Malachi stay/go decision Via Jack Pilgrim

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Here is how you need to approach this, as with any kid on the team

We had a season that failed. The player was part of that team.

Do we really need to get worked up about a player considering his options on a team that played on Wednesday of the SEC tourney?

Honestly, how hard is Pope going to have to work to replace that production in the portal?

Don't get me wrong I hope he and all of them come back, but I also hope that its not because we have no better options
 
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Wish somto would come back
To compliment Moreno, sure that would be good.
Instead of Moreno, No!!!

Moreno is more skilled than Somto. Moreno as a FR was better in nearly every way than was Somto when comparing per30min stats (not fair to Somto to compare straight stats since Somto played less).
Soph Somto vs FR Moreno is much closer, each having the advantage in some areas. Somto scored more, blocked more shots, made a higher % of shots, while Moreno rebounded slightly better, fouled a lot less, made a much higher % of FTs. Somto is unplayable at the end of close games because you just hack-a-Shaq him (57.8% at line), plus he's a huge risk because he fouls so much (4.47 per30min his FR yr, 4.1 his Soph yr).

I honestly think Moreno can be 2nd team all-SEC next year, or definitely a good shot at 3rd team.
 

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Here is how you need to approach this, as with any kid on the team

We had a season that failed. The player was part of that team.

Do we really need to get worked up about a player considering his options on a team that played on Wednesday of the SEC tourney?

Honestly, how hard is Pope going to have to work to replace that production in the portal?

Don't get me wrong I hope he and all of them come back, but I also hope that its not because we have no better options
Especially with an analytics GM I find the Evan Miya site interesting.

Essentially his data of possible returners:
-Mo and Malachi really good
-Kam and Chandler solid
-Garrison not good
-Jasper bad
-Jelavic atrocious
 
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These numbers are not close to possible if the list posted on here the other day of top 20 Nil college athletes is accurate (Forget the source publication or who actually posted it). Number 20 was listed at 2.1 million as I recall and UK had no one on the list.
Yeah I posted that list months ago and got blasted as a Pope Pumper lol. Its literally impossible for us to have spent $22M. Is we gave 8 guys $1.8M each, thats $14.4. If we gave the other 7 players a million each, thats $21.4.M, still short. Did we give Potter, Horn and Tow a million each? Its impossible
 

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Moreno was forced to play a role he probably wasn't ready for this season. That said, he played really well in a lot of games. And obviously some pretty big moments. I would welcome him back and expect a pretty big leap in his production as a sophomore.
 
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Yeah I posted that list months ago and got blasted as a Pope Pumper lol. Its literally impossible for us to have spent $22M. Is we gave 8 guys $1.8M each, thats $14.4. If we gave the other 7 players a million each, thats $21.4.M, still short. Did we give Potter, Horn and Tow a million each? Its impossible

The math isn't mathing lol.

But I mean FWIW we prob gave the higher end guys way more than the 1.8.......................I mean who knows tho.
 
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Yeah I posted that list months ago and got blasted as a Pope Pumper lol. Its literally impossible for us to have spent $22M. Is we gave 8 guys $1.8M each, thats $14.4. If we gave the other 7 players a million each, thats $21.4.M, still short. Did we give Potter, Horn and Tow a million each? Its impossible
Let’s see if I can get to 22 on back of the napkin math:

-Oweh 4
-Lowe-3
-JQ-2
-Aberdeen 2
-Mo 2
-Kam 1.5
-Garrison 1 plus
-Chandler 1
-Moreno 1
-Jelavic 1
- Jasper 1.5
-Noah 750k
-Hawthorne and Potter combined 500k

I get pretty close to 22…bare minimum in my mind was high teens.
 

UKCowboys

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Let’s see if I can get to 22 on back of the napkin math:

-Oweh 4
-Lowe-3
-JQ-2
-Aberdeen 2
-Mo 2
-Kam 1.5
-Garrison 1 plus
-Chandler 1
-Moreno 1
-Jelavic 1
- Jasper 1.5
-Noah 750k
-Hawthorne and Potter combined 500k

I get pretty close to 22…bare minimum in my mind was high teens.
Except that report that was posted on here had us paying no one over $2M and you have us with 5 guys making that or more lol
 

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I think we all know the answer to that one.
The obvious reason is the Florida operation being run better right now.

The less obvious reason is Malachi will probably make more next year than either of those guys, and generally bigger deals are harder to do.
 

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Yeah I posted that list months ago and got blasted as a Pope Pumper lol. Its literally impossible for us to have spent $22M. Is we gave 8 guys $1.8M each, thats $14.4. If we gave the other 7 players a million each, thats $21.4.M, still short. Did we give Potter, Horn and Tow a million each? Its impossible
I am with you on questioning the $$$ amount for UK's team this year.
After watching all that talent at Arkansas, I find it hard to believe those players got paid that much less then UK players.
If UK was just throwing money out to anyone who would take it, still, we would have had some more top talent just because of the money.
Something is not adding up.
If JQ got 2 million, then we owe Moreno back pay
 

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Get those "insiders" to post the actual ledger, because otherwise, I believe they are posting numbers that fit their narrative. Honestly, it shouldn't be hard, UK's NIL after the fact should be open to public knowledge
Not with them being an LLC now. That information won’t ever come out completely. The frequent posters on here that follow this stuff to an unhealthy amount(like most on here lol) are able to deduce what these markets are for players.
 

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Moreno was pretty good as a freshman and will be pretty good next year, if not better. He definitely hit the wall at the end, but he will be a stud by the time he's an upperclassman.

In the words of Teddy KGB, pay that man his money.
 
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uh oh, MM didn’t produce the same that Anthony Davis did as a freshman, we can’t bring him back.

Lowe isn’t John Wall so he isn’t good enough, MM isn’t Anthony Davis so he’s not good enough, Chandler isn’t A. Harrison so he’s not good enough.

If you don’t want MM back next year, that says everything about your IQ of the game.

Serious question, What enjoyment do you get out of watching a game that you are clueless about???
 

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I like Moreno and want him back but Pope has to add a bulky,rebound driven guy to go along with him. Our inside game was so weak.
 

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sounds like he wants a deal that is fairly priced which is valid and easy to resolve. however if next year is a make it or break year for pope i dont know how you roll with him being your starting center.

all year we heard how the pieces dont fit and yet we want to run it back with the same cast in the same roles, just hope 3-4 guys develop a ton (which rarely happens). as a back up piece, moreno would be great in 15-18 minutes of action. i think he would thrive. not have all the pressure to be a 15 and 8 guy which is what we need.
 
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So why is this hard

1. You have Quantenance allegedly making 2M to do zilch….and why we paid Garrison at all was more Pope buffoonary..:there is plenty to pay Moreno without increasing the budget

2. The big decision is Moreno a five out offense center in time. Csn he handle end pass to initiate offense….or is there a better big out there for this team

But rhe money should not be an issue
I think the right 4 could assume the role of facilitator and you should still theoretically be able to use a non-shooting big as a screener, cutter, and dunker (would be nice if Moreno had a bit more verticality). I don’t know if Jelly is that guy or we need to find one. Jelavic didn’t show much as a facilitator this year, the question is if he was ever asked to. I would lean towards we need to go buy one.
 
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If you’re going to pay him then he has to earn it. If he thinks he’s been working hard up to this point then might be best to let him go. He needs strength, presence and some toughness about him. Played way too soft inside this year.
 
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So why is this hard

1. You have Quantenance allegedly making 2M to do zilch….and why we paid Garrison at all was more Pope buffoonary..:there is plenty to pay Moreno without increasing the budget

2. The big decision is Moreno a five out offense center in time. Csn he handle end pass to initiate offense….or is there a better big out there for this team

But rhe money should not be an issue

Regardless of whether or not JQ and BG are on this squad or not tho, you still need to budget money for their replacements. So it's not as simple as just giving Moreno more.

My guess is that JQ got the money he got because he was the assumed starter when healthy. Moreno was treated as a backup. Maybe even a 3rd option behind BG.

So this is where it gets a bit..........I mean do we go into next season assuming that Moreno is starting........in which case then yeah he probably should be getting way more. Or are we bringing someone in portal wise (I'm assuming both JQ and BG are gone) that's way better than Moreno.

This is why this is hard. You probably have to have these conversations on what to pay Moreno, without knowing exactly who is coming in first and you don't want to give Moreno a ton of money and have no funds left over for maybe a potentially better option.
 
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I do think the season wore him down. Big difference going from hs to college grown men every night. There were no Somtos in highschool.


He will be ten times better next year with a year of experience and a whole off-season to work out
 

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I don’t understand why it’s even an option. It’s not like he’s that good. He’s a decent 3/4 year player but unless he gets his *** in the weight room he’s not gonna improve. He got beat to hell this year but our only other option was BG
 

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Tipping Jim Carrey GIF


pope handing out that cash
 

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If that is the case with Fland and Urban Klavzar at Florida, it could be a simple case of the situation being very similar to Kentucky 2014 where they came so close but failed, but are confident they can win it next year just as our team felt they could do in 2015. Or even that Florida team in the early 2000s where they won the title and wanted to return because of their chances to repeat. Some of these kids are still actually driven to win a NCAA title before moving on. If that is the case I salute them. They are a rare breed these days.
 
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So let's go by some source materials (All NIL numbers are speculation without actual ledgers and tax documentation).


Dybantsa (4.1 million) is widely reported as the highest NIL deal

In a distant second place is Toppin at $2.8 million.
- There is no way Oweh, Lowe, or Aberdeen were paid $3 million (the discussion of potential worth no NIL deals is another issue).

Yaxel in 3rd at $2.3 million (But he said UK offered $7-$9 million right?)

Boggie in 4th at $2.1

Dent in 5th at $2 million (but I was told here on rafters we offered him $3 million and we paid J Lowe $3 million).

Finally our first Wildcat in 6th at $1.9 Million. So if our HIGHEST paid NIL player was $1.9 million and as you will see below, nobody else on UK is on the list above $1.7 million, the absolute MOST we could have spent is $25.5 (that's paying every single player on the roster $1.69 million and JQ $1.9 million including a walk on in NIL monies).

Again, without ledgers you can't get exact numbers. But we can explore rumors and some insiders knowledge of ball park numbers to get closer to a real number.

JQ - Going by above number reported by Fox - $1.9
Jasper - Multiple rumors saying he got in the neighborhood $1.1 million and a Tesla so let's be generous and go $1.2
Garrison - Been rumored he signed a 2 year $1.5 million deal last year, some say 2 year $3 mil, so split the difference (2.25 over 2 years) - $1.125
Noah - Heard several times it doubled from last year (From $250k to $500k) and he has outside JMI deals - $500k
Potter - Assume at best he got $250k but for sake of big numbers lets say $500k
Hawthorne - Assume at best he got $250k but for sake of big numbers lets say $500k
Jelavic - Haven't seen anywhere that he got even close a million so lets give him high end $750k
Williams - Haven't seen anywhere that his deal was close to a million either so high end $750k
Chandler - No indication he got a raise and was probably well under a million last year but lets be generous here - $1 million
Tow - No NIL deal, just happy to be there - $0k
Horn - No NIL deal, just happy to be there - $0k
Mo D - Rumors and speculations put Mo D around $1 million so let's be generous at $1.25
Moreno - Reports were he made significantly less NIL than several others on the team as he wasn't expected to play much year 1 but let's be generous here too and go $750k
Aberdeen - You can bet he didn't get $3 or even $2 million, so more likely in the $1.25 to $1.5 million range. We'll assume the next 3 average out to $1.5 each with some making more and some making less.
Oweh - See above, probably on the higher end of $1.5 million but less than $1.7
Lowe - See above, probably on the higher end of $1.5 million but less than $1.7

That's 16 players including the two walk ons and being fair about the money paid to them in real world numbers.
That comes out to $14.725 million (which I still think is on the high end of what we ACTUALLY paid) and sits firmly within that $13-$15 million I think we actually spent, not counting the two year deals we have been told multiple times do exist on this roster.

But it is what it is at the end of the day. We overspent on guys that didn't pan out and had a subpar season.
 
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Yeah I posted that list months ago and got blasted as a Pope Pumper lol. Its literally impossible for us to have spent $22M. Is we gave 8 guys $1.8M each, thats $14.4. If we gave the other 7 players a million each, thats $21.4.M, still short. Did we give Potter, Horn and Tow a million each? Its impossible
It does sound impossible, but guess what we will never know. There are only a handful of people who really know the real payroll numbers and they’re not talking! It’s not just Kentucky it’s everywhere.

The universities have a multitude of reasons to keep us all in the dark. I can only imagine how some of these coaches and administrators would look if we could actually compare roster payrolls!
 
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"outperforming his first year deal"

I mean listen. I like him. He's a good player. I think the longer he stays here, he can develop into a key piece moving forward but.............come on now lol.

Maybe I just have a bad perception of what exactly "worth" is in this NIL era. Yeah he may have been one of the lower paid guys but we had 22 million (apparently). It wasn't that he got paid too low. The other guys got paid too high. Especailly considering what other schools are doing with much less (again apparently) NIL funds.
People really don’t get how this works. “Blue bloods calling, he’s got suitors” = agents doing their job. The agents float rumors to make you react. He’s not that good no he’s not someone people are going to pay crazy money right now. This is agents.

He’s got the potential to be special as a junior if he progresses. That’s not right now.
 

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He has some of the worst hands I saw on a big this season. I love the kid. A kentucky kid but he isnt worth more than a Mil
I do not agree with this. But do think he got in a habit of one-handing rebounds and that cost him and was frustrating to watch.
 

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So let's go by some source materials (All NIL numbers are speculation without actual ledgers and tax documentation).


Dybantsa (4.1 million) is widely reported as the highest NIL deal

In a distant second place is Toppin at $2.8 million.
- There is no way Oweh, Lowe, or Aberdeen were paid $3 million (the discussion of potential worth no NIL deals is another issue).

Yaxel in 3rd at $2.3 million (But he said UK offered $7-$9 million right?)

Boggie in 4th at $2.1

Dent in 5th at $2 million (but I was told here on rafters we offered him $3 million and we paid J Lowe $3 million).

Finally our first Wildcat in 6th at $1.9 Million. So if our HIGHEST paid NIL player was $1.9 million and as you will see below, nobody else on UK is on the list above $1.7 million, the absolute MOST we could have spent is $25.5 (that's paying every single player on the roster $1.69 million and JQ $1.9 million including a walk on in NIL monies).

Again, without ledgers you can't get exact numbers. But we can explore rumors and some insiders knowledge of ball park numbers to get closer to a real number.

JQ - Going by above number reported by Fox - $1.9
Jasper - Multiple rumors saying he got in the neighborhood $1.1 million and a Tesla so let's be generous and go $1.2
Garrison - Been rumored he signed a 2 year $1.5 million deal last year, some say 2 year $3 mil, so split the difference (2.25 over 2 years) - $1.125
Noah - Heard several times it doubled from last year (From $250k to $500k) and he has outside JMI deals - $500k
Potter - Assume at best he got $250k but for sake of big numbers lets say $500k
Hawthorne - Assume at best he got $250k but for sake of big numbers lets say $500k
Jelavic - Haven't seen anywhere that he got even close a million so lets give him high end $750k
Williams - Haven't seen anywhere that his deal was close to a million either so high end $750k
Chandler - No indication he got a raise and was probably well under a million last year but lets be generous here - $1 million
Tow - No NIL deal, just happy to be there - $0k
Horn - No NIL deal, just happy to be there - $0k
Mo D - Rumors and speculations put Mo D around $1 million so let's be generous at $1.25
Moreno - Reports were he made significantly less NIL than several others on the team as he wasn't expected to play much year 1 but let's be generous here too and go $750k
Aberdeen - You can bet he didn't get $3 or even $2 million, so more likely in the $1.25 to $1.5 million range. We'll assume the next 3 average out to $1.5 each with some making more and some making less.
Oweh - See above, probably on the higher end of $1.5 million but less than $1.7
Lowe - See above, probably on the higher end of $1.5 million but less than $1.7

That's 16 players including the two walk ons and being fair about the money paid to them in real world numbers.
That comes out to $14.725 million (which I still think is on the high end of what we ACTUALLY paid) and sits firmly within that $13-$15 million I think we actually spent, not counting the two year deals we have been told multiple times do exist on this roster.

But it is what it is at the end of the day. We overspent on guys that didn't pan out and had a subpar season.
Those “NIL valuation” lists are just estimates of how much a player is actually worth in marketing deals, and are completely unrelated to what boosters may actually be paying them. It’s right there in the text of your link that Dybansta got at least $7 million and Toppin $4 million despite the much lower numbers beside their name on the list.

I don’t have any inside info about whether we actually spent exactly $22 million on this year’s roster, but those kind of lists are worthless for trying to figure that out. It’s entirely possible if not probable that we paid some of our guys more than what they’re technically worth.
 
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I agree. . . and so does the ability and willingness to construct the type of rosters that give a program the best chance to legitimately chase an NCAA Championship. If a coach is unwilling to do that, and has some other end point as his primary goal, whether he can coach or not still won’t matter.
 
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The obvious reason is the Florida operation being run better right now.

The less obvious reason is Malachi will probably make more next year than either of those guys, and generally bigger deals are harder to do.
Yes. This is correct.

Malachi Moreno will be in higher demand than those two guards. He is a top 10 center prospect going into next season.
 
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How many would be pining for his return if he wasn't a 5 star? I'll take him but not as the starter and not for big money. If a "blueblood" wants to pay him like that, then see ya.
 

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He was severly underpaid for his contributions this season. He tailed off towards the end, but he is a McDAA and did more than enough as a true freshman to command top value at a blue blood.

Poop better have his wallet ready. I don't want to hear we lowballed Malachi and then signed some ******* Belmont prospect for $1.5M.
 
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He was severly underpaid for his contributions this season. He tailed off towards the end, but he is a McDAA and did more than enough as a true freshman to command top value at a blue blood.

Poop better have his wallet ready. I don't want to hear we lowballed Malachi and then signed some ******* Belmont prospect for $1.5M.
Who gives a **** if he was a burger boy?