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ANEW said:
I recognize that guy. Ha. Don't remember anythign about him one way or another.

Ok. I watched that. Professionally embarrassing is my most charitable take.

There was nothign wrong with that initial statement by the SecWar. Nothing. Intimidate and Demoralize them... Great! Maybe they will run so we can kill them easier or better yet, maybe the'll just give up. That' would be even better. Hunt down and Kill enemies. Yes that's what the military does.
... Not having "stupid rules of engagement" or whatever hegseth said,. Not an elegent way make the point he was trying to make, but but that does NOT imply that he wants combatant commanders to establish ROE that are contrary to the Law of War. The Law of War is hammered into our force... we have lawyers on staffs at all levels from the Brigade/Regiment on up. Reviewing orders and advising the commander on what is or is not legal is why they are are there primarily.

Maybe there was more that this dude was reacting to, but short of direct statements from the Sec War that directly and specfically direct or encourage non compliance with the Law of War, for him as a retired GO to say that the Sec War in on his way to being a war crimminal is flat out unbelievable. To me anyway.

The "unqualified" part is, whatever. I find it very very offputting for retired general officers to make those types of remarks, while 'wearing' their rank, but ok.

And then there is the fact that he's also a flat out liar. Hegseth was not kicked out of the DC guard in disgrace. And for him to say that as fact? A Major General (Retired)?

Jeebus.
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Saying we’re not going to follow stupid rules of engagement is not saying we aren’t going to not follow the rules of engagement is a choice I guess. I just don’t understand how someone that is career military is pro how he communicates. My grandpa was as conservative as they come but was also as buttoned up and as good a man as I’ve ever met, and I can’t help but feel like he’d be appalled. Maybe that’s just me putting things on him idk.
 
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ANEW said:
I recognize that guy. Ha. Don't remember anythign about him one way or another.

Ok. I watched that. Professionally embarrassing is my most charitable take.

There was nothign wrong with that initial statement by the SecWar. Nothing. Intimidate and Demoralize them... Great! Maybe they will run so we can kill them easier or better yet, maybe the'll just give up. That' would be even better. Hunt down and Kill enemies. Yes that's what the military does.
... Not having "stupid rules of engagement" or whatever hegseth said,. Not an elegent way make the point he was trying to make, but but that does NOT imply that he wants combatant commanders to establish ROE that are contrary to the Law of War. The Law of War is hammered into our force... we have lawyers on staffs at all levels from the Brigade/Regiment on up. Reviewing orders and advising the commander on what is or is not legal is why they are are there primarily.

Maybe there was more that this dude was reacting to, but short of direct statements from the Sec War that directly and specfically direct or encourage non compliance with the Law of War, for him as a retired GO to say that the Sec War in on his way to being a war crimminal is flat out unbelievable. To me anyway.

The "unqualified" part is, whatever. I find it very very offputting for retired general officers to make those types of remarks, while 'wearing' their rank, but ok.

And then there is the fact that he's also a flat out liar. Hegseth was not kicked out of the DC guard in disgrace. And for him to say that as fact? A Major General (Retired)?

Jeebus.
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I mean, he absolutely was removed from the DC Guard over allegations that he was an 'Insider Threat' so it's mostly true.

And I could give you many, many former military officers saying the same as this guy because Hegseth comes across as an unhinged warmonger with little regard for human life and he's far from being qualified compared to any Defense Secretary in the past.

He comically called them all to DC from around the world to tell them woke is dead and from now on, we're just going to fvkk **** up. He's a joke and if you were honest with yourself, I think you'd agree.
 
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dpic73 said:
I mean, he absolutely was removed from the DC Guard over allegations that he was an 'Insider Threat' so it's mostly true.

And I could give you many, many former military officers saying the same as this guy because Hegseth comes across as an unhinged warmonger with little regard for human life and he's far from being qualified compared to any Defense Secretary in the past.

He comically called them all to DC from around the world to tell them woke is dead and from now on, we're just going to fvkk **** up. He's a joke and if you were honest with yourself, I think you'd agree.
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Hegseth would not have been my first choice for secdef. In fact, he might need to change to decaf...

Don't lose track of the fact that there are many "adults in the room" in the form of the JCS. The concept that our military would knowingly target a girls school is counter to everything we've been taught.

Insofar as rules of engagement...I can't speak for modern times but back in my day, we couldn't fire at the enemy unless he fired first and we could clearly determine that he was shooting at us. Thats like the OK corral but the bad guy gets to draw his gun, take aim, and then fire...only then could you fire back. From my perspective, a change was needed. Now, being honest, I don't know what today's rules are , but it doesn't seem as if our pilots are waiting to be shot at.
 
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Dude he spent the majority of Trump's first term defending him and was especially loud about RussiaGate. He was on Tucker's show dozens of times criticizing liberals for their attacks on Trump, so call him what you want but for four years, he was a hard-core Trump defender.
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He's a leftist but he is rational enough to stay with abject reality.
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
Saying we’re not going to follow stupid rules of engagement is not saying we aren’t going to not follow the rules of engagement is a choice I guess. I just don’t understand how someone that is career military is pro how he communicates. My grandpa was as conservative as they come but was also as buttoned up and as good a man as I’ve ever met, and I can’t help but feel like he’d be appalled. Maybe that’s just me putting things on him idk.
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I re-listend. Hegseths exact words were, "We don't fight with stupid rules of engagement". I can tell you what i took that to mean. I took that to mean, in so many words "I'm not for adding ROE that make mission accomplishment harder and unecessarily increase risk to US miliitary doing the fighting." From a guy on the ground perspective that's what you want.

I can only assume that his experience as a junior officer in Iraq or wherever he was he was subject to ROE that might have been restrictive that he didn't like at the time.

Look around you. "pedo hitler" - aka trump "dui hire" -aka heseth "fashists"- aka any one who voted for trump. etc. etc. So to level-set, the measured communication style of your grandfather, and which i prefer, isn;t mainstream now, unfortunately. I've been guilty occasionally as well, the other way.

Ok, lets talk specifically about the SecWar, and your question directed at me (even though you didn't call me out directly). I am NOT "pro" how he communicates. I also would really like him to talk less. I'm not exactly a fan of Trump's communication style either, just to get that out there for another time.

Hegseth does not communicate with the precise and measured words of a professional military officer. I say that with some trepedation because he served as an officer and by strict definition, officers are profesisonals. But.. his civilian, and real, profession was as a commentator. I would add that his military experience was as a junior officer who did not start off his military career full time. Same for his juinor field grade officer time. He was a traditional national guardsman, same training, same qualifications but, not immersed in the profession and tested and challenged 24/7, 365. Had combat experience to whatever degree but that doesn't replace years of time and time around other full time professionals, education, and doing the job every day, all day. So to me, he's a commentator who communicates in the style of a junior military officer / combat officer without staff time. Not a professional staff officer or commander.
 
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I mean, he absolutely was removed from the DC Guard over allegations that he was an 'Insider Threat' so it's mostly true.

And I could give you many, many former military officers saying the same as this guy because Hegseth comes across as an unhinged warmonger with little regard for human life and he's far from being qualified compared to any Defense Secretary in the past.

He comically called them all to DC from around the world to tell them woke is dead and from now on, we're just going to fvkk **** up. He's a joke and if you were honest with yourself, I think you'd agree.
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No. Hard no. Sorry. He was reported as a potential threat based upon a christain affiliated tattoo during an era where "white supremacy" was the greatest threat to the US and we were still trying to undersand what the indicators were for "sudden jihadi syndrome" lol. He was in a DC guard unit and a unit member complained about a tattoo. Hegseths command pulled him from the duty involved with the biden inauguration. After that.. Nothing. No discipline. No orders to do anyting about the tattoo. What was "disgraceful"? Nothing. 100% lie by that piece of ****, Manner. F him for diminishing my profession.

Many former miltary officers... Lol. Just guys with opinons. "Little regard for human life" Did that come from you? WTF? Lol. As a reminder, war involves taking human life and the Dept of War is tasked with being able to do that , and destroying things as efficiently as possible under the contraints put upon them by civiilan authorities.

An "unqualified" SecDef/SecWar? What are the mandated qualifications? How do you want to define "qualified" for a political appointee? Former military rank? We've had plenty of people in hegseth's chair with lesser or zero military rank. So ?

Heseth was appointed to change the azimuth of the DoD /DoW. Be commited enough to his boss's agenda to overcome the incredible staff inertia. IMO he's doing that, even though is commication /words can be cringy,

Hey on a related note, what do you think about the previous SecDef?
 
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I re-listend. Hegseths exact words were, "We don't fight with stupid rules of engagement". I can tell you what i took that to mean. I took that to mean, in so many words "I'm not for adding ROE that make mission accomplishment harder and unecessarily increase risk to US miliitary doing the fighting." From a guy on the ground perspective that's what you want.

I can only assume that his experience as a junior officer in Iraq or wherever he was he was subject to ROE that might have been restrictive that he didn't like at the time.

Look around you. "pedo hitler" - aka trump "dui hire" -aka heseth "fashists"- aka any one who voted for trump. etc. etc. So to level-set, the measured communication style of your grandfather, and which i prefer, isn;t mainstream now, unfortunately. I've been guilty occasionally as well, the other way.

Ok, lets talk specifically about the SecWar, and your question directed at me (even though you didn't call me out directly). I am NOT "pro" how he communicates. I also would really like him to talk less. I'm not exactly a fan of Trump's communication style either, just to get that out there for another time.

Hegseth does not communicate with the precise and measured words of a professional military officer. I say that with some trepedation because he served as an officer and by strict definition, officers are profesisonals. But.. his civilian, and real, profession was as a commentator. I would add that his military experience was as a junior officer who did not start off his military career full time. Same for his juinor field grade officer time. He was a traditional national guardsman, same training, same qualifications but, not immersed in the profession and tested and challenged 24/7, 365. Had combat experience to whatever degree but that doesn't replace years of time and time around other full time professionals, education, and doing the job every day, all day. So to me, he's a commentator who communicates in the style of a junior military officer / combat officer without staff time. Not a professional staff officer or commander.
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Most online commentary would appall my grandpa for sure. But I was certainly speaking to PH in his specific position as SecDef and speaking from the podium in that position. Something just irks me that he speaks like a bro. That you have to say “I took that to mean” just seems ridiculous from a man in his position. I do get that men on the ground are likely happy to hear that. But seems to me the audience was wrong. Your last paragraph just lends to the DEI nature of his hire.

Answering the question you asked Dpic, I didn’t think much of the previous guy by the end either. Afghanistan was a disaster, and hiding the procedure really bothered me for a man in his position.
 
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The goal has been clear the whole time. No nukes for Iran.

I acknowledge the messaging beyond that hasn’t been great.

 
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150B.....

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Saudi Prince MbS reveals that President Obama gave Iran $150 billion, and the IRGC didn’t even build a single street with that money.

Instead, they made missiles and drones. And they used the funds Obama provided them to finance and arm terrorists like Hamas, Ansar Allah, and Hezbollah. With these funds, Iran offers safe harbor to the leaders of Al Qaeda, including one of Osama Bin Laden’s sons who was indoctrinated into jihadism.

Obama is by far the worst man to ever set foot in the Oval Office. The neoliberals like Hillary Clinton, Victoria Nuland, Samantha Power, etc. who ran his administration did so deliberately in order to keep the region destabilized and to use Iran as a buffer to prevent the Gulf states and Israel from amassing too much prosperity.

The Arab Spring in turn was their way of creating a refugee crisis that would plunge Europe into financial and social turmoil, the effects of which are plain to see today as they struggle with irreversible demographic change.

Chaos is a ladder, and peace is bad for the Democrats. It was the their way of keeping the Middle East down so they could retain the unipolar world order under the neoliberal agenda.

The neoliberals did the same with Ukraine, and they tried to do it with Kazakhstan, Belarus, Georgia, Slovakia, Hungary and Poland. And they did so through USAID.

Evil, evil stuff.
 
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Saudi Prince MbS reveals that President Obama gave Iran $150 billion, and the IRGC didn’t even build a single street with that money.

Instead, they made missiles and drones. And they used the funds Obama provided them to finance and arm terrorists like Hamas, Ansar Allah, and Hezbollah. With these funds, Iran offers safe harbor to the leaders of Al Qaeda, including one of Osama Bin Laden’s sons who was indoctrinated into jihadism.

Obama is by far the worst man to ever set foot in the Oval Office. The neoliberals like Hillary Clinton, Victoria Nuland, Samantha Power, etc. who ran his administration did so deliberately in order to keep the region destabilized and to use Iran as a buffer to prevent the Gulf states and Israel from amassing too much prosperity.

The Arab Spring in turn was their way of creating a refugee crisis that would plunge Europe into financial and social turmoil, the effects of which are plain to see today as they struggle with irreversible demographic change.

Chaos is a ladder, and peace is bad for the Democrats. It was the their way of keeping the Middle East down so they could retain the unipolar world order under the neoliberal agenda.

The neoliberals did the same with Ukraine, and they tried to do it with Kazakhstan, Belarus, Georgia, Slovakia, Hungary and Poland. And they did so through USAID.

Evil, evil stuff.
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Keep being you TG
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
Most online commentary would appall my grandpa for sure. But I was certainly speaking to PH in his specific position as SecDef and speaking from the podium in that position. Something just irks me that he speaks like a bro. That you have to say “I took that to mean” just seems ridiculous from a man in his position. I do get that men on the ground are likely happy to hear that. But seems to me the audience was wrong. Your last paragraph just lends to the DEI nature of his hire.

Answering the question you asked Dpic, I didn’t think much of the previous guy by the end either. Afghanistan was a disaster, and hiding the procedure really bothered me for a man in his position.
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I'm not going to defend his speaking style or whatever. I find it grating. I 100% could do a better job with that part. lol. He could have been more clear/precise by saying, "I do not support execssivly restrictive ROE that ties the hands of commanders and places undue risk on the force." That sounds more professional to me and it's clear. But what he said was clear to me as well, tbh.

Speeches or media interviews are not orders, BUT they are an indicator of intent or at least an indicater as to which what the winds are starting to blow. So my, "i took that to mean" is normal stuff. You listen to your leadership talk and you try and stay ahead of things. Do people start drafting up policy memos or issuing orders based upon a comment like that? No. It's a data point. But depending on the subject and how it was said, it can start or impact planning or other staff processes.
 
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That guy is a loon. He's a political commentator who hasn't had a thing to do witht them military in 25years. Totally making **** up. Lol. Before anyone gets too impressed with is bio, his "critical role" on Gen Schwartzkopfs staff was as an O3 (marine captain... which you attain at +-4yrs total service) he was "critical" in helping with the whack a scud launcher effort. Probably looked at al lot of pictures, made a lot of briefing materials, fetched a lot of coffee, pulled some shifts manning the phones at night. Hey someone's got to do it, and everyone's job is important but... Yeah doesn't mean he's a pentagon insider.

I watched until he basically said that everyone from the SecWar to the CJCS to the CENTCOM Commander to the targeteers to the guys pulling the trigger are gleefully committintg war crimes. Yeah ok. What an idiot.

He spends a lot of time in Russia and has been under investigation since 2024 for violations of the foreign agents registration act. Maybe nothing there, But hey, guy's got to make a buck any way you can after serving a few years in the big house and having to register as a sex offender for having sex chats with a underage girl (actually a police officer) while giving himself a handy live on his web cam.
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Fair, can we compare hegseths experience vs his?
 
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fatpiggy said:
Market ripping higher because Trump told Europe to open the strait of Hormuz themselves.

I wish we could see the face of that little German twerp laughing in Trumps face over their Green Energy policies. One of the all time great backfires. Be they wish they had that excess power right about now.

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And just like this Fatpiggy is over his disappointment over a new war and high inflation and totally inline with Trump. This is what actual TDS looks like.

Also one more example of the fact that Fatpiggy is a wannabe intellectual with no integrity or morale compass.
 
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Market ripping higher because Trump told Europe to open the strait of Hormuz themselves.

I wish we could see the face of that little German twerp laughing in Trumps face over their Green Energy policies. One of the all time great backfires. Be they wish they had that excess power right about now.

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Loving the Trump Policy of Get off your LAZY BUTT EUROPE AND SPEND YOUR BLOOD AND TREASURE ON OPENING THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ WHILE THE US WATCHES THEM CRAP THEIR PANTS
 
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Fair, can we compare hegseths experience vs his?
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Go for it if you want.

His comments were about the conduct of a then 2 or 3 week old operation, where he immediately started going off the rails about war crimes . Thats where I stopped, because he proved himself to be an idiot to me. And then there is also that whole thing where he thinks it's ok to groom minors and put himself on camera jerking his meat to hopefully move things along faster. Nothing screams I am rational and i make good decsions and should be trusted, like a felony sex offense against minors conviction on your record and lifetime membership status in the registered sex offender club.
 
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No. Hard no. Sorry. He was reported as a potential threat based upon a christain affiliated tattoo during an era where "white supremacy" was the greatest threat to the US and we were still trying to undersand what the indicators were for "sudden jihadi syndrome" lol. He was in a DC guard unit and a unit member complained about a tattoo. Hegseths command pulled him from the duty involved with the biden inauguration. After that.. Nothing. No discipline. No orders to do anyting about the tattoo. What was "disgraceful"? Nothing. 100% lie by that piece of ****, Manner. F him for diminishing my profession.

Many former miltary officers... Lol. Just guys with opinons. "Little regard for human life" Did that come from you? WTF? Lol. As a reminder, war involves taking human life and the Dept of War is tasked with being able to do that , and destroying things as efficiently as possible under the contraints put upon them by civiilan authorities.

An "unqualified" SecDef/SecWar? What are the mandated qualifications? How do you want to define "qualified" for a political appointee? Former military rank? We've had plenty of people in hegseth's chair with lesser or zero military rank. So ?

Heseth was appointed to change the azimuth of the DoD /DoW. Be commited enough to his boss's agenda to overcome the incredible staff inertia. IMO he's doing that, even though is commication /words can be cringy,

Hey on a related note, what do you think about the previous SecDef?
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I find it interesting that in a place where @dpic73 and his friends are quick to respond to most everything, they chose to flat out ignore this post.
 
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I find it interesting that in a place where @dpic73 and his friends are quick to respond to most everything, they chose to flat out ignore this post.
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Hey dummy, this was a conversation between me and ANEW, not you, so stop tagging me all over the board. FTR, it got lost in the weeds because his response came at around 1:00AM but my opinion of Hegseth hasn't changed.
 
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Start the fire. Walk away. Tell the world they’re on their own.



The strait was open. He starts a war. The strait closes. The world economy gets ******. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, he gets bored, he declares victory, and he tells the rest of the world to open the strait, to clean up his mess. He’s such a prick. He’s such a destructive prick.
 
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Start the fire. Walk away. Tell the world they’re on their own.



The strait was open. He starts a war. The strait closes. The world economy gets ******. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, he gets bored, he declares victory, and he tells the rest of the world to open the strait, to clean up his mess. He’s such a prick. He’s such a destructive prick.
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yea, I'm not sure this was a very productive post. As long as oil is "globally priced" we're also sort of dependent on the strait being opened...not necessarily for the supply but for the price.

I'm not so sure Trump is bored, as Mr Walsh writes...he may be. But I think he sees the writing on the wall for November elections and he's running out of time to get the economy, prices etc back on an even keel to even have hope of holding the house.
 
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baltimorened said:
I haven't seen this anywhere, not even on Fox news (which I just looked at). what is this "zero hedge"
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Not sure if serious.

Zerohedge is a financial commentary website. They are a leading source of news on the market, imo. They definitely have a conservative slant and also are generally pessimistic on their views of the stock market.

When there is market moving information, you will often find it there first.

If that was a joke that went over my head, I apologize.
 
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Not sure if serious.

Zerohedge is a financial commentary website. They are a leading source of news on the market, imo. They definitely have a conservative slant and also are generally pessimistic on their views of the stock market.

When there is market moving information, you will often find it there first.

If that was a joke that went over my head, I apologize.
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no not a joke, didn't mean for it to come out that way. I've just never heard of them and, as I posted, I hadn't seen this "news" on any other site
 
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If you have kids in the military right now, encourage them to go AWOL before these morons get them killed.
 
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These idiots are about to get so many people killed and hand Iran a huge propaganda win all in one fell swoop.
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Lmao. What a drama queen you are. Thousands of sorties flown, and one, high profile low level F-15 gets shot down. Now everyone is going to get killed. Feelings, nothing more than feelings. Keep supporting Iran.
 
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Lmao. What a drama queen you are. Thousands of sorties flown, and one, high profile low level F-15 gets shot down. Now everyone is going to get killed. Feelings, nothing more than feelings. Keep supporting Iran.
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Wonder if this kweer was posting his retarded doom during the afghan withdrawal
 
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