Worse case scenario for Mississippi State football
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Just like last off season you all are under estimating the talent level we have. Should things go extremely bad our floor is 5 and ceiling is 8 this year.
We'll win more than 2 and likely win 5-6, but if the stars align we could win 7. That said, I will have to see this staff win some games that matter before I will have any faith in them.
We may be overall better everywhere except the oline. The oline is potentially worse than last season. KT can do some special things with his legs, but he won’t last long if he’s running for his life every play. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
This time next year, Lebby will be an OC somewhere else. And if he isn't, we deserve the misery that comes with it.
Oh look it’s the resident think he knows it all with a smart *** GIF..
we are beter at guard we are equal to better at center. We return Steen who’s another year older and experienced at RT. We will be better at LT than we were last year.
Maybe. But for that to happen, almost all of the transfers are going to need to hit. Lebby's hit rate with transfers is like 15-20%.
I hope you’re just trolling and don’t truly believe this. We are flipping the line for the 3rd time in a year. Our portal haul is a bunch of inexperienced players. The only immediate help we pulled is ineligible. How is that miles better?
15 to 20%? Do tell how you got that number other than pulling it out of your ***. Is that just on OL or overall? Cause as bad as last year was in the OL. In spring of 25 no one here knew who Owens was or Jayvin James
Show your work. Tell me how we're going to be better. You were the one with the shltty take.
The one decent OL we picked up was ruled ineligible. And none of these guys has a track record in the SEC that you can draw from. The one guy you do have the balls to mention, Steen, was a 17n turnstile against Southern Miss until he got hurt. We actually got better there when he went down last year.
And who's coaching these guys? Oh yeah....that.
You need a new schtick.
Steen is back after injury Chester will start at guard or center was freshman all SEC at LSU at center in 24. McVay starter games at Alabama and at UNC. Prudhome is going to factor in at guard. Steen was a starter at UVA before transferring here unfortunate he got hurt first game but he’s got that year under his belt. We return Boone at center or guard. News flash Sneh wasn’t guaranteed the starting spot at LT. Mikes and Shumpert-Perkins have really improved since RS year last year.
I showed my work. Didn’t you predict 2-10 last year ? How that work out for you
Overall and yes i pulled it out of thin air. But you can tell me how many of the 80+ players Lebby brought in the past 2 years were *serviceable*. It's less than 20.
Throw year one portal cycled out the window. We had one of the worst NIl budgets in 23/24 in P4. Hell there were some G6 schools who had better NIL budgets than we did. Had to just pull whoever we could including jucos Most on here don’t want to admit this but our lack of NIL was a problem when it came to hiring coaches HC and assistants. Last year 24/25 portal cycle we were in a much better place and were able to get guys like BT ANT Whitson smith Reed Bledsoe Owens steen James Williams fluff and others. The 25/26 portal was a lot better(ranked 13th on this site) we finally had the NIL to compete. Still we have those in here that want to focus on who we didn’t get and not who we actually got. Kids develop players get better. We also improved our coaching staff and improved our budget. We are no longer last in the SEC in budget fo football
Winning a conference game is going to be an extremely difficult challenge for this team. The worst case scenario for this team will be losing to either UL Monroe or Tennessee Tech. Trying to beat Minnesota on the road at their place won't be easy, and trying to beat Mizzou or Vandy at home is another logistical nightmare as well. I honestly wish things were better for this team, but for things to be better it starts at the top.
It's not absurd. It's just not most likely. It's the floor. Which is what I said in the first place. I swear, you're one of the best at twisting people's words around and intentionally misrepresenting what they've said I've seen.
Pretty sure this was said last year. "Look good getting off the bus", etc. On the hoof
I'm not saying our line is going to be good. BUT its almost impossible for it not to be better than last year. There is reason for optimism. I'm not overly confident it will be significantly better but i am optimistic.
We need 7 to 8 guys to stay healthy and be slightly above average.
Didn't take into account any freshmen.
Returning
Canon Boone - returning starter
Steens being back will help
Wesley Davis has a ton of experience and will be in his 3rd year
TJ lockhart - mostly second team as a RFr last year
Transfers
DJ Chester - started all 13 games as a RFr at LSU. Played a ton last year at LSU but the line was a fruit basket turnover.
Miles Mcvay transfer with decent experience
Mario Nash - highly recruited
Ja'elyne Matthews - florida state transfer
Isaiah Dent - transfer from oklahoma
You said 2-10 was possible and i offered you 5 to 1 odds on it.
5 to 1 odds is pretty darn good, but you won't take it bc you know its absurd.
You know... I don't even want to know what the WORST case scenario is for MSU football. Everytime we set a worst case scenario for the team... at some time that is easily exceeded and a new one is set. Meaning that prediction was waaaay off the worst case scenario. And some where the pit of football hell awaits the fanbase that would love to have some of those "worst case scenarios" back.
I appreciate your positivity. The end of '25, lack of continuity at OL, questionable takes at back-up QB, combined with major whiffs at Edge and Tackle have left me with a sour taste. I just don't think Lebby knows how to run a college football program and we're going to limp along at 5-7/6-6 every year until he gets fired.
I mean, what does Lebby bring to the table that makes the misery of the past two seasons worth it? He has the personality of wet noodle. His offense isn't that unique anymore. His in-game management is a disaster. While he's improved the coaching staff, his initial hires were baffling. Where is the upside?
Everyone keeps penciling in Vandy as a best shot of a win. But are completely forgetting they are playing the NIL game muuuch better than MSU is and also has the best QB signee they ever had taking over. And this is behind an OL that is overflowing with seniors and 6th year players whom are a year of experience away from a 10 win season and finishing the regular season ranked #12.
About as well as your predictions worked.
We only beat two teams who didn't have a losing record for the year. And those two teams lost 11 games last year between them: Arizona State (5) and Southern Miss (6). And we all know that ASU win was pretty miraculous anyway. Alcorn, NIU, and Arkansas were horrid football teams, and we should have lost to Arkansas.
We had this same debate last year. You were saying we were a bowl team and we were "much improved across the board." We really weren't. We were actually worse on the OL. And didn't improve it, including the coaching.
And the incompetent guy is still in charge of all of it.
We'll be having the same discussion aGAIN next year, just like we did last year and the year before. I look forward to the gaslighting and baseless proclamations of improvement against all physical evidence to the contrary. It's become an annual tradition from you.
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I don’t see Lebby ever going 6-6. The officials gifted him a game so he could go 5-7 (Arkansas 191 penalty yards in second half). he’s a 4-8 coach.
No, you can't throw any portal cycle out the window. That's revisionist history given that you were here telling us how good that portal class was at the time. Now you're moving the goalposts.
This is what I mean by "show your work." Good work.
The transfers are largely unproven outside of Chester, and as you said, it's hard to get a read on him given the shape of LSU's line last year. As for the guys returning, they weren't worth a damn last year. I know we want to assume they will improve with a year of experience, but they aren't UPGRADES.
Your first sentence: "it's almost impossible for it to not be better than last year," was said last year too by folks on here. We've got the same OL coach and looking to rely on a core of the same guys.
Does any serious fanbase in the SEC or Big 10 have so many fans who bend over backwards to make excuses for sh*tty coaches losing and giving them mulligans for the first 1, 2 or even 3 years because they "have to give him time?" Of course not. Other schools are at least 17ing trying to win.
Well, 2 of those 3 teams were playoff teams. One beat Texas, the one that didn't make the playoffs beat Vanderbilt. So, not sure we'd have done any better against them than Minnesota did.
No they aren't. They just happened to hit on a lesser known QB and then paid HIM for the additional year. They are just doing rev share like everybody else, their alumni aren't going above and beyond. That's just everybody's default response every time a team does well.
Damn some of yall are ignorant