pernicious of First Amendment infringements, and the easiest to challenge in the courts.

This one was a no brainer. If members of the press could be forced to submit their proposed news reports and columns to the Pentagon for its approval prior to their publication, they would essentially be reduced to the status of Pentagon spokespersons. Nothing critical of the Pentagon or its policies or initiatives (whether they were sound or unsound) would ever be published. That is obviously not how a free press operates. If this policy was limited to classified information, it would be a tad more defensible. But it would not work even then, since it would almost surely lead to the DoD designating virtually everything as "classified."

Trump and Hegseth certainly have no shortage of lawyers working for them. I'm wondering if either of them even bothered to ask one of those lawyers about that policy before putting it in place. Any law student (at least any law student who has had a class in Constitutional Law) could have told them this policy would not pass legal muster. For Chrissake ...

Here's the link to the full article: https://www.ms.now/news/judge-rules-pentagon-press-policy-unconstitutional
Was it yet another leftist establishment TDS Judge thats overreaching?

 

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Since you have no practical legal knowledge, this district court ruling is controlling in that jurisdiction (i.e. it is "gospel"). And that would only change if a higher court overturns/vacates it ... so, shaddup, troll.
I am a lawyer and I have had 150 jury trials. I know way more than you or LB.
 

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it really makes no difference. The Pentagon is a secured facility. You can let the press have their office..fine. But access to most, if not all offices can, and likely will, be restricted - just about every one has classified info - and likely movement through the Pentagon will require an escort. At the same time, leaders will make it known that speaking with the press will only be done with prior approval and in the presence of a public affairs officer.

The Pentagon mishandled this, IMO. They could, and most likely will, accomplish exactly what they wanted simply by following existing protocols of secured facilities. It will require more "babysitters" for the media representatives, which costs more money...for those that complain about defense spending.
Ned: I understand full well that the Pentagon is a place where sensitive and classified information arises frequently, and that there is a compelling need to protect it from public disclosure. My only point is that you don't do it by trying to impose a prior restraint on the press. That would make them nothing more than unpaid spokespersons for the Pentagon, and it turns the notion of a free and independent press on its head.

You do it by instructing DoD employees on the need and the methods for preserving the confidentiality of sensitive or classified information, arranging escorts for visiting members of the press, and things like that. Finally, you show some willingness to be transparent with respect to information that the public has a right to know, rather than trying to cover up anything and everything. If you do that, you earn a little more credibility, both with the press and with DoD employees who might otherwise be tempted to leak information that they believe is being improperly covered up.
 

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I am a lawyer and I have had 150 jury trials. I know way more than you or LB.
I'm not denigrating your trial experience, Buck. But given your legal education and experience, you surely realize how strict the judicial scrutiny is of any governmental attempt to impose a prior restraint.

BTW, I'm assuming you are the same Buckeye alum who used to post on the Penn State Test Board. Is that not the case?
 

dpic73

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Wow. That is truly disquieting. Those guys need to be continuously mocked, for starters. And if they attempt to put any of that credo into action, they need to be sued and/or prosecuted.
This is what you get when you go extremely anti-woke and angry white conservative males run everything - Christian Sharia...
 

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This is as dumb and ignorant as your 14th Amendment post. You basically made Jackson's ridiculous argument regarding stealing in Japan. What a whopper that was. So you're saying, according to your argument, if what you say took place in say...Mexico, France, or Great Britain, those babies born, because they are subject to their laws are now citizens of said countries? Really? How about China?

Dude, the 14th Amendment was about freedmen, not foreigners. It has nothing to do if one is subject to our laws. FFS, I would think even you would not be this ignorant and dumb for a political party. Lmao. The 14th Amendment was specifically written against Dred Scott and has nothing to do with foreigners. The 14th Amendment was and is 100% about slavery.
 

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This is as dumb and ignorant as your 14th Amendment post. You basically made Jackson's ridiculous argument regarding stealing in Japan. What a whopper that was. So you're saying, according to your argument, if what you say took place in say...Mexico, France, or Great Britain, those babies born, because they are subject to their laws are now citizens of said countries? Really? How about China?

Dude, the 14th Amendment was about freedmen, not foreigners. It has nothing to do if one is subject to our laws. FFS, I would think even you would not be this ignorant and dumb for a political party. Lmao. The 14th Amendment was specifically written against Dred Scott and has nothing to do with foreigners. The 14th Amendment was and is 100% about slavery.
If by "it" you mean a person's birth, and that birth took place in Mexico, yes, that baby would be a Mexican citizen. Mexico and Brazil are among 36 countries that, like the U.S. have birthright citizenship. I do not believe Japan, France or Great Britain has birthright citizenship. But then again, none of Japan, France or Great Britain was ever in significant need of immigrants. The U.S. has for virtually all of its history been a nation of immigrants.

The argument you made in your second paragraph, above, ignores U.S. Supreme Court precedent and the plain verbiage of the 14th Amendment. You dummy. Your ASU education is showing.
 

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If by "it" you mean a person's birth, and that birth took place in Mexico, yes, that baby would be a Mexican citizen. Mexico and Brazil are among 36 countries that, like the U.S. have birthright citizenship. I do not believe Japan, France or Great Britain has birthright citizenship. But then again, none of Japan, France or Great Britain was ever in significant need of immigrants. The U.S. has for virtually all of its history been a nation of immigrants.

The argument you made in your second paragraph, above, ignores U.S. Supreme Court precedent and the plain verbiage of the 14th Amendment. You dummy. Your ASU education is showing.
My bad on Mexico, but the rest stands in regards to the 14rh Amendment. It was solely written against Dred Scott.
 

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If by "it" you mean a person's birth, and that birth took place in Mexico, yes, that baby would be a Mexican citizen. Mexico and Brazil are among 36 countries that, like the U.S. have birthright citizenship. I do not believe Japan, France or Great Britain has birthright citizenship. But then again, none of Japan, France or Great Britain was ever in significant need of immigrants. The U.S. has for virtually all of its history been a nation of immigrants.

The argument you made in your second paragraph, above, ignores U.S. Supreme Court precedent and the plain verbiage of the 14th Amendment. You dummy. Your ASU education is showing.
Once again, you are fos. Obviously, you ignore stare decisis which is inherent in all arguments regarding the 14th Amendment.

Reconstructing Citizenship | National Museum of African American History and Culture https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/exhibitions/reconstruction/citizenship#:~:text=The U.S. Supreme Court declared,afforded to all American citizens.
 

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I am a lawyer and I have had 150 jury trials. I know way more than you or LB.

In those 150 jury trials, how many times did they convict you?

It's sad you spoke so ignorantly on the topic while trying to attack another poster.
 

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Ned: I understand full well that the Pentagon is a place where sensitive and classified information arises frequently, and that there is a compelling need to protect it from public disclosure. My only point is that you don't do it by trying to impose a prior restraint on the press. That would make them nothing more than unpaid spokespersons for the Pentagon, and it turns the notion of a free and independent press on its head.

You do it by instructing DoD employees on the need and the methods for preserving the confidentiality of sensitive or classified information, arranging escorts for visiting members of the press, and things like that. Finally, you show some willingness to be transparent with respect to information that the public has a right to know, rather than trying to cover up anything and everything. If you do that, you earn a little more credibility, both with the press and with DoD employees who might otherwise be tempted to leak information that they believe is being improperly covered up.
I don't disagree. my point was simply that the original heavy handed approach was not necessary. There are legitmate means to let members of the media do their jobs without giving them free access to roam the halls.

So, now the leaders look stupid and institute the controls they should have done in the first place.

There are some really good members of the media, and there are some who would sell you down the river for a "scoop"...just like folks in other professions. Hegseth has the tendency to play the "macho" persona instead of accepting reality and accomplishing what's needed with a more open hand
 
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Precisely. Unlike you, neither has been in a courtroom arguing anything.

I can guarantee you I made more money being a lawyer than he has. So has my wife. She's also argued in a courtroom. Does any of that mean anything? No.

It doesn't even take an attorney, let alone one with trial experience, to know that the decision is "gospel" in that jurisdiction until it's overturned on appeal. It doesn't even take an attorney, let alone one with trial experience, to know that there are appeals courts (including SCOTUS), and their decisions control over lower courts' decisions, when in conflict.